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FTA: "The gin crisis was gin-uinely severe. "
I think that this sentence is pretty unprofessional, but I'm not certain on whether or not it should be removed/altered.
Aaron (
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I highly respect the hard work that went into creating the various Hogarth articles, including this one. However I have the following reservations: The tone shifts to being inappropriate, and being too much like scholarly articles (against policy). Lack on inline citation, and over reliance on general references. Too much detail in the main article, should be split off into separate articles. Overly grandiose quotations (borderline Peacock terms), suggest a non-neutral Point of View. Lack of art terms, such as "Line of Beauty", the term is Contrapposto which Hogarth did not invent. Lack of artistic comparisons, lack of contemporary views. Formatting of box quotes, and quotes is off putting. Overreliance on only a handful of scholars, there should be a greater number of words and authors from which to cite from. In short, the Hogarth topic needs extensive work. Zidel333 ( talk) 15:46, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
There are several references in this article to the prosperity of Beer Street (represented by the woman in the sedan chair) being the causing poverty of Gin Lane. This isn't an interpretation I've heard before, and the article itself doesn't explain this. Would someone who knows more about this interpretation be willing to put some more detailed explanations in? Wardog ( talk) 10:35, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
The sign being painted by the ragged painter contains a caption that reads "Health to the Barley Mow." Around this barley mow a group of jovial (but not drunken) villagers dance--and upon it is one man drinking a tankard of frothy beer. Beer is made of barley. Gin is made of, ummm, something else. If it does have barley in it at all, the most prominent ingredient would still be juniper berries---in which case they would more likely be dancing around a juniper tree.
This is not a sign advertising gin, but one advertising beer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hank Cooke ( talk • contribs) 21:44, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
The little placard is advertising not gin, but a range of distilled spirits - above his paint brushes I can read "CALVAD" for calvados, a French apple brandy, especially popular in Normandy, and also below his paint brushes, "RUM". Not sure about the other letters, but it seems to me that the implication is that moderate consumption of a variety of distilled spirits is just as normal, just as English, as drinking beer - still true, to this day. The (poor, ragged, perhaps like Hogarth) artist is admiring his representation in the painted diagram of the bottle receiving the distillate, painted from life - the spirits bottle he has suspended from the sign's support. Hence his pleased smile. Gin is distilled from grain, like many other spirits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arvwdrenth ( talk • contribs) 15:11, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
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I presume that "Clean straw for nothing" means something to lie down on after getting too drunk. But are there more reasons for Hogarth to write this? For example, why do they have such a supply of clean straw that they permanently advertise it, being in a city as opposed to on a farm? Did distillers do their own threshing? TooManyFingers ( talk) 15:21, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
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FTA: "The gin crisis was gin-uinely severe. "
I think that this sentence is pretty unprofessional, but I'm not certain on whether or not it should be removed/altered.
Aaron (
talk) 03:05, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I highly respect the hard work that went into creating the various Hogarth articles, including this one. However I have the following reservations: The tone shifts to being inappropriate, and being too much like scholarly articles (against policy). Lack on inline citation, and over reliance on general references. Too much detail in the main article, should be split off into separate articles. Overly grandiose quotations (borderline Peacock terms), suggest a non-neutral Point of View. Lack of art terms, such as "Line of Beauty", the term is Contrapposto which Hogarth did not invent. Lack of artistic comparisons, lack of contemporary views. Formatting of box quotes, and quotes is off putting. Overreliance on only a handful of scholars, there should be a greater number of words and authors from which to cite from. In short, the Hogarth topic needs extensive work. Zidel333 ( talk) 15:46, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
There are several references in this article to the prosperity of Beer Street (represented by the woman in the sedan chair) being the causing poverty of Gin Lane. This isn't an interpretation I've heard before, and the article itself doesn't explain this. Would someone who knows more about this interpretation be willing to put some more detailed explanations in? Wardog ( talk) 10:35, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
The sign being painted by the ragged painter contains a caption that reads "Health to the Barley Mow." Around this barley mow a group of jovial (but not drunken) villagers dance--and upon it is one man drinking a tankard of frothy beer. Beer is made of barley. Gin is made of, ummm, something else. If it does have barley in it at all, the most prominent ingredient would still be juniper berries---in which case they would more likely be dancing around a juniper tree.
This is not a sign advertising gin, but one advertising beer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hank Cooke ( talk • contribs) 21:44, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
The little placard is advertising not gin, but a range of distilled spirits - above his paint brushes I can read "CALVAD" for calvados, a French apple brandy, especially popular in Normandy, and also below his paint brushes, "RUM". Not sure about the other letters, but it seems to me that the implication is that moderate consumption of a variety of distilled spirits is just as normal, just as English, as drinking beer - still true, to this day. The (poor, ragged, perhaps like Hogarth) artist is admiring his representation in the painted diagram of the bottle receiving the distillate, painted from life - the spirits bottle he has suspended from the sign's support. Hence his pleased smile. Gin is distilled from grain, like many other spirits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arvwdrenth ( talk • contribs) 15:11, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
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I presume that "Clean straw for nothing" means something to lie down on after getting too drunk. But are there more reasons for Hogarth to write this? For example, why do they have such a supply of clean straw that they permanently advertise it, being in a city as opposed to on a farm? Did distillers do their own threshing? TooManyFingers ( talk) 15:21, 17 March 2024 (UTC)