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I've got two sources (including 1911 EB) that say the Arkansas is 2000 miles long, and one (Ark River coalition) saying it's 1450. That's 550 miles of river in discrepancy. I'm suspicious that flood control work in the 20th century has shortened the river, but I'm not sure that would account for it. Any ideas for definitive numbers? -- ESP 18:54 14 Jul 2003 (UTC)
True or false: This river's name is more commonly pronounced as "R Kansas" than as "Arkansas". 66.32.145.196 01:04, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I am a recent resident of Garden City Kansas, through which this river once flowed. The proper pronunciation of the river is indeed "Arkansaw" but in most of Kansas it is commonly referred to as the "R Kansas" River for the play on words (i.e. Our Kansas River). - user nonbonumest
Since the river got its name from its Arkansas end (it came from the French name of the Quapaw tribe, whose ancestral home was near Arkansas Post), "Arkansaw" is its correct pronunciation. (The Arkansas legislature made that the official pronunciation of the state's name in 1881. [1]) However, "Arkansas" in Arkansas City, Kansas is properly pronounced "R Kansas" due to local usage there; as many Arkansas localities have unusual pronunciations (see Lafayette & Nevada Counties and El Dorado, all three pronounced differently from their respective namesakes), we can certainly respect Kansas' preference there. -- RBBrittain 08:04, 21 November 2006 (UTC) (resident of Arkansas)
I've lived in Colorado for 30+ years & I've never heard anyone pronounce it R-Kansas here. Suggest changing this: "Many people in some states, including Kansas and Colorado, pronounce it /ɑrˈkænzəs/ ar-kan-zəs," to this: Many people in Kansas pronounce it /ɑrˈkænzəs/ ar-kan-zəs. Bradrh ( talk) 14:33, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
This is the true prevailing practice:
Paul 08:39, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
In much of Western Kansas the Arkansas River is actually now a dry riverbed, due to large scale irrigation. I know that the river currently is dry (year round) at least from west of Lakin, Kansas east past Dodge City, but I suspect that it is dry for some distance past that both to the east and west, but to what distance I am unsure. If anyone knows anything in greater detail about this it might be useful to include in the article. - user nonbonumest
I am also curious about this. Sometimes it seems to be filled to the banks but has also been dry for years on end throughout Kansas. Can anyone explain why this is? -- Junky 20:43, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
The answer is fairly easy...the amount of water flowing through (or lack thereof) a particular section of the river is mostly due to the amount of rainfall (or lack thereof) flowing through its drainage basin. This is further adjusted by (as previously noted) the amount of water that is removed from the river for irrigation and other purposes as well as the lesser effects of evaporation. Rainy periods not only mean that there is more water to drain in the river, it also means there is less demand for irrigation (as the croplands will have received abundant water through natural rainfall). The flipside is that when it is drier in the basin, the amount of water flowing into the river is less (the supply) and the demand for irrigation spikes up because the croplands are dry. This is a double-edged sword in that extremely wet years mean lots of water and little irrigation and mean that the river floods easily but extremely dry years mean there is little water supplied and it is basically completely drained due to the demands of farmers. While this is not ideal, keep in mind that the Arkansas basin is the "breadbasket of America" and one of just a handful of breadbaskets of the world. The ecological demands on the river are extreme, but they prevent famines and wars. If irrigation was limited or not allowed, it would produce a large dropoff in the world's crop production (principally grain) and drive up prices worldwide. These price affects would first affect the world's poorest countries as the rich countries would simply pay the high prices in order to get food. This would likely lead to great famines in the third world countries and would create an environment conducive to wars, genocides, and all manner of other man-made horrors....so the answer is not really that simple after all, I guess.
There are no references. slambo 10:36, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
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Data maps & linksArkansas River data - John Martin/Ark River operations. Missouri River data and links. Republican River data. Topographic maps are available on the internet ...
About Equus BedsDRAINAGE BASIN--Hydrologic unit consisting of a part of the surface of the ... TOPOGRAPHIC MAP--A map that shows natural human-made features of an area ...
and the Kansas Water Office (KWO), with funding ... Health and Environment, and the Lower Arkansas Basin Advisory Committee ... western GMD2 south of the Arkansas River ...
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Why should this article be in the Category:Human geography and the Category:Biogeography, and not every other river in the world? Like say the Amazon River or the Yukon River? The text of the article makes no mention of either of the topics. I'd revert the edits, but the user who added them ( User:RJBurkhart) seems to revert them right back... so I don't know. -- Malepheasant 08:26, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
The article for the Rio Grande makes the same claim to fame, to be the fourth longest river in the US. So which is it? Rio Grande is longer, right? Steve G 07:22, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
The Angling section was recently deleted with the following edit summary: Removed section: only source was self-published, and Wikipedia is not a tourist guide. The section has been re-written to include significant additional sources to include the "self-published" source whose author is extensively referenced and quoted in other sources. The comment about the Tourist Guide may be correct but not relevant to the subject of the section. Angling on the Arkansas is a significant and historical recreational use of the river well supported by verifiable sources. The fact that "tourists" may fly fish the river is irrelevant. Indeed if all the "activity" related content for geographic and destination related articles (ie. Yellowstone, Disneyland, etc.) were removed because "tourists" participated in those activities, WP would be a sad place.-- Mike Cline ( talk) 15:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Quality C: because it only has citations in the lead and in one other paragraph.-- ClemRutter ( talk) 20:27, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
The article states that the Arkansas River is navigable to Muskogee, Oklahoma via the McClellan-Kerr system, however, the McClellan-Kerr article states that the river is navigable until the Tulsa area (actually Catoosa, a suburb or Tulsa) through the McClellan-Kerr system and the navigation head is at the Catoosa port. I'm fairly sure that the article is in error, but, if the navigation through Catoosa is conditional on hydrological conditions, this needs to be clarified. From what I can gather, however, the Catoosa port is always navigable (extreme conditions aside). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.93.147.197 ( talk) 16:02, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Calling 445 miles of the Arkansas River "little more than a series of reservoirs" is extreme (and uncited). Water freely and continuously flows unimpeded, from one supposed "reservoir" to the next. The locks complement the navigation channels kept dredged along the course of the riverbed. In this photo of McClellan-Kerr Lock 18, the lock only spans one-fourth of the width of the river, and spans a tiny proportion of the twenty miles of the length of the river which lies between this and the next dam. Catsmoke ( talk) 03:20, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
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In the first paragraph of this article, it says, "The river's source basin lies in the western United States in Colorado, specifically the Arkansas River Valley..." and there's a hyperlink for Arkansas River Valley. But clicking on that link sends you to a page about a valley in Arkansas, at the bottom of the river's course, not at the headwaters. So this is a factual error that needs to be fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.203.168.162 ( talk) 17:17, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
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I've got two sources (including 1911 EB) that say the Arkansas is 2000 miles long, and one (Ark River coalition) saying it's 1450. That's 550 miles of river in discrepancy. I'm suspicious that flood control work in the 20th century has shortened the river, but I'm not sure that would account for it. Any ideas for definitive numbers? -- ESP 18:54 14 Jul 2003 (UTC)
True or false: This river's name is more commonly pronounced as "R Kansas" than as "Arkansas". 66.32.145.196 01:04, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I am a recent resident of Garden City Kansas, through which this river once flowed. The proper pronunciation of the river is indeed "Arkansaw" but in most of Kansas it is commonly referred to as the "R Kansas" River for the play on words (i.e. Our Kansas River). - user nonbonumest
Since the river got its name from its Arkansas end (it came from the French name of the Quapaw tribe, whose ancestral home was near Arkansas Post), "Arkansaw" is its correct pronunciation. (The Arkansas legislature made that the official pronunciation of the state's name in 1881. [1]) However, "Arkansas" in Arkansas City, Kansas is properly pronounced "R Kansas" due to local usage there; as many Arkansas localities have unusual pronunciations (see Lafayette & Nevada Counties and El Dorado, all three pronounced differently from their respective namesakes), we can certainly respect Kansas' preference there. -- RBBrittain 08:04, 21 November 2006 (UTC) (resident of Arkansas)
I've lived in Colorado for 30+ years & I've never heard anyone pronounce it R-Kansas here. Suggest changing this: "Many people in some states, including Kansas and Colorado, pronounce it /ɑrˈkænzəs/ ar-kan-zəs," to this: Many people in Kansas pronounce it /ɑrˈkænzəs/ ar-kan-zəs. Bradrh ( talk) 14:33, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
This is the true prevailing practice:
Paul 08:39, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
In much of Western Kansas the Arkansas River is actually now a dry riverbed, due to large scale irrigation. I know that the river currently is dry (year round) at least from west of Lakin, Kansas east past Dodge City, but I suspect that it is dry for some distance past that both to the east and west, but to what distance I am unsure. If anyone knows anything in greater detail about this it might be useful to include in the article. - user nonbonumest
I am also curious about this. Sometimes it seems to be filled to the banks but has also been dry for years on end throughout Kansas. Can anyone explain why this is? -- Junky 20:43, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
The answer is fairly easy...the amount of water flowing through (or lack thereof) a particular section of the river is mostly due to the amount of rainfall (or lack thereof) flowing through its drainage basin. This is further adjusted by (as previously noted) the amount of water that is removed from the river for irrigation and other purposes as well as the lesser effects of evaporation. Rainy periods not only mean that there is more water to drain in the river, it also means there is less demand for irrigation (as the croplands will have received abundant water through natural rainfall). The flipside is that when it is drier in the basin, the amount of water flowing into the river is less (the supply) and the demand for irrigation spikes up because the croplands are dry. This is a double-edged sword in that extremely wet years mean lots of water and little irrigation and mean that the river floods easily but extremely dry years mean there is little water supplied and it is basically completely drained due to the demands of farmers. While this is not ideal, keep in mind that the Arkansas basin is the "breadbasket of America" and one of just a handful of breadbaskets of the world. The ecological demands on the river are extreme, but they prevent famines and wars. If irrigation was limited or not allowed, it would produce a large dropoff in the world's crop production (principally grain) and drive up prices worldwide. These price affects would first affect the world's poorest countries as the rich countries would simply pay the high prices in order to get food. This would likely lead to great famines in the third world countries and would create an environment conducive to wars, genocides, and all manner of other man-made horrors....so the answer is not really that simple after all, I guess.
There are no references. slambo 10:36, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
Blue is the Kansas River not the Arkansas river basin which this discussion refers to. Green is the Arkansas river basin.
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Debra Baker - KWO Basin Planner - 1-888-526-9283 or 785-296-3185 ...
The Upper Arkansas River Corridor Study is a Kansas Water Plan project ...
Susan Stover coordinates the project work at the KWO. ...
Continue survey of fishes in the Arkansas River of SW Kansas. ...
KDWP = Kansas Department of Wildlife & Parks KWO = Kansas Water Office ...
The Kansas Water Office (KWO) administrates the provisions of the Kansas Weather ...
promoting the orderly development of the water in the Arkansas River ...
Kansas Environmental Leadership Program Ch. 2 ... (KWO, FS 37, 2002).
The Upper Arkansas River Basin. Streams in this basin are the Arkansas River ...
This site has publications and other information about alternative farming ...
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Where possible, the streamflow trends were aggregated into KWO basin averages and ... On the map, click on a gaging station in a basin to open a new browser ...
This summary is based on all the map data being set in a Universal Transverse Mercator ... Total Riparian Land Use Bank Miles by KWO Planning Basin. Basin ...
Data maps & linksArkansas River data - John Martin/Ark River operations. Missouri River data and links. Republican River data. Topographic maps are available on the internet ...
About Equus BedsDRAINAGE BASIN--Hydrologic unit consisting of a part of the surface of the ... TOPOGRAPHIC MAP--A map that shows natural human-made features of an area ...
and the Kansas Water Office (KWO), with funding ... Health and Environment, and the Lower Arkansas Basin Advisory Committee ... western GMD2 south of the Arkansas River ...
Through the use of the available GIS themes (wetlands, hydro, topo, and photo) ...
The Kansas Water Office (KWO) is working with the Kansas Alliance for ...
RJBurkhart 03:29, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
Why should this article be in the Category:Human geography and the Category:Biogeography, and not every other river in the world? Like say the Amazon River or the Yukon River? The text of the article makes no mention of either of the topics. I'd revert the edits, but the user who added them ( User:RJBurkhart) seems to revert them right back... so I don't know. -- Malepheasant 08:26, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
The article for the Rio Grande makes the same claim to fame, to be the fourth longest river in the US. So which is it? Rio Grande is longer, right? Steve G 07:22, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
The Angling section was recently deleted with the following edit summary: Removed section: only source was self-published, and Wikipedia is not a tourist guide. The section has been re-written to include significant additional sources to include the "self-published" source whose author is extensively referenced and quoted in other sources. The comment about the Tourist Guide may be correct but not relevant to the subject of the section. Angling on the Arkansas is a significant and historical recreational use of the river well supported by verifiable sources. The fact that "tourists" may fly fish the river is irrelevant. Indeed if all the "activity" related content for geographic and destination related articles (ie. Yellowstone, Disneyland, etc.) were removed because "tourists" participated in those activities, WP would be a sad place.-- Mike Cline ( talk) 15:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Quality C: because it only has citations in the lead and in one other paragraph.-- ClemRutter ( talk) 20:27, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
The article states that the Arkansas River is navigable to Muskogee, Oklahoma via the McClellan-Kerr system, however, the McClellan-Kerr article states that the river is navigable until the Tulsa area (actually Catoosa, a suburb or Tulsa) through the McClellan-Kerr system and the navigation head is at the Catoosa port. I'm fairly sure that the article is in error, but, if the navigation through Catoosa is conditional on hydrological conditions, this needs to be clarified. From what I can gather, however, the Catoosa port is always navigable (extreme conditions aside). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.93.147.197 ( talk) 16:02, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Calling 445 miles of the Arkansas River "little more than a series of reservoirs" is extreme (and uncited). Water freely and continuously flows unimpeded, from one supposed "reservoir" to the next. The locks complement the navigation channels kept dredged along the course of the riverbed. In this photo of McClellan-Kerr Lock 18, the lock only spans one-fourth of the width of the river, and spans a tiny proportion of the twenty miles of the length of the river which lies between this and the next dam. Catsmoke ( talk) 03:20, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
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