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Without a reliable ref for the title, I think this is automatically an AFD (as in an admin will come and nominate it). Just a heads up to the contributer(s) of the aticle. Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 08:34, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
The official airdate and episode description has now been released, should the page be recreated? -- TheLeft orium 18:50, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
I know I should correct them myself, but I thought I'd bring it here first. The first I noticed was that it states the survivors, Juliet, and the Kahana crew all go to the hatch, then move forward in time, then Daniel begins to compare the events to a record. This is not true. As they're heading to the Swan, Sawyer stops everything to ask for a shirt, then demands Daniel explain, to which he compares it to a record. Another mistake I noticed was the mention of the Swan being "rebuilt", which is also not true. It isn't "rebuilt", they've just once again traveled back in time.
I also wanted to ask if, in the sentence where it states Locke was approached by Richard, it should mention that he "has to die" in order to convince the Oceanic 6 to return. In addition, should the mention of the Others not moving through time be included in that sentence, rather than being tacked on to the first sentence in that paragraph? -- H E L LØ Ŧ H E R E 00:28, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
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I will review the article sometime later today or tomorrow. Thanks, Ruby2010 talk 03:30, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
To the GA reviewer: Sorry that you had to see this. Seriously, though, it's a cheesy tv ep summary...aren't there more deserving articles to look at?
Anyhoo. Best wishes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.120.81.30 ( talk) 00:02, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
This guy must get points for style? Or at least a special mention for his demonstration of dedication to the Marvin Candle Appreciation Society? That Ole' Cheesy Dude ( Talk to the hand!) 00:21, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
" Congratulations! On behalf of the DeGroots, Alvar Hanso, and all of us at the DHARMA Initiative, thank you, namaste, and... good luck." igordebraga ≠ 02:26, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
I'll come back to the reception section in an hour or so and complete the review. Thanks, Ruby2010 talk 20:56, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
Did those, though I'm not so sure if my rewrite of the sentence in the third bullet point is good enough; anything else? igordebraga ≠ 00:35, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
You folks getting in a ridiculous edit war over a small sensible edit from an IP, going so far as to lock the article, should be ashamed of yourselves. 68.73.84.231 ( talk) 09:46, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Listen.... In the LOST mythology, there are two irregularly recurring elements that are always highly awaited. An appearance by the Smoke Monster and a new Orientation Video. Both of these elements have some of the most talked about mysteries attached to them. They are major features slavered over by the fans when they happen For the Smoke Monster, people speculate on just what it is, and exactly what it's purpose is intended to be.
The Orientation Video has several mysteries tied to it. They slowly answer the exact nature of the Dharma Initiative, They provide insight into the nature of the island....I believe that the most intense speculation centres around the Narrator of these videos. Dr Marvin Candle? Dr Wickmund? Dr Halliwax? Three different men who look the same? Three different time periods? What about the missing arm on one version of the Narrator? Just what is the deal with Dr. Marvin Candle?
So, in one moment, a major part of that is revealed. Dr. Pierre Chaing is PURPOSELY lying about his name! A major story point hidden in a small moment.
So I gave it five words to illustrate that this moment exists. "calling himself Dr. Marvin Candle,"
That I have to explain this small addition is lamentable. I had to spend 300 words and a dozen efforts to make a small germaine, true, verifiable and brief edit in a place where I am not only allowed to add my two cents, but actively encouraged to do so. By the way: You know why Sawyer "believes" that Desmond is in the hatch? Because he is! It's not belief, it's knowledge. I initially tried to edit that because I thought there was a word count limit and I was trying to squeeze my thought in. Really, though, it is incorrect. 190.9.202.5 ( talk) 15:53, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Right. Well, I'll continue to edit every episode from here on in with completely accurate information, being as terse as possible. Someone seems to be a little overly fond of their editing abilities. This seems to be unreasonable and seemingly purposely obtuse. What is the use of an open source encylcopedia if you are not allowed to include pertinent info? So, here we go. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.69.94.50 ( talk) 22:48, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Maybe when it comes to episode summaries, we should just cut-and-paste the official episode summaries from the official website then, to avoid situations like this. And pretty much only allow cosmetic edits after that. For example, when a bone is broken and protruding thru the skin, then in medical terminology it is a Compound Fracture, like what Locke had in that one episode, that JackyBoy chose to make such a big deal over. Whippletheduck ( talk) 01:27, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Hmm...Hadn't checked back in since my initial salient points. I see that the PTBs continue to feel attacked by their unwillingness to accept additions. Tell me, "How'sItGoin", what would you accept as 100% proof that it is a big part of the interest of the fan base? I CAN say that the information is VERY important to a large cross section. Looking at fan boards and the like would do that. Is this not research though? An' Whipple? Keep 'em flying, brother. 79.129.13.254 ( talk) 13:31, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Sounds like your getting a little paranoid here, JackieBoy. First off, nearly all my edits that I do on Wikipedia are about LOST, if you want to check my CONTRIB log, and while I visit almost every page imaginable to the show, I rarely look at the TALK pages, which is why I am so late in chiming in on this subject. And generally speaking, I do like your episode summaries. Like any fan of the show (and I bet I am just as into the show as you are) I don't usually view the episode summaries as much as I should and normally concentrate on characters and show issues (ie, the others or mythology). Sorry to see you are being as paranoid as you are, that is not my intent, but if we are both LOST fan's, we better get used to each other ;).
To what DemonHog said, OK, I did not know that, but we can certainly make sure that whatever we enter into the Episode Summary page is as "close" to what ABC put's up as possible. After that, obviously, I think that when you see an episode where a character falls and a bone protrudes from the leg, then you medically have a compound fracture, and WEBMD can back that up, yet someone else (won't say name for now) saw fit to start an edit war for something so trivial....... Well that is all I have to quack about for now. Whippletheduck ( talk) 01:07, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Thought it would be good to see a conversation going on outside the Discussion Page. Be well.
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Thanks so much for the note. The info I added seems to be constructive and concise. It briefly expands on the story of the season and the episode. I am not experimenting, though it's gratifying to know that there is a process for experimentation. All the best.
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Because You Left, you may be blocked from editing. Also as a side note, although you feel the information is "constructive and concise" it has been decided by the community that the information should not be added. --HELLØ ŦHERE 02:38, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
Interesting to know. Could you describe "the community" to me a little more, as it seems somewhat insular. I have noted in the "comments" section that this has been debated....Seemingly there is not a consensus. I am saddened by a looming decision to ban alterations. Just below where I type, it states that information must be verifiable. This addition clearly meets that criterion. Also, the use of the word "Vandalize" seems to mean, to some, "Things That I Don't Like" which would not be how I would define the word. Thanks for your note. Best wishes.
Still here. I can wait. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.120.81.30 ( talk) 23:34, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
This being the latest round. Important to stay above board, donchaknow.
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The recent edit you made to Because You Left constitutes vandalism, and has been reverted. Please do not continue to vandalize pages; use the sandbox for testing. Thank you. Bped1985 (talk) 00:51, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Accurate, terse, not inflammatory, and innocuous...."vandalism"? Graffito, maybe....social commentary, perhaps. Any reader wouldn't even be nonplussed by the words. Vandalism? Vandalism, here, only means that someone doesn't like it. Seriously, again...FOUR WORDS. Message away, kids. It's been three years. I assume I'll die in another ten. I merely want to add one small piece of info. Who is the august body that decides on four words, again?
Please do not vandalize pages, as you did with this edit to Because You Left. If you continue to do so, you will be blocked from editing. Bped1985 (talk) 00:59, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Didn't vandalize ( and what does 'vandalize' mean to you? I would say I 'enhanced'...at least 'adorned'! Give me adorned! Spangled? Glittered? ). and your threat of being blocked is toothless. You can close the page, I guess...for the umpteenth time. Ultimately, you'll open it. I'll be there...and I'll add the germane info again. Let the undisputed info stay, I'll disappear, and you'll never have to listen to my unreasonable blather again. I refer you to the other two dozen times I argued for the four words.
Seriously? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.132.125 ( talk) 07:42, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
Don't call me Shirley. Or Marvin Candle. You might not be a vandal, but you're a very persistent and disruptive idiot who insists on putting useless information on what's supposed to be a short summary for years and years. STOP! @ 24.84.132.125: igordebraga ≠ 05:00, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
Man, I feel terrible....It's been in longer than it's been out and it's four words. Namecalling is for suckers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.132.125 ( talk) 06:07, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
Four words that don't have any difference to how the episode or the series as a whole unfolds. Which is what plot summaries are supposed to have. Brevity is... wit. And name-calling is the only way to ensure you're listening, @ 24.84.132.125:. igordebraga ≠ 15:14, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
Not very adult though. I've been listening since the beginning. I just don't agree.... Until next time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.87.50.86 ( talk) 20:20, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
To ensure this Lame edit war ends (if you're still there, of course): this is a wiki built on consensus. If you can deliver a good argument besides "it's only four harmless words" as to why the Marvin Candle tidbit is a truly relevant information required to understand the events of that episode, we'll let the thing stay. Your move. igordebraga ≠ 16:44, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Hello there. This is from THAT guy. I missed this. I would like to try. Here goes.....
I am not confident that this is the FIRST series to have the audience as active participants in the story outside of the show, but I think it remains the apex of this idea. The show actively coaxed a large part of the audience into looking up books, checking ancient history, learning cryptography and cartography, and researching famed philosophers. It became a multimedia platform. The two Exec Producers dropped hints on their own weekly podcast, There were weird clips, there were websites with clues to...er....something sponsored by the show. Etc.
The viewer, should she wish to watch on that level, became a de facto character in the LOST world. The actual characters on the show knew that there were weird mysteries on the Island, but weren't privy to some that the show provided for the FolksAtHome. This inspired, with the Show's encouragement, thousands of fan theories to make sense of things. The show traded on this.
I agree that when Pierre Chang appears on screen, it impacts none of the characters, really. They're most interested in surviving But this is the first time We have seen things from the perspective of a character who understands exactly what he is doing. The first time we see Dharma functioning "business as usual" in it's formative days. This is a major development for the show. The blinds are starting to fall away. So we meet Chang and his real name- then Chang steps in front of the camera and calmly gives a fake name. A thousand theories fall, and one big fact appears. Dharma is purposely manufacturing a mystery. They purposely didn't make sense. They're messing with people. It's part of the gag. This immediately shows the I-Guy character (Us) that this might be the answer to all the other incongruities as well. It doesn't add up....because that's how they wanted it.
Now, it is in my opinion, that on THIS show, with all of this extra content and focus on fan participation, that this moment is a major plot point. I think the show provided it as a pressure-release valve....because they couldn't pay everything off. Whether this is is true or not, this moment is SPECIFICALLY highlighted as the FIRST thing in the wind down seasons to show that some of the mysteries may just be there to be mysteries. Wikipedia is not designed to cater to fictional characters, it's designed for folks to access info quickly. This is quick. I think it deserves four words (Five, I think "Dr." should be in there too) to show when this began. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.132.125 ( talk) 04:51, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
(answering just one year later, but with the page locked, I thought it was done) Oh, now I have two quotes of yours to explain why it doesn't warrant mention: the page is "a cheesy tv ep summary" "designed for folks to access info quickly." Thus, we're all about the practical, with all guidelines possible to ensure that in retelling the story, we get to the point soon. No matter if you try to embellish an extraneous detail with SYMBOLISM!!!, this is still " trivial and of importance only to a small population of fans". Sorry, not convinced! igordebraga ≠ 01:50, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Requestin permission to unlock the article for eidts so that Category:Time travel television episodes can be added. 195.151.26.214 ( talk) 13:37, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
24.84.132.125 Please explain the recent edits and multiple reverts on this article. I urge you to be constructive and willing to reach a consensus with the other editors. — Hexafluoride Ping me if you need help, or post on my talk 12:55, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
The argument I'm making is above. It had been up for over a month where someone else asked me to put it, but wasn't noticed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.132.125 ( talk) 00:39, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
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Without a reliable ref for the title, I think this is automatically an AFD (as in an admin will come and nominate it). Just a heads up to the contributer(s) of the aticle. Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 08:34, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
The official airdate and episode description has now been released, should the page be recreated? -- TheLeft orium 18:50, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
I know I should correct them myself, but I thought I'd bring it here first. The first I noticed was that it states the survivors, Juliet, and the Kahana crew all go to the hatch, then move forward in time, then Daniel begins to compare the events to a record. This is not true. As they're heading to the Swan, Sawyer stops everything to ask for a shirt, then demands Daniel explain, to which he compares it to a record. Another mistake I noticed was the mention of the Swan being "rebuilt", which is also not true. It isn't "rebuilt", they've just once again traveled back in time.
I also wanted to ask if, in the sentence where it states Locke was approached by Richard, it should mention that he "has to die" in order to convince the Oceanic 6 to return. In addition, should the mention of the Others not moving through time be included in that sentence, rather than being tacked on to the first sentence in that paragraph? -- H E L LØ Ŧ H E R E 00:28, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
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I will review the article sometime later today or tomorrow. Thanks, Ruby2010 talk 03:30, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
To the GA reviewer: Sorry that you had to see this. Seriously, though, it's a cheesy tv ep summary...aren't there more deserving articles to look at?
Anyhoo. Best wishes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.120.81.30 ( talk) 00:02, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
This guy must get points for style? Or at least a special mention for his demonstration of dedication to the Marvin Candle Appreciation Society? That Ole' Cheesy Dude ( Talk to the hand!) 00:21, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
" Congratulations! On behalf of the DeGroots, Alvar Hanso, and all of us at the DHARMA Initiative, thank you, namaste, and... good luck." igordebraga ≠ 02:26, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
I'll come back to the reception section in an hour or so and complete the review. Thanks, Ruby2010 talk 20:56, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
Did those, though I'm not so sure if my rewrite of the sentence in the third bullet point is good enough; anything else? igordebraga ≠ 00:35, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
You folks getting in a ridiculous edit war over a small sensible edit from an IP, going so far as to lock the article, should be ashamed of yourselves. 68.73.84.231 ( talk) 09:46, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Listen.... In the LOST mythology, there are two irregularly recurring elements that are always highly awaited. An appearance by the Smoke Monster and a new Orientation Video. Both of these elements have some of the most talked about mysteries attached to them. They are major features slavered over by the fans when they happen For the Smoke Monster, people speculate on just what it is, and exactly what it's purpose is intended to be.
The Orientation Video has several mysteries tied to it. They slowly answer the exact nature of the Dharma Initiative, They provide insight into the nature of the island....I believe that the most intense speculation centres around the Narrator of these videos. Dr Marvin Candle? Dr Wickmund? Dr Halliwax? Three different men who look the same? Three different time periods? What about the missing arm on one version of the Narrator? Just what is the deal with Dr. Marvin Candle?
So, in one moment, a major part of that is revealed. Dr. Pierre Chaing is PURPOSELY lying about his name! A major story point hidden in a small moment.
So I gave it five words to illustrate that this moment exists. "calling himself Dr. Marvin Candle,"
That I have to explain this small addition is lamentable. I had to spend 300 words and a dozen efforts to make a small germaine, true, verifiable and brief edit in a place where I am not only allowed to add my two cents, but actively encouraged to do so. By the way: You know why Sawyer "believes" that Desmond is in the hatch? Because he is! It's not belief, it's knowledge. I initially tried to edit that because I thought there was a word count limit and I was trying to squeeze my thought in. Really, though, it is incorrect. 190.9.202.5 ( talk) 15:53, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Right. Well, I'll continue to edit every episode from here on in with completely accurate information, being as terse as possible. Someone seems to be a little overly fond of their editing abilities. This seems to be unreasonable and seemingly purposely obtuse. What is the use of an open source encylcopedia if you are not allowed to include pertinent info? So, here we go. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.69.94.50 ( talk) 22:48, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Maybe when it comes to episode summaries, we should just cut-and-paste the official episode summaries from the official website then, to avoid situations like this. And pretty much only allow cosmetic edits after that. For example, when a bone is broken and protruding thru the skin, then in medical terminology it is a Compound Fracture, like what Locke had in that one episode, that JackyBoy chose to make such a big deal over. Whippletheduck ( talk) 01:27, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Hmm...Hadn't checked back in since my initial salient points. I see that the PTBs continue to feel attacked by their unwillingness to accept additions. Tell me, "How'sItGoin", what would you accept as 100% proof that it is a big part of the interest of the fan base? I CAN say that the information is VERY important to a large cross section. Looking at fan boards and the like would do that. Is this not research though? An' Whipple? Keep 'em flying, brother. 79.129.13.254 ( talk) 13:31, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Sounds like your getting a little paranoid here, JackieBoy. First off, nearly all my edits that I do on Wikipedia are about LOST, if you want to check my CONTRIB log, and while I visit almost every page imaginable to the show, I rarely look at the TALK pages, which is why I am so late in chiming in on this subject. And generally speaking, I do like your episode summaries. Like any fan of the show (and I bet I am just as into the show as you are) I don't usually view the episode summaries as much as I should and normally concentrate on characters and show issues (ie, the others or mythology). Sorry to see you are being as paranoid as you are, that is not my intent, but if we are both LOST fan's, we better get used to each other ;).
To what DemonHog said, OK, I did not know that, but we can certainly make sure that whatever we enter into the Episode Summary page is as "close" to what ABC put's up as possible. After that, obviously, I think that when you see an episode where a character falls and a bone protrudes from the leg, then you medically have a compound fracture, and WEBMD can back that up, yet someone else (won't say name for now) saw fit to start an edit war for something so trivial....... Well that is all I have to quack about for now. Whippletheduck ( talk) 01:07, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Thought it would be good to see a conversation going on outside the Discussion Page. Be well.
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Thanks so much for the note. The info I added seems to be constructive and concise. It briefly expands on the story of the season and the episode. I am not experimenting, though it's gratifying to know that there is a process for experimentation. All the best.
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Because You Left, you may be blocked from editing. Also as a side note, although you feel the information is "constructive and concise" it has been decided by the community that the information should not be added. --HELLØ ŦHERE 02:38, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
Interesting to know. Could you describe "the community" to me a little more, as it seems somewhat insular. I have noted in the "comments" section that this has been debated....Seemingly there is not a consensus. I am saddened by a looming decision to ban alterations. Just below where I type, it states that information must be verifiable. This addition clearly meets that criterion. Also, the use of the word "Vandalize" seems to mean, to some, "Things That I Don't Like" which would not be how I would define the word. Thanks for your note. Best wishes.
Still here. I can wait. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.120.81.30 ( talk) 23:34, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
This being the latest round. Important to stay above board, donchaknow.
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The recent edit you made to Because You Left constitutes vandalism, and has been reverted. Please do not continue to vandalize pages; use the sandbox for testing. Thank you. Bped1985 (talk) 00:51, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Accurate, terse, not inflammatory, and innocuous...."vandalism"? Graffito, maybe....social commentary, perhaps. Any reader wouldn't even be nonplussed by the words. Vandalism? Vandalism, here, only means that someone doesn't like it. Seriously, again...FOUR WORDS. Message away, kids. It's been three years. I assume I'll die in another ten. I merely want to add one small piece of info. Who is the august body that decides on four words, again?
Please do not vandalize pages, as you did with this edit to Because You Left. If you continue to do so, you will be blocked from editing. Bped1985 (talk) 00:59, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Didn't vandalize ( and what does 'vandalize' mean to you? I would say I 'enhanced'...at least 'adorned'! Give me adorned! Spangled? Glittered? ). and your threat of being blocked is toothless. You can close the page, I guess...for the umpteenth time. Ultimately, you'll open it. I'll be there...and I'll add the germane info again. Let the undisputed info stay, I'll disappear, and you'll never have to listen to my unreasonable blather again. I refer you to the other two dozen times I argued for the four words.
Seriously? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.132.125 ( talk) 07:42, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
Don't call me Shirley. Or Marvin Candle. You might not be a vandal, but you're a very persistent and disruptive idiot who insists on putting useless information on what's supposed to be a short summary for years and years. STOP! @ 24.84.132.125: igordebraga ≠ 05:00, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
Man, I feel terrible....It's been in longer than it's been out and it's four words. Namecalling is for suckers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.132.125 ( talk) 06:07, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
Four words that don't have any difference to how the episode or the series as a whole unfolds. Which is what plot summaries are supposed to have. Brevity is... wit. And name-calling is the only way to ensure you're listening, @ 24.84.132.125:. igordebraga ≠ 15:14, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
Not very adult though. I've been listening since the beginning. I just don't agree.... Until next time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.87.50.86 ( talk) 20:20, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
To ensure this Lame edit war ends (if you're still there, of course): this is a wiki built on consensus. If you can deliver a good argument besides "it's only four harmless words" as to why the Marvin Candle tidbit is a truly relevant information required to understand the events of that episode, we'll let the thing stay. Your move. igordebraga ≠ 16:44, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Hello there. This is from THAT guy. I missed this. I would like to try. Here goes.....
I am not confident that this is the FIRST series to have the audience as active participants in the story outside of the show, but I think it remains the apex of this idea. The show actively coaxed a large part of the audience into looking up books, checking ancient history, learning cryptography and cartography, and researching famed philosophers. It became a multimedia platform. The two Exec Producers dropped hints on their own weekly podcast, There were weird clips, there were websites with clues to...er....something sponsored by the show. Etc.
The viewer, should she wish to watch on that level, became a de facto character in the LOST world. The actual characters on the show knew that there were weird mysteries on the Island, but weren't privy to some that the show provided for the FolksAtHome. This inspired, with the Show's encouragement, thousands of fan theories to make sense of things. The show traded on this.
I agree that when Pierre Chang appears on screen, it impacts none of the characters, really. They're most interested in surviving But this is the first time We have seen things from the perspective of a character who understands exactly what he is doing. The first time we see Dharma functioning "business as usual" in it's formative days. This is a major development for the show. The blinds are starting to fall away. So we meet Chang and his real name- then Chang steps in front of the camera and calmly gives a fake name. A thousand theories fall, and one big fact appears. Dharma is purposely manufacturing a mystery. They purposely didn't make sense. They're messing with people. It's part of the gag. This immediately shows the I-Guy character (Us) that this might be the answer to all the other incongruities as well. It doesn't add up....because that's how they wanted it.
Now, it is in my opinion, that on THIS show, with all of this extra content and focus on fan participation, that this moment is a major plot point. I think the show provided it as a pressure-release valve....because they couldn't pay everything off. Whether this is is true or not, this moment is SPECIFICALLY highlighted as the FIRST thing in the wind down seasons to show that some of the mysteries may just be there to be mysteries. Wikipedia is not designed to cater to fictional characters, it's designed for folks to access info quickly. This is quick. I think it deserves four words (Five, I think "Dr." should be in there too) to show when this began. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.132.125 ( talk) 04:51, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
(answering just one year later, but with the page locked, I thought it was done) Oh, now I have two quotes of yours to explain why it doesn't warrant mention: the page is "a cheesy tv ep summary" "designed for folks to access info quickly." Thus, we're all about the practical, with all guidelines possible to ensure that in retelling the story, we get to the point soon. No matter if you try to embellish an extraneous detail with SYMBOLISM!!!, this is still " trivial and of importance only to a small population of fans". Sorry, not convinced! igordebraga ≠ 01:50, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Requestin permission to unlock the article for eidts so that Category:Time travel television episodes can be added. 195.151.26.214 ( talk) 13:37, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
24.84.132.125 Please explain the recent edits and multiple reverts on this article. I urge you to be constructive and willing to reach a consensus with the other editors. — Hexafluoride Ping me if you need help, or post on my talk 12:55, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
The argument I'm making is above. It had been up for over a month where someone else asked me to put it, but wasn't noticed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.132.125 ( talk) 00:39, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
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