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This quote is not enormous, but not all of it is needed. If we can cut an essay down to a quote, we can cut a quote down to only what's strictly needed. I see you already agree with me to cut the part where Acocella quotes the title. We agree because that bit of the quote is redundant with the rest of the WP article. Since we dispute the rest, let's look at the distinct parts of the quote:
We agree that the first line is necessary. Acocella is cited to show the general consensus of many. Not Acocella's own opinion, but an objective report. Good. The next sentence, "Tolkien preferred…," simply restates the first sentence of the overview: Tolkien had objections to critics. Tolkien talks about how the monsters are critical. His title holds them in contrast to each other, implying that one is higher in his regard. I don't see how this isn't plainly repeating information from earlier in the article. The third sentence, "In his view…" again says the same thing as the "Overview" part of the article. "In his view" isn't needed. "the meaning . . . had been ignored" isn't needed. "in favor of…" isn't needed. All of these parts come up in the Overview. And that's the overview. We don't need this citation--this quote--at the end just to establish that one person actually said things that are plain facts. You say "no, really, this is her opinion"--so which is the opinion? Is "Tolkien preferred" her opinion? Is "his view" her opinion? She notes both things to be objective fact, with no markers that these parts are subjective or original.
Furthermore, if you want to invite me to the talk page, Chiswick Chap, don't just revert my careful, intentional, clearly-described edit and then tell me to go to the Talk page. Come on.-- Akhenaten0 ( talk) 15:50, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
Beowulf: The Monsters and the Critics has been listed as one of the
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This quote is not enormous, but not all of it is needed. If we can cut an essay down to a quote, we can cut a quote down to only what's strictly needed. I see you already agree with me to cut the part where Acocella quotes the title. We agree because that bit of the quote is redundant with the rest of the WP article. Since we dispute the rest, let's look at the distinct parts of the quote:
We agree that the first line is necessary. Acocella is cited to show the general consensus of many. Not Acocella's own opinion, but an objective report. Good. The next sentence, "Tolkien preferred…," simply restates the first sentence of the overview: Tolkien had objections to critics. Tolkien talks about how the monsters are critical. His title holds them in contrast to each other, implying that one is higher in his regard. I don't see how this isn't plainly repeating information from earlier in the article. The third sentence, "In his view…" again says the same thing as the "Overview" part of the article. "In his view" isn't needed. "the meaning . . . had been ignored" isn't needed. "in favor of…" isn't needed. All of these parts come up in the Overview. And that's the overview. We don't need this citation--this quote--at the end just to establish that one person actually said things that are plain facts. You say "no, really, this is her opinion"--so which is the opinion? Is "Tolkien preferred" her opinion? Is "his view" her opinion? She notes both things to be objective fact, with no markers that these parts are subjective or original.
Furthermore, if you want to invite me to the talk page, Chiswick Chap, don't just revert my careful, intentional, clearly-described edit and then tell me to go to the Talk page. Come on.-- Akhenaten0 ( talk) 15:50, 24 November 2014 (UTC)