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A March 2015 notice claims that the article "relies too much on references to primary sources". However, out the 19 references, 18 are from books and one from Amrita Bazar Patrika, one of the leading English newspapers published during those times, all of which are secondary sources. Clearly, the claim is invalid, so I'll remove this notice. BengaliHindu ( talk) 13:32, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- Akhil Bharatiya Itihash Sankalan Samiti aka
ABISY is a cohort of lunatic fringes who seek to rewrite history from a Hindu-nationalist perspective.
- Not reliable.
- Radical Books/Impressions and Sribhumi seem to be yet another of the gazillion street-presses over India. No indication of peer review or being entertained by acclaimed authors.
- Not reliable.
- Shila Sen's book is a travesty of scholarship. Riddled with factual errors, undue emphasis, self-contradictions and what not.
- Not reliable.
Best, ∯WBG converse 08:29, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
- Accordingly, the NPOV tag, as well.
∯WBG
converse 08:30, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
- Winged Blades of Godric, I've removed the references from ABISY and the street presses. Large portions of the article were already uncited and the removal leaves most of it without any references. For the time being, I've tagged these portions with the "citation needed" template.
- There is another problem in that, there is no explicit mention of a "Bengali Hindu Homeland Movement" in the reliable sources that do exist in the article. Searching for the term on the internet barely produces any results, there is only one reliable source that uses the specific term as a brief note, where it is qualified as a pro-partition group alongside the Muslim League, the nature and extent of the movement is however unclear. (Shams, Tahseen (2020). Here, There, and Elsewhere: The Making of Immigrant Identities in a Globalized World. Stanford University Press. ISBN 978-1-5036-1284-6.) Other than this, the term only appears in self-published sources or in deprecated sources such as OpIndia ( RSP entry) and Swarajya ( RSP entry). Some of the reliable sources that exist in the article suggest that the idea of a movement to "secure a homeland for Hindus" was presented by a provincial council of the fringe Hindu Mahasabha.
- This gives me the impression that this might actually be a historical revisionist hoax, made up by ABISY (and reproduced through street presses) by conflating the idea with communal tensions preceding the partition to give an impression that such a mass movement existed. The sheer lack of any reliable sources on a mass movement of the scale described in the article points to that. I've tagged it with a possible hoax template.
Tayi Arajakate
Talk 06:22, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- Seeing as there is no further comments on this, I've redirected the page to Hindu Mahasabha. Tayi Arajakate Talk 21:31, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
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| This is the
talk page of a
redirect that targets the page: • Hindu Mahasabha Because this page is not frequently watched, present and future discussions, edit requests and requested moves should take place at: • Talk:Hindu Mahasabha |
A March 2015 notice claims that the article "relies too much on references to primary sources". However, out the 19 references, 18 are from books and one from Amrita Bazar Patrika, one of the leading English newspapers published during those times, all of which are secondary sources. Clearly, the claim is invalid, so I'll remove this notice. BengaliHindu ( talk) 13:32, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- Akhil Bharatiya Itihash Sankalan Samiti aka
ABISY is a cohort of lunatic fringes who seek to rewrite history from a Hindu-nationalist perspective.
- Not reliable.
- Radical Books/Impressions and Sribhumi seem to be yet another of the gazillion street-presses over India. No indication of peer review or being entertained by acclaimed authors.
- Not reliable.
- Shila Sen's book is a travesty of scholarship. Riddled with factual errors, undue emphasis, self-contradictions and what not.
- Not reliable.
Best, ∯WBG converse 08:29, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
- Accordingly, the NPOV tag, as well.
∯WBG
converse 08:30, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
- Winged Blades of Godric, I've removed the references from ABISY and the street presses. Large portions of the article were already uncited and the removal leaves most of it without any references. For the time being, I've tagged these portions with the "citation needed" template.
- There is another problem in that, there is no explicit mention of a "Bengali Hindu Homeland Movement" in the reliable sources that do exist in the article. Searching for the term on the internet barely produces any results, there is only one reliable source that uses the specific term as a brief note, where it is qualified as a pro-partition group alongside the Muslim League, the nature and extent of the movement is however unclear. (Shams, Tahseen (2020). Here, There, and Elsewhere: The Making of Immigrant Identities in a Globalized World. Stanford University Press. ISBN 978-1-5036-1284-6.) Other than this, the term only appears in self-published sources or in deprecated sources such as OpIndia ( RSP entry) and Swarajya ( RSP entry). Some of the reliable sources that exist in the article suggest that the idea of a movement to "secure a homeland for Hindus" was presented by a provincial council of the fringe Hindu Mahasabha.
- This gives me the impression that this might actually be a historical revisionist hoax, made up by ABISY (and reproduced through street presses) by conflating the idea with communal tensions preceding the partition to give an impression that such a mass movement existed. The sheer lack of any reliable sources on a mass movement of the scale described in the article points to that. I've tagged it with a possible hoax template.
Tayi Arajakate
Talk 06:22, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- Seeing as there is no further comments on this, I've redirected the page to Hindu Mahasabha. Tayi Arajakate Talk 21:31, 24 October 2021 (UTC)