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Reviewer: Thebiguglyalien ( talk · contribs) 06:57, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
I'll get a review posted for this article in the next day or so. Then we can see how it compares to the
good article criteria and what changes it might need to meet them.
Thebiguglyalien (
talk) 06:57, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
WikiEditor1234567123, I've checked the sources for reliability, and some questions need to be resolved before I review the text. Thebiguglyalien ( talk) 17:10, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
WikiEditor1234567123, I've looked over the rest of the article, and it looks good. There are a few notes below about different things to be looked at, but most of them are just copyediting or clarifying the information. Thebiguglyalien ( talk) 00:06, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
in a place known as Somyokh– It doesn't need to say "a place known as".
Chechen Sufi sheikh– Watch out for MOS:SEAOFBLUE. Having several links in a row makes it difficult to tell which thing is which.
with whom he discussed about matters of spirituality– It's either "discussed" or "talked about", not "discussed about".
According to some information– Do we need to say this? Everything in the article is according to some information.
he himself was an outlaw– In what way was he an outlaw? A little more information about abreks would be helpful here so we know what Batal Hajji was doing.
At the moment of Batal Hajji's return to Ingushetia– "At the moment" means the exact second that he got to Ingushetia. "At the time" might be more accurate.
The issue was that the Ingush had to go lengths to visit Chechnya– This doesn't need to be described as an issue. It can just say that they had to travel to Kunta-Haji.
He stated to them that– Either "he stated that" or "he said to them that".
who offered him to choose between– Either "who offered him a choice between" or "who asked him to choose between".
Batal Hajji chose this life excepting he could gain place in the afterlife– Is this supposed to be "expecting he could gain a place"?
Batal Hajji founded the wird approximately, either,– Using both "approximately" and "either" is redundant. I suggest removing "approximately"
but later followers came from other places too– Just saying "other places" doesn't really add anything.
was estimated by John F. Baddeley– Baddeley isn't explained until later. If his name is used up here, then it should be described who he is.
As opposite to– Is this supposed to be "unlike"?
The wird also encourages marriages within the wird– Is there a way to word this that doesn't use "wird" twice in a row like this?
although men are excepted to allow to marry women– I'm not sure what this means. Is it "although men are allowed to marry women"?
John F. Baddeley, a famous British traveler— We don't need to describe people as "famous".
The accused religious figures included: the Chechen sheikhs:– There shouldn't be two colons in a row like this. Does it even matter who the other accused religious figures are if this article is only about Batal Hajji?
Thanks to Pavel Gaidukov– We shouldn't use the word "thanks" in articles. It can just say that Pavel Gaidukov sought permission or granted permission (whichever one it was, the article doesn't say).
who is said to have been respected more than any Ingush women– Was she Ingush? If she was, it should say more than any other Ingush women. Also, this is a big claim, so who was saying this?
the Anti-Soviet Imam– MOS:SEAOFBLUE
in fire exchanges– Is this supposed to be "in exchanges of gunfire" (where they were shooting at the police and the police were shooting back)?
In addition to these notes, I made some copyedits, which can be seen here. I suggest looking them over to see some of the more minor things that I fixed.
These are most likely unreliable sources:
These appear to be published by Russian universities (I've opened a discussion here about whether these can be used as sources):
I'm unable to find enough information about the authors and publishers to verify whether or not these sources are reliable:
Other source concerns:
Spot checks to ensure that the article accurately reflects the sources without copying from them:
Spot checks look good overall, just need clarification on Albogachieva (2019).
The article does a good job covering Batal Hajji's life, but what about his teachings? I read the article, and I still don't know much about his wird or how it was different from any other Sufi wird, except for the burial tradition and the dhikr. Were there any beliefs that were different, or were practices like this the only differences?
No idea is given undue weight. The article does not use subjective language.
There are no content disputes affecting the article.
Both images appear to be public domain.
Abdulla Daudov is a doctor of historical sciences (see his profile here) while Julietta Meskhidze is specialist in this sphere, works at Russian Academy of Sciences (for short "RAN"), candidate for historical sciences (see her profile here. So, all other Meskhidze works are reliable as well, most of them published by RAN.
Akhmed Malsagov and Ibragim Dakhilgov are known folklorists who have recorded many Chechen and Ingush folktales and legends. To show the notibility, as an example, this Akhmed Malsagov's work was published by Nauka. Also, Ibragim Dakhilgov himself is a student of Uzdiyat Dalgat , a famous folklorist too in the Caucasus region. Note that I only used this source once for a legend, else where I didn't use this source.
Oops, I just realized that this source isn't reliable at all, the author is said to be a director of film (see p. 321 of the same book). I will delete this source like I deleted the newspaper "Антонова, В; Komsomolskaya Pravda" that you suggested was unreliable. Thanks for the help!
I really used this primary source once, and that's to make mention of the " Hajji" title in Batal Hajji's name. I first thought that a source isn't needed for such obvious thing, but I decided to cite a source nevertheless. I cited that source once and never again in the article and I assure you, it's only used to make mention of the Hajji title and reliable enough for that claim.
I'm afraid, I'm not sure about this one. Because it's an encyclopedia, I assumed it's reliable, but an request at the WP:RS/N wouldn't hurt, as well as for this "Белхароев, Х. У.; Гуманитарные исследования. История и филология" source. WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk) 17:53, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
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I'll get a review posted for this article in the next day or so. Then we can see how it compares to the
good article criteria and what changes it might need to meet them.
Thebiguglyalien (
talk) 06:57, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
WikiEditor1234567123, I've checked the sources for reliability, and some questions need to be resolved before I review the text. Thebiguglyalien ( talk) 17:10, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
WikiEditor1234567123, I've looked over the rest of the article, and it looks good. There are a few notes below about different things to be looked at, but most of them are just copyediting or clarifying the information. Thebiguglyalien ( talk) 00:06, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
in a place known as Somyokh– It doesn't need to say "a place known as".
Chechen Sufi sheikh– Watch out for MOS:SEAOFBLUE. Having several links in a row makes it difficult to tell which thing is which.
with whom he discussed about matters of spirituality– It's either "discussed" or "talked about", not "discussed about".
According to some information– Do we need to say this? Everything in the article is according to some information.
he himself was an outlaw– In what way was he an outlaw? A little more information about abreks would be helpful here so we know what Batal Hajji was doing.
At the moment of Batal Hajji's return to Ingushetia– "At the moment" means the exact second that he got to Ingushetia. "At the time" might be more accurate.
The issue was that the Ingush had to go lengths to visit Chechnya– This doesn't need to be described as an issue. It can just say that they had to travel to Kunta-Haji.
He stated to them that– Either "he stated that" or "he said to them that".
who offered him to choose between– Either "who offered him a choice between" or "who asked him to choose between".
Batal Hajji chose this life excepting he could gain place in the afterlife– Is this supposed to be "expecting he could gain a place"?
Batal Hajji founded the wird approximately, either,– Using both "approximately" and "either" is redundant. I suggest removing "approximately"
but later followers came from other places too– Just saying "other places" doesn't really add anything.
was estimated by John F. Baddeley– Baddeley isn't explained until later. If his name is used up here, then it should be described who he is.
As opposite to– Is this supposed to be "unlike"?
The wird also encourages marriages within the wird– Is there a way to word this that doesn't use "wird" twice in a row like this?
although men are excepted to allow to marry women– I'm not sure what this means. Is it "although men are allowed to marry women"?
John F. Baddeley, a famous British traveler— We don't need to describe people as "famous".
The accused religious figures included: the Chechen sheikhs:– There shouldn't be two colons in a row like this. Does it even matter who the other accused religious figures are if this article is only about Batal Hajji?
Thanks to Pavel Gaidukov– We shouldn't use the word "thanks" in articles. It can just say that Pavel Gaidukov sought permission or granted permission (whichever one it was, the article doesn't say).
who is said to have been respected more than any Ingush women– Was she Ingush? If she was, it should say more than any other Ingush women. Also, this is a big claim, so who was saying this?
the Anti-Soviet Imam– MOS:SEAOFBLUE
in fire exchanges– Is this supposed to be "in exchanges of gunfire" (where they were shooting at the police and the police were shooting back)?
In addition to these notes, I made some copyedits, which can be seen here. I suggest looking them over to see some of the more minor things that I fixed.
These are most likely unreliable sources:
These appear to be published by Russian universities (I've opened a discussion here about whether these can be used as sources):
I'm unable to find enough information about the authors and publishers to verify whether or not these sources are reliable:
Other source concerns:
Spot checks to ensure that the article accurately reflects the sources without copying from them:
Spot checks look good overall, just need clarification on Albogachieva (2019).
The article does a good job covering Batal Hajji's life, but what about his teachings? I read the article, and I still don't know much about his wird or how it was different from any other Sufi wird, except for the burial tradition and the dhikr. Were there any beliefs that were different, or were practices like this the only differences?
No idea is given undue weight. The article does not use subjective language.
There are no content disputes affecting the article.
Both images appear to be public domain.
Abdulla Daudov is a doctor of historical sciences (see his profile here) while Julietta Meskhidze is specialist in this sphere, works at Russian Academy of Sciences (for short "RAN"), candidate for historical sciences (see her profile here. So, all other Meskhidze works are reliable as well, most of them published by RAN.
Akhmed Malsagov and Ibragim Dakhilgov are known folklorists who have recorded many Chechen and Ingush folktales and legends. To show the notibility, as an example, this Akhmed Malsagov's work was published by Nauka. Also, Ibragim Dakhilgov himself is a student of Uzdiyat Dalgat , a famous folklorist too in the Caucasus region. Note that I only used this source once for a legend, else where I didn't use this source.
Oops, I just realized that this source isn't reliable at all, the author is said to be a director of film (see p. 321 of the same book). I will delete this source like I deleted the newspaper "Антонова, В; Komsomolskaya Pravda" that you suggested was unreliable. Thanks for the help!
I really used this primary source once, and that's to make mention of the " Hajji" title in Batal Hajji's name. I first thought that a source isn't needed for such obvious thing, but I decided to cite a source nevertheless. I cited that source once and never again in the article and I assure you, it's only used to make mention of the Hajji title and reliable enough for that claim.
I'm afraid, I'm not sure about this one. Because it's an encyclopedia, I assumed it's reliable, but an request at the WP:RS/N wouldn't hurt, as well as for this "Белхароев, Х. У.; Гуманитарные исследования. История и филология" source. WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk) 17:53, 25 August 2023 (UTC)