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Can someone please add a photo that includes a bedbug and a familiar object like a matchhead? It's difficult to get an idea of the size and scale of these things. http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2009/sep/08/bedbugs-biting-again/?photos Like this but a more international because many don't know the size of a US Dime. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.72.44.116 ( talk) 18:01, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
I just removed a link, added questionably as a reference, to "thebedbugresource.com", which redirects a visitor to another site which, not only has a somewhat suspicious URL but (according to Google) hosts malware. – Clockwork Soul 22:39, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
I revised and cited a reliable source and it was maliciously deleted by Ohnoitsjamie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.29.57.230 ( talk) 17:43, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
I don't agree with the comment about blogs not being reliable sources. Some blogs host comments by known professionals in the area who are authorities and those comments are very valuable. a fixation on peer reviewed publications is nonsensical as there are many reliable sources and some of these are blogs. Anecdotal information is also useful if it describes specific situations that are certainly possible even if not in a peer reviewed publication. HYou don't have to be NY Times or JAMA to know what you are talking about. Sometimes these "reliable sources" can be downright ignorant if they have not checked the facts. ~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.206.33.120 ( talk) 01:02, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
The text "...diatomaceous earth as an environmentally friendly non-toxic insecticide to which the bedbugs cannot develop a resistance" cannot be correct. Of course they can develop a resistance to this! All that needs to happen is that a partly ineffective treatment allows the stronger to survive and breed and thus produce offspring that will tend to be more resistant than the previous population. Repeating this over many generations would produce resistance. I think the sentence should be limited to "...diatomaceous earth as an environmentally friendly non-toxic insecticide". But finally, I think this also needs a citation. Mgwalker ( talk) 20:49, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
the possibility of some resistance to DE or silica gel is not the usual resistance either at cellular or behavioural levels, but there have been reports of resistant bed bugs actuallhy having thicker exoskeletons which could confer some potential resistance to DE or SG, but so far no researcher has ever reported a strain that survives DE or SG, though there may be some differences... both SG and DE act in a mechanical fashion, though some formulations do have pyrethrins in the material which help to kill by the contact the dusts enable. 173.206.33.120 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:06, 28 September 2010 (UTC).
Neither of these approaches is a good idea. Bleach is very irritating and has very little if any residual action.. Baking soda is useless.
for self help, there are a lot of other things you can do.. vacuuming , steam treatment, (some steamers are very reasonable in price.. handhelds are USELESS. ) DE used carefully in outlets and cracks and crevices, not as a dust everywhere.. not good for anyone..
buy some leg protectors and matress and box spring encasements, and get a good professional firm to do the heavy duty stuff.. 173.206.33.120 ( talk) I wonder if spraying Clorox on infested areas will kill them. Anyone try it? I'm going to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.133.253.21 ( talk • contribs) 19:04, 12 April 2010
(Part of the WikiProject Medicine effort)
More references are needed here for general background. Some suggestions are the following:
Verification of the current public health threat is needed. For example, see: Goddard J, DeShazo R "Bed bugs (Cimex lectularius) and clinical consequences of their bites" JAMA 2009; 301: 1358-1366.
The photo on “traumatic insemination” seems odd.
The section Names, under the heading Bites, would fit better in this section.
More general references are needed. References 6 and 7 seem like primary references and should be replaced. Reference 7 is broken.
Under feeding habits, general references are needed. See: http://www.ag.ndsu.nodak.edu/aginfo/entomology/entupdates/Indoor_pest/bed_bug.htm
http://extension.entm.purdue.edu/publichealth/insects/bedbug.html
Certain numerical facts need to be verified. Some of these can be found in the general references noted above.
More references are needed here as well. See: http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1088931-overview
http://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/slideshow-bedbugs
Part of this section reads like guesses as to why bed bug bites look a certain way, without any supporting citations.
Statistics are also given with no supporting references.
Besides the above references already provided, these also talk about treatments for bed bug bites:
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/bedbugs/DS00663/DSECTION=treatments-and-drugs
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1088931-treatment
Heat as a treatment is discussed with speculation and no supporting references. This does not add anything to the article as provided.
The statement: Therefore bedbugs are less dangerous than some more common insects such as the
flea. Is subjective and not worthy of inclusion here.
As mentioned above, the section on Names should be moved up to the Biology section.
The section on Names is redundant.
More references are needed. Some sentences again seem speculative and only opinion without proper citation. (e.g., Bedbugs thrive in places with high occupancy, such as
hotels). Eliminated
Yakushima (
talk) 16:13, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
More statistics without proper citation in this section.
Under Global resurgence, it would be interesting to have a brief summary on the EPA’s National Bed Bug Summit from 2009.
Reference 32 is in Hebrew. Eliminated.
Yakushima (
talk) 04:51, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
More general references are needed here as well. See: http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/2000/2105.html
How to disinfect needs verification.
The sentence: The result of a recurrent bedbug infestation can prove dispiriting, disheartening, demoralizing, and even depressing to households that may have already gone great lengths (in expense, labor, treatment, containment measures, lost furniture, etc.) to try and contain an infestation. is an opinion and should be removed.
Statistics provided here have no supporting citations (numbers of bedbugs and infestations, etc.).
Bed bug nesting sites are discussed at length, but with NO citations at all.
The invertebrate zoology of these insects needs to be formally referenced.
Discussion of bite patterns is redundant with what was discussed above in the section on Bites.
I agree that there is too much opinion in this section that should be made more general and citations provided.
The section ===Domestic treatment=== could go under ===Control and elimination===.
Sanitizing procedures and other strategies for control, barriers, and elimination need to be verified.
This section is obvious and all the points have really been mentioned at one point or another in the rest of the text.
Questionable original research here, at least in one instance: Szalanski, Allen L., James W. Austin, Jackie A. McKern, C. Dayton Steelman, and Roger E. Gold. 2008.Mitochondrial and Ribosomal Internal Transcribed Spacer 1 Diversity of Cimex lectularius (Hemiptera: Cimicidae). Journal of Medical Entomology 45(2): 229–236.
BSW BV ( talk) 18:26, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
I have eliminated the guide on travelling: As exposed by the reviewer it was quite obvious, most info was already in article and was quite unencyclopedic. Additionally it was completely written as a "how to guide.
In addition I have eliminated the "current research section": It was more than 4 paragraphs on how 2 US universities study bugs. I am quite sure that there are many, many, many biologists studying bugs along the world so this was simply to give undue weight to a non notable study. If current research is going to be talked about lests find a secondary, high-quality source that talks about how the study of bugs is interesting for the world.
I have eliminated the New York section per excessive American bias (only city that is talked about). At most it should be summarized and integrated into the US paragraph. Since it did not have any citations I leave it here for future integration. New York City has experienced increased cases of bedbug infestations since the early 2000s, with some reported citation needed in hotels, schools, and hospitals. In 2004, New York City had 377 bedbug violations citation needed. However, in the five-month span from July to November 2005, 449 violations were reported in the city, an increase in infestations over a short period of time citation needed. Some domestic cases have escalated to extreme levels, causing residents to label the infestations "house herpes" citation needed. Exterminators and entomologists who? blame the infestations on the fact that so many international travelers visit New York City each day.
Bests.-- Garrondo ( talk) 17:55, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
I've seen 2 black and white —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.173.73 ( talk) 07:42, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
This section appears to be a huge temptation to newbies to violate WP:NOTHOW. There is already a ton of how-to information available on the Web; if anything, this article links to too much of it, rather than not enough. Yakushima ( talk) 14:52, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
We need to have this section added back and done properly. Need is similar to "Diagnosis and Treatment" section for diseases or medical problems. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.228.195.86 ( talk) 13:14, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
It has been proposed at Wikipedia talk:Invitation to edit that, because of the relatively high number of IP editors attracted to Bedbug, it form part of a one month trial of a strategy aimed at improving the quality of new editors' contributions to health-related articles. It would involve placing this:
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at the top of the article, linking to this mini-tutorial about MEDRS sourcing, citing and content, as well as basic procedures, and links to help pages. Your comments regarding the strategy are invited at the project talk page, and comments here, regarding the appropriateness of trialling it on this article, would be appreciated. Anthony ( talk) 12:03, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
If this page is getting edits that are "helpful, but inappropriate" (e.g., practical advice), it might be helpful to create a brief WP:Editnotice that explains the one or two most important concepts (e.g., "Wikipedia is not a manual on how to kill bedbugs, so...") WhatamIdoing ( talk) 16:54, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
How about the differences between tobacco, marijuana, and incense? 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
What if one brought in the lawn mower and had it run until it ran out of gas, leaving the building for several hours, and then opened all doors and windows for a few more hours? 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Company or person gets 20 of them, attaches 10 to outlets, the other ends going outdoors; such in turn are attached to cords going indoors, each attached to a space heater. Turning all on, pulling cords apart if the temperature of one space gets too high. Have such run for about 8 hours, using less than $40 worth of electricity. 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
What if a room was sealed and a few bricks of dry ice were left in such for a few 10’s of hours? 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Would bedbugs drink blood if it was place in a dish (and such blood had anti-coagulants and maybe a poison mixed in)? 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Are they resistant to bedbugs? Or for that matter, mosquitoes and other parasites? 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
What if one released 50 spiders per room? Say wolf spiders (or some other roving spiders? What if one left once house open—doors and windows—for a week? 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
DEET or non-DEET repellants? 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Would the lecithin counter the effects of the bedbug’s anticoagulant? 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
How well do, say, blacks compare, to say, redheads? Is the current paranoia about bedbugs as much as white conceit as would be, say, paranoia about skin cancer due to sun exposure? In all the articles, commentaries, and reports of the bedbug “invasion,” “epidemic,” and “pandemic,” have any of them made by black reporters, columnists, and commentators? If so, are their reports more sane and proportionate? 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
What if light levels in one’s bedroom was always bright? What if one slept under, say, 4-40 watt fluorescent tubes from less than 1.5 meters (while wearing eye covers)? 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
If bedbugs are like “house herpes” are there any confidential agencies, like dating clubs, were people can make connections to others who have also have bedbugs, and are thus not afraid to visit each others’ homes and apartments to watch TV together, have dinner parties, slumber parties, bring stuff over, give away clothes—all the things they used to do before the paranoia? 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
What are the top 10 cities for bedbugs? 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
I understand that in some parts of Africa, the malaria is so bad, that DDT is allowed for household uses (as opposed to farming). What are the bedbug (and other insect) reports there? 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
How much would one be paid? 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Disease free and supposedly high in iron. Any hallucinogenic properties, or medicinal benefits? 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Why don’t female bedbugs have genitalia, if presumable male bedbugs do? Is the article implying that male bedbug genitalia can piece a small insect’s exoskeleton? 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
How much of a role is this playing? 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
“The bedbug’s got no tail at all, but he gets there just the same.” 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Much there is I can stand. Most things not easy to suffer I bear with quiet resolve, just as a God commands it. Only a few things I find as repugnant as snakes and poison. These four: tobacco smoke, bedbugs and garlic and Christ. Epigram 60.
The X-Files Lenny: Good night, sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite. No, no, that's... that's not what I meant... I... I didn't mean to imply that we had bedbugs... I... I meant to say don't let... don't let the... Mulder: The 'Fiji Mermaids' bite? Lenny: Yes, that's right... The 'Fiji Mermaids'...
Russian proverbs Мал клоп, да воню́ч. Transliteration: Mal klop, da vonyuch. Translation: Bedbug [might be] small, but [definitely is] stinky. Moral: Even if that guy looks innocent/vulnerable, you better don't fool around with him, as you likely won't enjoy the outcome. 205.189.194.208 ( talk) 18:30, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
Such could a useful article for such readers. 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Liquid carbon dioxide released from a pressurized container into the atmosphere could freeze insects and their eggs on contact, which may kill them. An enterprise in Secaucus, New Jersey, claims success in killing bedbugs.
We now are providing bed bug extermination with the new treatment from Europe called Cryonite®.
The initial idea for this unique method of pest control - elemination of insects and their eggs through freezing instead of poison - was concieved by Per-Åke Hallberg, M.Sc, and biologist Bertil Eliasson, B.Sc, in 1996. Cryonite® is covered by extensive patent protection and the company owns all the intellectual property related to the technology.
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I won't bother further with it as I'm 12 time zones from NYC, nor do I have a CO2 extinguisher to play with. -- Pawyilee ( talk) 12:51, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
I would like to propose we reorganize the content per WP:MEDMOS. Our readers are more interested in the health implications than they are regarding the biology of this creature. Thus I would like to move much of this content to Bedbug bite leaving the information on biology here. A topic which is similarly laid out is Hepatitis B and Hepatitis B virus. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 06:46, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
I was just reading this article in the New York Times. This is about the 3rd time I have randomly seen something in the news about bed bug complaints skyrocketing. Since the NYT article is more of a human interest story about a conference, I thought I'd turn to Wikipedia for more information about the hysteria or epidemic or whatever it is.
There have been several articles about this but we don't really cover it well in this article.-- Jimbo Wales ( talk) 23:42, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
We've indicated that Diatomaceous Earth is effective as a form of treatment. I'm wondering if we should also add that it can be dangerous if inhaled. I realize this isn't supposed to be a "how to" article, but I fear people will see this and begin spreading DE around the house thinking it's a quick fix. Thoughts? JoelWhy ( talk) 19:18, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
Inorganic materials such as silica gel, boric acid, and diatomaceous earth will provide long-term control, provided they are used in an environment with low humidity. These inorganic materials have very low repellency, a long residual life, and can provide good control if thoroughly applied to cracks and crevices. However, they are typically white in color and may leave the surface of items with an undesirable film unless they are carefully applied. [1]
I attempted to organize the page around the layout here [2] but the guidelines do not seem that clear. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 08:39, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Wondering if we should merge infestation into bedbug bite and they or only referred to infestation in the setting were they are feeding on people. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 08:52, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Planning on combining the history sections summarizing them and creating a subarticle much like I did with epidemiology. Comments? Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 08:52, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I changed the text from 'attack' to 'feeding' as from the insect's perspective that is all they are doing, part of their life-cycle. 'Attack' is an anthropocentric perspective, not an ecological one; if any editor can think of a better word than 'feeding' or 'attack', please change the text! Ta, Mondegreen de plume ( talk) 13:56, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
Should we move this page to Cimicidae? Than have bedbug either redirect to a disambig page or Bedbug infestation as the infestation is the meaning that people are usually looking for rather than an in depth discussion of the insect itself. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 18:15, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi, Since the only species fully adapted to humans hence living is beds is Cimex lectularius I think the name "BedBug" referring only to him and not the entire family. 192.115.235.2 ( talk) 09:31, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
It's spelled both ways in this article--we should pick one and stick with it. According this entomology blog it should be "bed bug" but AP Style Guide says it should be "bedbug". (Yes, I know, blogs are not reliable sources and I'm not proposing that we cite this blog in the article.) A pubmed.org search finds slightly more articles when searching on "bed bug" than "bedbug", however searching using the plurals yields the opposite result. My vote would be "bed bug" based on the entomological tradition described in the blog linked above. Yilloslime T C 18:16, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
I have a site about Bed Bug Bites. I won't post the link on the external link section. But I just want to know if it is BedBug or Bed Bug so I can properly write it. 190.210.126.153 ( talk) 16:18, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Someone who knows should elaborate on the manner in which bedbugs leave their pheromone "food trails" during nocturnal explorations. Do they dart about, as ants do? Do they proceed in straight lines to a detected food source? When disturbed, do they scurry for cover? While they cluster in colonies, are there designated drones who explore outside the nesting area? Also, some recognition signals for the "musty" smell of bed bug scat and the shape of molt would be useful. Nice photograph of a molted nymph, by the way...hope I never see one. As the season is nearly upon us again, and in many parts of the country already is, we should be proactively watchful for the little bloodsuckers and be able to distinguish them from other, related, species. Keep those dimensions and good photos coming. Genehisthome ( talk) 04:53, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi everyone. I'd like to establish consensus for automatic archiving of this talk page by Miszabot (see details). This talk page has grown huge, and I don't think we have a human willing to archive it regularly (any volunteers?). I propose the following parametres:
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This means the bot will archive all threads with all responses older than 62 days, with one exception: at least four threads must always remain. The threads will be archived at Talk:Bed bug/Archive 1, until it's filled with 70 k, the bot shall then move on to Talk:Bed bug/Archive 2 and so on. Puchiko ( Talk- email) 17:17, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
This is silly "The bed bug, bed-bug, or bedbug" and does not belong in the lead. Maybe in a section at the end per WP:DUE. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 20:45, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
We should have the common name "bed bug" and the scientific name in the lead. Different spellings and most of the slang should be moved to lower in the article IMO. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 22:04, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
I revised and cited a reliable source and it was maliciously deleted by Ohnoitsjamie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.29.57.230 ( talk) 17:43, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
I don't agree with the comment about blogs not being reliable sources. Some blogs host comments by known professionals in the area who are authorities and those comments are very valuable. a fixation on peer reviewed publications is nonsensical as there are many reliable sources and some of these are blogs. Anecdotal information is also useful if it describes specific situations that are certainly possible even if not in a peer reviewed publication. HYou don't have to be NY Times or JAMA to know what you are talking about. Sometimes these "reliable sources" can be downright ignorant if they have not checked the facts. ~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.206.33.120 ( talk) 01:02, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
This needs to be expanded.
Can someone please add a photo that includes a bedbug and a familiar object like a matchhead? It's difficult to get an idea of the size and scale of these things. http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2009/sep/08/bedbugs-biting-again/?photos Like this but a more international because many don't know the size of a US Dime. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.72.44.116 ( talk) 18:01, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
The picture of the dog is soooo cute! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.109.119.78 ( talk) 15:08, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
The statement at the beginning of the article "that prefer to feed on human blood" contradicts later statement "Most species feed on humans only when other prey are unavailable". These cannot both be true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.244.170.114 ( talk) 00:25, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
reviews since I last looked. A couple are free and I should have access to the others.
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I have done my own experiments and found a way to kill bed bugs cheap and fast. (solutions brand fabric refresher original cent odor eliminator.....generic for febreese..... will kill them on contact) and prevent them from coming back if you use it every day for at least 3 weeks. hope this helps you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.128.150.77 ( talk) 15:18, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
To make the section about dehydration more readable. I suggest adding takes 16 days at 0 humidity and no blood access to kill female adults. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SaberW ( talk • contribs) 18:22, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
Less powerful insecticides? An increase of travelers bringing them back to country of origin? In the past 30 years immigration has reversed from 70% British/European, 30% developing countries to the opposite. Travelers? Bullshit. A convenient word for immigrants. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.235.150.226 ( talk) 11:39, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
The term "psychological effects" of bed-bug infection is mentioned multiple times, but never explained. Can someone be more specific? 70.24.109.179 ( talk) 03:12, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
http://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f138 Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 14:02, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Why was the paragraph on B. bassiana removed? It seems relevant and well sourced. There are plenty of secondary sources if that's a concern. Kendall-K1 ( talk) 02:38, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Does WP:MEDRS apply here? I do think the fungus merits a mention. Given the preliminary nature of the research I put in a single sentence with disclaimer and left out the photo. Kendall-K1 ( talk) 13:15, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
You seem unwilling to discuss so I'll just leave it as-is. Kendall-K1 ( talk) 00:26, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
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Can someone please add a photo that includes a bedbug and a familiar object like a matchhead? It's difficult to get an idea of the size and scale of these things. http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2009/sep/08/bedbugs-biting-again/?photos Like this but a more international because many don't know the size of a US Dime. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.72.44.116 ( talk) 18:01, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
I just removed a link, added questionably as a reference, to "thebedbugresource.com", which redirects a visitor to another site which, not only has a somewhat suspicious URL but (according to Google) hosts malware. – Clockwork Soul 22:39, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
I revised and cited a reliable source and it was maliciously deleted by Ohnoitsjamie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.29.57.230 ( talk) 17:43, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
I don't agree with the comment about blogs not being reliable sources. Some blogs host comments by known professionals in the area who are authorities and those comments are very valuable. a fixation on peer reviewed publications is nonsensical as there are many reliable sources and some of these are blogs. Anecdotal information is also useful if it describes specific situations that are certainly possible even if not in a peer reviewed publication. HYou don't have to be NY Times or JAMA to know what you are talking about. Sometimes these "reliable sources" can be downright ignorant if they have not checked the facts. ~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.206.33.120 ( talk) 01:02, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
The text "...diatomaceous earth as an environmentally friendly non-toxic insecticide to which the bedbugs cannot develop a resistance" cannot be correct. Of course they can develop a resistance to this! All that needs to happen is that a partly ineffective treatment allows the stronger to survive and breed and thus produce offspring that will tend to be more resistant than the previous population. Repeating this over many generations would produce resistance. I think the sentence should be limited to "...diatomaceous earth as an environmentally friendly non-toxic insecticide". But finally, I think this also needs a citation. Mgwalker ( talk) 20:49, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
the possibility of some resistance to DE or silica gel is not the usual resistance either at cellular or behavioural levels, but there have been reports of resistant bed bugs actuallhy having thicker exoskeletons which could confer some potential resistance to DE or SG, but so far no researcher has ever reported a strain that survives DE or SG, though there may be some differences... both SG and DE act in a mechanical fashion, though some formulations do have pyrethrins in the material which help to kill by the contact the dusts enable. 173.206.33.120 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:06, 28 September 2010 (UTC).
Neither of these approaches is a good idea. Bleach is very irritating and has very little if any residual action.. Baking soda is useless.
for self help, there are a lot of other things you can do.. vacuuming , steam treatment, (some steamers are very reasonable in price.. handhelds are USELESS. ) DE used carefully in outlets and cracks and crevices, not as a dust everywhere.. not good for anyone..
buy some leg protectors and matress and box spring encasements, and get a good professional firm to do the heavy duty stuff.. 173.206.33.120 ( talk) I wonder if spraying Clorox on infested areas will kill them. Anyone try it? I'm going to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.133.253.21 ( talk • contribs) 19:04, 12 April 2010
(Part of the WikiProject Medicine effort)
More references are needed here for general background. Some suggestions are the following:
Verification of the current public health threat is needed. For example, see: Goddard J, DeShazo R "Bed bugs (Cimex lectularius) and clinical consequences of their bites" JAMA 2009; 301: 1358-1366.
The photo on “traumatic insemination” seems odd.
The section Names, under the heading Bites, would fit better in this section.
More general references are needed. References 6 and 7 seem like primary references and should be replaced. Reference 7 is broken.
Under feeding habits, general references are needed. See: http://www.ag.ndsu.nodak.edu/aginfo/entomology/entupdates/Indoor_pest/bed_bug.htm
http://extension.entm.purdue.edu/publichealth/insects/bedbug.html
Certain numerical facts need to be verified. Some of these can be found in the general references noted above.
More references are needed here as well. See: http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1088931-overview
http://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/slideshow-bedbugs
Part of this section reads like guesses as to why bed bug bites look a certain way, without any supporting citations.
Statistics are also given with no supporting references.
Besides the above references already provided, these also talk about treatments for bed bug bites:
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/bedbugs/DS00663/DSECTION=treatments-and-drugs
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1088931-treatment
Heat as a treatment is discussed with speculation and no supporting references. This does not add anything to the article as provided.
The statement: Therefore bedbugs are less dangerous than some more common insects such as the
flea. Is subjective and not worthy of inclusion here.
As mentioned above, the section on Names should be moved up to the Biology section.
The section on Names is redundant.
More references are needed. Some sentences again seem speculative and only opinion without proper citation. (e.g., Bedbugs thrive in places with high occupancy, such as
hotels). Eliminated
Yakushima (
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More statistics without proper citation in this section.
Under Global resurgence, it would be interesting to have a brief summary on the EPA’s National Bed Bug Summit from 2009.
Reference 32 is in Hebrew. Eliminated.
Yakushima (
talk) 04:51, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
More general references are needed here as well. See: http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/2000/2105.html
How to disinfect needs verification.
The sentence: The result of a recurrent bedbug infestation can prove dispiriting, disheartening, demoralizing, and even depressing to households that may have already gone great lengths (in expense, labor, treatment, containment measures, lost furniture, etc.) to try and contain an infestation. is an opinion and should be removed.
Statistics provided here have no supporting citations (numbers of bedbugs and infestations, etc.).
Bed bug nesting sites are discussed at length, but with NO citations at all.
The invertebrate zoology of these insects needs to be formally referenced.
Discussion of bite patterns is redundant with what was discussed above in the section on Bites.
I agree that there is too much opinion in this section that should be made more general and citations provided.
The section ===Domestic treatment=== could go under ===Control and elimination===.
Sanitizing procedures and other strategies for control, barriers, and elimination need to be verified.
This section is obvious and all the points have really been mentioned at one point or another in the rest of the text.
Questionable original research here, at least in one instance: Szalanski, Allen L., James W. Austin, Jackie A. McKern, C. Dayton Steelman, and Roger E. Gold. 2008.Mitochondrial and Ribosomal Internal Transcribed Spacer 1 Diversity of Cimex lectularius (Hemiptera: Cimicidae). Journal of Medical Entomology 45(2): 229–236.
BSW BV ( talk) 18:26, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
I have eliminated the guide on travelling: As exposed by the reviewer it was quite obvious, most info was already in article and was quite unencyclopedic. Additionally it was completely written as a "how to guide.
In addition I have eliminated the "current research section": It was more than 4 paragraphs on how 2 US universities study bugs. I am quite sure that there are many, many, many biologists studying bugs along the world so this was simply to give undue weight to a non notable study. If current research is going to be talked about lests find a secondary, high-quality source that talks about how the study of bugs is interesting for the world.
I have eliminated the New York section per excessive American bias (only city that is talked about). At most it should be summarized and integrated into the US paragraph. Since it did not have any citations I leave it here for future integration. New York City has experienced increased cases of bedbug infestations since the early 2000s, with some reported citation needed in hotels, schools, and hospitals. In 2004, New York City had 377 bedbug violations citation needed. However, in the five-month span from July to November 2005, 449 violations were reported in the city, an increase in infestations over a short period of time citation needed. Some domestic cases have escalated to extreme levels, causing residents to label the infestations "house herpes" citation needed. Exterminators and entomologists who? blame the infestations on the fact that so many international travelers visit New York City each day.
Bests.-- Garrondo ( talk) 17:55, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
I've seen 2 black and white —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.173.73 ( talk) 07:42, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
This section appears to be a huge temptation to newbies to violate WP:NOTHOW. There is already a ton of how-to information available on the Web; if anything, this article links to too much of it, rather than not enough. Yakushima ( talk) 14:52, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
We need to have this section added back and done properly. Need is similar to "Diagnosis and Treatment" section for diseases or medical problems. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.228.195.86 ( talk) 13:14, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
It has been proposed at Wikipedia talk:Invitation to edit that, because of the relatively high number of IP editors attracted to Bedbug, it form part of a one month trial of a strategy aimed at improving the quality of new editors' contributions to health-related articles. It would involve placing this:
You can edit this page. Click here to find out how.
at the top of the article, linking to this mini-tutorial about MEDRS sourcing, citing and content, as well as basic procedures, and links to help pages. Your comments regarding the strategy are invited at the project talk page, and comments here, regarding the appropriateness of trialling it on this article, would be appreciated. Anthony ( talk) 12:03, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
If this page is getting edits that are "helpful, but inappropriate" (e.g., practical advice), it might be helpful to create a brief WP:Editnotice that explains the one or two most important concepts (e.g., "Wikipedia is not a manual on how to kill bedbugs, so...") WhatamIdoing ( talk) 16:54, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
How about the differences between tobacco, marijuana, and incense? 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
What if one brought in the lawn mower and had it run until it ran out of gas, leaving the building for several hours, and then opened all doors and windows for a few more hours? 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Company or person gets 20 of them, attaches 10 to outlets, the other ends going outdoors; such in turn are attached to cords going indoors, each attached to a space heater. Turning all on, pulling cords apart if the temperature of one space gets too high. Have such run for about 8 hours, using less than $40 worth of electricity. 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
What if a room was sealed and a few bricks of dry ice were left in such for a few 10’s of hours? 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Would bedbugs drink blood if it was place in a dish (and such blood had anti-coagulants and maybe a poison mixed in)? 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Are they resistant to bedbugs? Or for that matter, mosquitoes and other parasites? 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
What if one released 50 spiders per room? Say wolf spiders (or some other roving spiders? What if one left once house open—doors and windows—for a week? 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
DEET or non-DEET repellants? 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Would the lecithin counter the effects of the bedbug’s anticoagulant? 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
How well do, say, blacks compare, to say, redheads? Is the current paranoia about bedbugs as much as white conceit as would be, say, paranoia about skin cancer due to sun exposure? In all the articles, commentaries, and reports of the bedbug “invasion,” “epidemic,” and “pandemic,” have any of them made by black reporters, columnists, and commentators? If so, are their reports more sane and proportionate? 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
What if light levels in one’s bedroom was always bright? What if one slept under, say, 4-40 watt fluorescent tubes from less than 1.5 meters (while wearing eye covers)? 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
If bedbugs are like “house herpes” are there any confidential agencies, like dating clubs, were people can make connections to others who have also have bedbugs, and are thus not afraid to visit each others’ homes and apartments to watch TV together, have dinner parties, slumber parties, bring stuff over, give away clothes—all the things they used to do before the paranoia? 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
What are the top 10 cities for bedbugs? 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
I understand that in some parts of Africa, the malaria is so bad, that DDT is allowed for household uses (as opposed to farming). What are the bedbug (and other insect) reports there? 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
How much would one be paid? 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Disease free and supposedly high in iron. Any hallucinogenic properties, or medicinal benefits? 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Why don’t female bedbugs have genitalia, if presumable male bedbugs do? Is the article implying that male bedbug genitalia can piece a small insect’s exoskeleton? 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
How much of a role is this playing? 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
“The bedbug’s got no tail at all, but he gets there just the same.” 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Much there is I can stand. Most things not easy to suffer I bear with quiet resolve, just as a God commands it. Only a few things I find as repugnant as snakes and poison. These four: tobacco smoke, bedbugs and garlic and Christ. Epigram 60.
The X-Files Lenny: Good night, sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite. No, no, that's... that's not what I meant... I... I didn't mean to imply that we had bedbugs... I... I meant to say don't let... don't let the... Mulder: The 'Fiji Mermaids' bite? Lenny: Yes, that's right... The 'Fiji Mermaids'...
Russian proverbs Мал клоп, да воню́ч. Transliteration: Mal klop, da vonyuch. Translation: Bedbug [might be] small, but [definitely is] stinky. Moral: Even if that guy looks innocent/vulnerable, you better don't fool around with him, as you likely won't enjoy the outcome. 205.189.194.208 ( talk) 18:30, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
Such could a useful article for such readers. 70.54.181.70 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Liquid carbon dioxide released from a pressurized container into the atmosphere could freeze insects and their eggs on contact, which may kill them. An enterprise in Secaucus, New Jersey, claims success in killing bedbugs.
We now are providing bed bug extermination with the new treatment from Europe called Cryonite®.
The initial idea for this unique method of pest control - elemination of insects and their eggs through freezing instead of poison - was concieved by Per-Åke Hallberg, M.Sc, and biologist Bertil Eliasson, B.Sc, in 1996. Cryonite® is covered by extensive patent protection and the company owns all the intellectual property related to the technology.
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I won't bother further with it as I'm 12 time zones from NYC, nor do I have a CO2 extinguisher to play with. -- Pawyilee ( talk) 12:51, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
I would like to propose we reorganize the content per WP:MEDMOS. Our readers are more interested in the health implications than they are regarding the biology of this creature. Thus I would like to move much of this content to Bedbug bite leaving the information on biology here. A topic which is similarly laid out is Hepatitis B and Hepatitis B virus. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 06:46, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
I was just reading this article in the New York Times. This is about the 3rd time I have randomly seen something in the news about bed bug complaints skyrocketing. Since the NYT article is more of a human interest story about a conference, I thought I'd turn to Wikipedia for more information about the hysteria or epidemic or whatever it is.
There have been several articles about this but we don't really cover it well in this article.-- Jimbo Wales ( talk) 23:42, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
We've indicated that Diatomaceous Earth is effective as a form of treatment. I'm wondering if we should also add that it can be dangerous if inhaled. I realize this isn't supposed to be a "how to" article, but I fear people will see this and begin spreading DE around the house thinking it's a quick fix. Thoughts? JoelWhy ( talk) 19:18, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
Inorganic materials such as silica gel, boric acid, and diatomaceous earth will provide long-term control, provided they are used in an environment with low humidity. These inorganic materials have very low repellency, a long residual life, and can provide good control if thoroughly applied to cracks and crevices. However, they are typically white in color and may leave the surface of items with an undesirable film unless they are carefully applied. [1]
I attempted to organize the page around the layout here [2] but the guidelines do not seem that clear. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 08:39, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Wondering if we should merge infestation into bedbug bite and they or only referred to infestation in the setting were they are feeding on people. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 08:52, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Planning on combining the history sections summarizing them and creating a subarticle much like I did with epidemiology. Comments? Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 08:52, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I changed the text from 'attack' to 'feeding' as from the insect's perspective that is all they are doing, part of their life-cycle. 'Attack' is an anthropocentric perspective, not an ecological one; if any editor can think of a better word than 'feeding' or 'attack', please change the text! Ta, Mondegreen de plume ( talk) 13:56, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
Should we move this page to Cimicidae? Than have bedbug either redirect to a disambig page or Bedbug infestation as the infestation is the meaning that people are usually looking for rather than an in depth discussion of the insect itself. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 18:15, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi, Since the only species fully adapted to humans hence living is beds is Cimex lectularius I think the name "BedBug" referring only to him and not the entire family. 192.115.235.2 ( talk) 09:31, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
It's spelled both ways in this article--we should pick one and stick with it. According this entomology blog it should be "bed bug" but AP Style Guide says it should be "bedbug". (Yes, I know, blogs are not reliable sources and I'm not proposing that we cite this blog in the article.) A pubmed.org search finds slightly more articles when searching on "bed bug" than "bedbug", however searching using the plurals yields the opposite result. My vote would be "bed bug" based on the entomological tradition described in the blog linked above. Yilloslime T C 18:16, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
I have a site about Bed Bug Bites. I won't post the link on the external link section. But I just want to know if it is BedBug or Bed Bug so I can properly write it. 190.210.126.153 ( talk) 16:18, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Someone who knows should elaborate on the manner in which bedbugs leave their pheromone "food trails" during nocturnal explorations. Do they dart about, as ants do? Do they proceed in straight lines to a detected food source? When disturbed, do they scurry for cover? While they cluster in colonies, are there designated drones who explore outside the nesting area? Also, some recognition signals for the "musty" smell of bed bug scat and the shape of molt would be useful. Nice photograph of a molted nymph, by the way...hope I never see one. As the season is nearly upon us again, and in many parts of the country already is, we should be proactively watchful for the little bloodsuckers and be able to distinguish them from other, related, species. Keep those dimensions and good photos coming. Genehisthome ( talk) 04:53, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi everyone. I'd like to establish consensus for automatic archiving of this talk page by Miszabot (see details). This talk page has grown huge, and I don't think we have a human willing to archive it regularly (any volunteers?). I propose the following parametres:
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This means the bot will archive all threads with all responses older than 62 days, with one exception: at least four threads must always remain. The threads will be archived at Talk:Bed bug/Archive 1, until it's filled with 70 k, the bot shall then move on to Talk:Bed bug/Archive 2 and so on. Puchiko ( Talk- email) 17:17, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
This is silly "The bed bug, bed-bug, or bedbug" and does not belong in the lead. Maybe in a section at the end per WP:DUE. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 20:45, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
We should have the common name "bed bug" and the scientific name in the lead. Different spellings and most of the slang should be moved to lower in the article IMO. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 22:04, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
I revised and cited a reliable source and it was maliciously deleted by Ohnoitsjamie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.29.57.230 ( talk) 17:43, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
I don't agree with the comment about blogs not being reliable sources. Some blogs host comments by known professionals in the area who are authorities and those comments are very valuable. a fixation on peer reviewed publications is nonsensical as there are many reliable sources and some of these are blogs. Anecdotal information is also useful if it describes specific situations that are certainly possible even if not in a peer reviewed publication. HYou don't have to be NY Times or JAMA to know what you are talking about. Sometimes these "reliable sources" can be downright ignorant if they have not checked the facts. ~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.206.33.120 ( talk) 01:02, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
This needs to be expanded.
Can someone please add a photo that includes a bedbug and a familiar object like a matchhead? It's difficult to get an idea of the size and scale of these things. http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2009/sep/08/bedbugs-biting-again/?photos Like this but a more international because many don't know the size of a US Dime. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.72.44.116 ( talk) 18:01, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
The picture of the dog is soooo cute! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.109.119.78 ( talk) 15:08, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
The statement at the beginning of the article "that prefer to feed on human blood" contradicts later statement "Most species feed on humans only when other prey are unavailable". These cannot both be true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.244.170.114 ( talk) 00:25, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
reviews since I last looked. A couple are free and I should have access to the others.
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I have done my own experiments and found a way to kill bed bugs cheap and fast. (solutions brand fabric refresher original cent odor eliminator.....generic for febreese..... will kill them on contact) and prevent them from coming back if you use it every day for at least 3 weeks. hope this helps you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.128.150.77 ( talk) 15:18, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
To make the section about dehydration more readable. I suggest adding takes 16 days at 0 humidity and no blood access to kill female adults. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SaberW ( talk • contribs) 18:22, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
Less powerful insecticides? An increase of travelers bringing them back to country of origin? In the past 30 years immigration has reversed from 70% British/European, 30% developing countries to the opposite. Travelers? Bullshit. A convenient word for immigrants. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.235.150.226 ( talk) 11:39, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
The term "psychological effects" of bed-bug infection is mentioned multiple times, but never explained. Can someone be more specific? 70.24.109.179 ( talk) 03:12, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
http://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f138 Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 14:02, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Why was the paragraph on B. bassiana removed? It seems relevant and well sourced. There are plenty of secondary sources if that's a concern. Kendall-K1 ( talk) 02:38, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Does WP:MEDRS apply here? I do think the fungus merits a mention. Given the preliminary nature of the research I put in a single sentence with disclaimer and left out the photo. Kendall-K1 ( talk) 13:15, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
You seem unwilling to discuss so I'll just leave it as-is. Kendall-K1 ( talk) 00:26, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
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