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This article has been cited in the Western Mail: [1], making it sound like original research. The claims in the article need to be referenced properly. Gareth 09:09, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
The main page claims it's fact, this is a complex event produced by a coincidence involving an earthquake, a meteor shower and poachers lights. It goes on to say, had a space body produced the 3.5 magnitude tremor it would have produced a visible crater. One word: "Tunguska!" The Tunguska event had an earthquake that dwarfed this one and still produced no crater. This is not to say that the objects in either case were space bodies. It could be said that some of the witnesses in both cases described objects that did not conform to more than phenomena. There's no facts! (User: Nosut 12:32, 20 March 2007)
The main page is titled the Berwyn Mountain Ufo Incident but doesn't mention what the witnesses claimed to of seen. At the web sight below you can listen to a witness by the name of Pat Evans, a local nurse. She claimed with her daughters, they saw a glowing orange ball. I think this should be stated on the main page. http://www.thewhyfiles.net/berwyn_mountain_Incident.html (User: Nosut 18:30, 23 March 2007)
"Lets see how many times Pat Evens is mentioned...UM....."Zero!" And now lets see how many times the author "Andy J. Roberts".. who saw nothing is mentioned........? "Six times!" "It's easier to miss something that was there, than it is to see something that wasn't. Pat Evens saw what she said she saw. (User Nosut 21:30 14/4/07).
With speculation removed what's left is something that has striking similarities to this event: http://www.iris.edu/news/IRISnewsletter/fallnews/senate.html I think this event should be mentioned on the main page for this reason. (User Nosut 1.05 23/12/07).
Alas the original version of this entry has been vandalized/POV'd to hell... if you want to reinstate it then please provide a better rationale than it's two years old. Skeptic2 ( talk) 19:48, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
The main page says:"The Berwyn Mountain Incident is the second most well known British "UFO crash", after the Rendlesham Forest Incident". Rendlesham Forest has never been known for any ufo crashes.
(User Nosut 18.51, 06.01.2010) ((UTC))
This documentary should be included on the main page: http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/5593/BBC__Britain_s_Closest_UFO_Encounters___Episode_1/
The eye witnesses from this documentary should also be mentioned on the main page:
Idris Roberts (Retired Postmaster), Adrian Roberts (Ritired Firefighter),Elfed Roberts (Former asst: Chief constable), Glyn Evans (Police officer), Pat Evans (Retired Nurse) and Geraint Edwards (Retired Game Keeper) (User Nosut 23.00, 19.01.2010) ((UTC))
Former assistant chief constable Elfed Roberts reported seeing an object that was green with a blue edge. It should be mentioned these appeare together in the nitrogen spectrum See: http://astro.u-strasbg.fr/~koppen/discharge/ Furthermore, it should also be mentioned that the U.S studied green ufo back in the 1940s under the name project twinkle. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_fireballs#Project_Twinkle
(User Nosut 19.10, 08.02.2010) ((UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nosut ( talk • contribs)
I'm adding this comment many decades after the event in 1974, it's now 27 Jan 2011. I detected the earthquake in 1974 many miles north of Liverpool in a costal town called Formby (this is the furthest point north from any other seismic reports). The event was featured on local TV (local interviews, national headlines etc.) and a day later there was a news black out for 3 to 4 days. I was studying for my A-levels at the time and was amazed by the news blackout after so much TV coverage on the first day. I remember talking to my Physics teacher who knew the area very well and he commented that a team of 20 people max could have searched the "hot" area in a day. We also heard the area had been closed off as official investigations were taking place. I can only assume that something highly significant occurred on the mountains that resulted in a news blackout and subsequent cover up. The news blackout was acknowledged as an issue several days later on the BBC news - I believe it was quoted on "John Cravens news round", he's currently on country file - maybe worth an interview again. Since then no news ever emerged about the incident and as I now work in the world of high tech science, IT and life science, I've never heard a wisper of what went on that night in 1974 (or days after). I will endeavor to discover more. - The doc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by thedoccom ( talk • contribs)
This is completely inappropriate for the article, but there may be some things here that could be used for sources. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:54, 4 March 2015 (UTC) NOTE this is for collecting actual potentially usable sources WP:RS NOT a list of every crackpot UFO conspiracy theorist website. Inappropriate additions subject to removal. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 17:02, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
UFO-related TV shows and UFO-related books are mostly sensational and not likely to be reliable, so I've trimmed this list to sources that have a good chance of being be objective and independent of the subject. Any tabloids should be further subtracted from this list. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 13:57, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
References
"The only people who ever came close to actually seeing the UFO land was a guy called Mike Saville who features in Richard D. Hall's documentary on the event ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwVYZ--bcz8), Mike's wife and the parents of the son who farms as a neighbour to Mike Saville, one Llion Pritchard................ The district nurse Pat Evans who is mentioned in the link you supplied ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGxVpQC42oI) saw it whilst on the ground. Mrs Evans and her two accompanying daughters have always been credited with discovering the UFO. With the exception of the Evans family, the Saville's and the Pritchards, not one single person in Llandrillo or any other neighbouring village saw that UFO arrive or land. Everyone else offered up second hand information." - Scott Felton (Scott L. Felton)
Scott is the leading no-nonsese investigator of this incident and his latest writings on the topic can be read here: http://fierycelt.tripod.com/berwynsufo/
The excellent new documentary on the topic with Mr. Felton can be viewed here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwVYZ--bcz8
And a radio interview with Mr. Felton on this topic can be listen to here in four parts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VPNKC-G3M4
The Great Operation Photoflash UFO Hoax Pt 1 25 Jan 15: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zErH3s0dveo
The Great Operation Photoflash UFO Hoax Pt 1(a) - The Tony Dodd Connection 08/Feb/15.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgLLbSnA9CY
Excellent book ( https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/21198406-link-to-the-stars). I only purchased this book for its two chapters on the Berwyn Mountain Incident of 23rd January 1974 in Wales. Chapter 11 is by Margaret Fry (Margaret-Ellen Fry) and Chapter 12 is by Scott Felton (Scott L. Felton). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.99.24.204 ( talk) 15:40, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
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Wiki purists probably will delet this, but anyway... here i go. I dont want to be rude, but this is an ultra pro-government view. The nurse and other testimonies speak clearly of an object. They are even not mentioned ( obscured?). I could change something but allways there is a technic trick to deny changes. This adds points to conspiracy markets. It is not so dificult to include balance and open, complementary views. -- 81.39.50.38 ( talk) 22:26, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
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This article has been cited in the Western Mail: [1], making it sound like original research. The claims in the article need to be referenced properly. Gareth 09:09, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
The main page claims it's fact, this is a complex event produced by a coincidence involving an earthquake, a meteor shower and poachers lights. It goes on to say, had a space body produced the 3.5 magnitude tremor it would have produced a visible crater. One word: "Tunguska!" The Tunguska event had an earthquake that dwarfed this one and still produced no crater. This is not to say that the objects in either case were space bodies. It could be said that some of the witnesses in both cases described objects that did not conform to more than phenomena. There's no facts! (User: Nosut 12:32, 20 March 2007)
The main page is titled the Berwyn Mountain Ufo Incident but doesn't mention what the witnesses claimed to of seen. At the web sight below you can listen to a witness by the name of Pat Evans, a local nurse. She claimed with her daughters, they saw a glowing orange ball. I think this should be stated on the main page. http://www.thewhyfiles.net/berwyn_mountain_Incident.html (User: Nosut 18:30, 23 March 2007)
"Lets see how many times Pat Evens is mentioned...UM....."Zero!" And now lets see how many times the author "Andy J. Roberts".. who saw nothing is mentioned........? "Six times!" "It's easier to miss something that was there, than it is to see something that wasn't. Pat Evens saw what she said she saw. (User Nosut 21:30 14/4/07).
With speculation removed what's left is something that has striking similarities to this event: http://www.iris.edu/news/IRISnewsletter/fallnews/senate.html I think this event should be mentioned on the main page for this reason. (User Nosut 1.05 23/12/07).
Alas the original version of this entry has been vandalized/POV'd to hell... if you want to reinstate it then please provide a better rationale than it's two years old. Skeptic2 ( talk) 19:48, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
The main page says:"The Berwyn Mountain Incident is the second most well known British "UFO crash", after the Rendlesham Forest Incident". Rendlesham Forest has never been known for any ufo crashes.
(User Nosut 18.51, 06.01.2010) ((UTC))
This documentary should be included on the main page: http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/5593/BBC__Britain_s_Closest_UFO_Encounters___Episode_1/
The eye witnesses from this documentary should also be mentioned on the main page:
Idris Roberts (Retired Postmaster), Adrian Roberts (Ritired Firefighter),Elfed Roberts (Former asst: Chief constable), Glyn Evans (Police officer), Pat Evans (Retired Nurse) and Geraint Edwards (Retired Game Keeper) (User Nosut 23.00, 19.01.2010) ((UTC))
Former assistant chief constable Elfed Roberts reported seeing an object that was green with a blue edge. It should be mentioned these appeare together in the nitrogen spectrum See: http://astro.u-strasbg.fr/~koppen/discharge/ Furthermore, it should also be mentioned that the U.S studied green ufo back in the 1940s under the name project twinkle. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_fireballs#Project_Twinkle
(User Nosut 19.10, 08.02.2010) ((UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nosut ( talk • contribs)
I'm adding this comment many decades after the event in 1974, it's now 27 Jan 2011. I detected the earthquake in 1974 many miles north of Liverpool in a costal town called Formby (this is the furthest point north from any other seismic reports). The event was featured on local TV (local interviews, national headlines etc.) and a day later there was a news black out for 3 to 4 days. I was studying for my A-levels at the time and was amazed by the news blackout after so much TV coverage on the first day. I remember talking to my Physics teacher who knew the area very well and he commented that a team of 20 people max could have searched the "hot" area in a day. We also heard the area had been closed off as official investigations were taking place. I can only assume that something highly significant occurred on the mountains that resulted in a news blackout and subsequent cover up. The news blackout was acknowledged as an issue several days later on the BBC news - I believe it was quoted on "John Cravens news round", he's currently on country file - maybe worth an interview again. Since then no news ever emerged about the incident and as I now work in the world of high tech science, IT and life science, I've never heard a wisper of what went on that night in 1974 (or days after). I will endeavor to discover more. - The doc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by thedoccom ( talk • contribs)
This is completely inappropriate for the article, but there may be some things here that could be used for sources. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:54, 4 March 2015 (UTC) NOTE this is for collecting actual potentially usable sources WP:RS NOT a list of every crackpot UFO conspiracy theorist website. Inappropriate additions subject to removal. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 17:02, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
UFO-related TV shows and UFO-related books are mostly sensational and not likely to be reliable, so I've trimmed this list to sources that have a good chance of being be objective and independent of the subject. Any tabloids should be further subtracted from this list. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 13:57, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
References
"The only people who ever came close to actually seeing the UFO land was a guy called Mike Saville who features in Richard D. Hall's documentary on the event ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwVYZ--bcz8), Mike's wife and the parents of the son who farms as a neighbour to Mike Saville, one Llion Pritchard................ The district nurse Pat Evans who is mentioned in the link you supplied ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGxVpQC42oI) saw it whilst on the ground. Mrs Evans and her two accompanying daughters have always been credited with discovering the UFO. With the exception of the Evans family, the Saville's and the Pritchards, not one single person in Llandrillo or any other neighbouring village saw that UFO arrive or land. Everyone else offered up second hand information." - Scott Felton (Scott L. Felton)
Scott is the leading no-nonsese investigator of this incident and his latest writings on the topic can be read here: http://fierycelt.tripod.com/berwynsufo/
The excellent new documentary on the topic with Mr. Felton can be viewed here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwVYZ--bcz8
And a radio interview with Mr. Felton on this topic can be listen to here in four parts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VPNKC-G3M4
The Great Operation Photoflash UFO Hoax Pt 1 25 Jan 15: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zErH3s0dveo
The Great Operation Photoflash UFO Hoax Pt 1(a) - The Tony Dodd Connection 08/Feb/15.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgLLbSnA9CY
Excellent book ( https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/21198406-link-to-the-stars). I only purchased this book for its two chapters on the Berwyn Mountain Incident of 23rd January 1974 in Wales. Chapter 11 is by Margaret Fry (Margaret-Ellen Fry) and Chapter 12 is by Scott Felton (Scott L. Felton). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.99.24.204 ( talk) 15:40, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
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Wiki purists probably will delet this, but anyway... here i go. I dont want to be rude, but this is an ultra pro-government view. The nurse and other testimonies speak clearly of an object. They are even not mentioned ( obscured?). I could change something but allways there is a technic trick to deny changes. This adds points to conspiracy markets. It is not so dificult to include balance and open, complementary views. -- 81.39.50.38 ( talk) 22:26, 27 October 2018 (UTC)