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Apologies - I intended a partial revert, messed it up and then my wifi decided to reset. Verbal chat 18:17, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Verbal, can you please explain why you think a shift to active voice is a POV wording? this is an article about AB, not homeopathy, so I don't see the advantage of the current phrasing. -- Ludwigs2 20:32, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
uh... wow, you're really reading into that. first off, this is an article about AB, not about homeopathy. it doesn't matter what homeopathy practitioners (sorry, homeopath sounds like a latin term for someone who wants to commit suicide) are doing, really, and it's not always HPs who are selling the preparations anyway. I think you're trying to pack too much into this sentence. the sentence only needs to say that belladonna preparations of this type exist and have been sold; trying to turn it into a statement about homeopathy is as torturous as it is off-topic. you get enough milage from that concept in the rest of the paragraph. -- Ludwigs2 03:25, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Rather than call in the cavalry, which will not make anyone happy, I'm going to go along with you and wait for others patiently. ScienceApologist ( talk) 14:41, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
See PMID 10531108 Andrew Vickers, Catherine Zollman, ABC of complementary medicine Homoeopathy, BMJ. 1999 Oct 23;319(7217):1115-8 full text Based on this source I believe "Belladonna preparations have been sold as homeopathic remedies for various conditions" is reasonable wording.
"Other common homoeopathic medicines include those made from plants such as belladonna, arnica, and chamomile; minerals such as mercury and sulphur; animal products such as sepia (squid ink) and lachesis (snake venom); and, more rarely, biochemical substances such as histamine or human growth factor. The remedies are prepared by a process of serial dilution and succussion (vigorous shaking). The more times this process of dilution and succussion is performed, the greater the "potency" of the remedy."
"It is well known that many homoeopathic medicines are ultramolecular -that is, they are diluted to such a degree that not even a single molecule of the original solute is likely to be present." Ward20 ( talk) 07:17, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
This doesn't really deal substantively with what I'm saying. ScienceApologist ( talk) 14:41, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
I am satisfied with the compromise that Ward made, if it's alright with SA. -- Ludwigs2 22:11, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
Why the name of this article is not written in italic form like other scientific names, or it isn't? Thank you (sorry if my English is maybe weird, because I'm not native speaker :-) ) -- Ponpan ( talk) 07:30, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
When a human consumes atropa belladona, is bleeding one of the effects of the poison? (such as bleeding from the mouth, nose, ears, or eyes)
Without treatment, does death occur before or after the bleeding first starts?
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Questioning this statement and source about whether it has sufficient value to be included under the Alternative medicine section; WP:UNDUE. -- Zefr ( talk) 15:34, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
Belladonna is one of the most toxic plants found in the Eastern Hemisphere,[19] and its use by mouth increases risk in numerous clinical conditions, such as pregnancy, cardiovascular diseases, gastrointestinal disorders, and psychiatric disorders, among others.[1][2]
From the way it is written, seems like the plant causes...pregnancy!!
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Apologies - I intended a partial revert, messed it up and then my wifi decided to reset. Verbal chat 18:17, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Verbal, can you please explain why you think a shift to active voice is a POV wording? this is an article about AB, not homeopathy, so I don't see the advantage of the current phrasing. -- Ludwigs2 20:32, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
uh... wow, you're really reading into that. first off, this is an article about AB, not about homeopathy. it doesn't matter what homeopathy practitioners (sorry, homeopath sounds like a latin term for someone who wants to commit suicide) are doing, really, and it's not always HPs who are selling the preparations anyway. I think you're trying to pack too much into this sentence. the sentence only needs to say that belladonna preparations of this type exist and have been sold; trying to turn it into a statement about homeopathy is as torturous as it is off-topic. you get enough milage from that concept in the rest of the paragraph. -- Ludwigs2 03:25, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Rather than call in the cavalry, which will not make anyone happy, I'm going to go along with you and wait for others patiently. ScienceApologist ( talk) 14:41, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
See PMID 10531108 Andrew Vickers, Catherine Zollman, ABC of complementary medicine Homoeopathy, BMJ. 1999 Oct 23;319(7217):1115-8 full text Based on this source I believe "Belladonna preparations have been sold as homeopathic remedies for various conditions" is reasonable wording.
"Other common homoeopathic medicines include those made from plants such as belladonna, arnica, and chamomile; minerals such as mercury and sulphur; animal products such as sepia (squid ink) and lachesis (snake venom); and, more rarely, biochemical substances such as histamine or human growth factor. The remedies are prepared by a process of serial dilution and succussion (vigorous shaking). The more times this process of dilution and succussion is performed, the greater the "potency" of the remedy."
"It is well known that many homoeopathic medicines are ultramolecular -that is, they are diluted to such a degree that not even a single molecule of the original solute is likely to be present." Ward20 ( talk) 07:17, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
This doesn't really deal substantively with what I'm saying. ScienceApologist ( talk) 14:41, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
I am satisfied with the compromise that Ward made, if it's alright with SA. -- Ludwigs2 22:11, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
Why the name of this article is not written in italic form like other scientific names, or it isn't? Thank you (sorry if my English is maybe weird, because I'm not native speaker :-) ) -- Ponpan ( talk) 07:30, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
When a human consumes atropa belladona, is bleeding one of the effects of the poison? (such as bleeding from the mouth, nose, ears, or eyes)
Without treatment, does death occur before or after the bleeding first starts?
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Questioning this statement and source about whether it has sufficient value to be included under the Alternative medicine section; WP:UNDUE. -- Zefr ( talk) 15:34, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
Belladonna is one of the most toxic plants found in the Eastern Hemisphere,[19] and its use by mouth increases risk in numerous clinical conditions, such as pregnancy, cardiovascular diseases, gastrointestinal disorders, and psychiatric disorders, among others.[1][2]
From the way it is written, seems like the plant causes...pregnancy!!