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This name change confuses me, because why wouldn't this be considered the same as the Arena Football League now? Obviously there are about a dozen teams missing from 2008, but now that Arena Football 1 is the Arena Football League, why is it not THE Arena Football League, and not like the way United Football League (1961) is seperate from United Football League (2009)? This press release gives me the impression that this is the AFL resuming operations after suspending operations after the 2008 season, making the 2009 season simply a canceled season. They own all the assets, including team names (except for the Desperados I guess), trademarks, stats, the Arenabowl name, the official webiste in the AFL's article under the external links section redirects to this AFL's website, and the press release I provided calls this a "relaunch," so why wouldn't this just be an "under new ownership" situation? Tampabay721 ( talk) 19:21, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Oppose for now. Wait and see if the league actually gets going and gets going strong and how much history of the first league is embraced by the new league. Dincher ( talk) 18:22, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
Support, on the grounds that besides a few fixes to the history page,maybe with a title that says bankupcy, meage with the af2 to from af1, renamed... etc etc etc, they are one and the same, dont need two articles.-- 75.94.196.171 ( talk) 22:38, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Consensus - Support the merge:
Accordingly these will have to remain as two separate articles for the time being. However, there are nearly 1,000 other articles on Wikipedia that contain links to "Arena Football League". Since the two leagues are going to have separate articles, all of these links need to be fixed to point to the article about the appropriate league, depending on the context. I hope that all those who have participated in this discussion will assist in completing this task. -- R'n'B ( call me Russ) 13:40, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
The Iowa Barnstormers website seems to imply that it's both a continuation and a separate entity, but perhaps the latter quote should be viewed as a sic...
link to article "The Iowa Barnstormers open their 2010 season 'Back Where They Belong,' as they re-join the Arena Football League." "The Rush return to the field after going dark during the one year hiatus of the original AFL." Also, this is pretty much
WP:OR but I've been listening to the live radio stream from the Rush's website, and the announcer keeps referring to it as a continuation. Although he's not a representative of the league, I would argue that if he was incorrect, he would have been corrected sometime before the 3 quarters they've finished as I'm writing this. Of course I have no idea what they're saying on NFL Network because that's not a channel I have.
Tampabay721 (
talk) 02:16, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
Merge them. The people have spoken.
So now that we're less than a month away from the start of the season, I think it's about time each team gets its season article created. In my sandbox I prepared one for the Predators, if anyone would like to approve, disapprove, make comments, questions, suggestions, etc. It's pretty much the same layout as all the articles from the 2008 season, but the table for the schedule is different, and I left a few sections out for the time being just so there aren't any blank sections ("Statistics" for example), that can be added in the future. Obviously certain aspects will have to be changed for each team. One thing though, instead of using scoring summaries for each individual game, I would suggest using Crash Underride's idea that was supposed to be put into use for the 2009 season, and type out an actual summary of what happened in each game. Tampabay721 ( talk) 04:23, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
I agree with the pledge that this should be transferred into Arena Football League (1988-2008). Thanks for letting me submit my opinion! Canterbury21 ( talk) 06:37, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
Though this AFL was launched as the AF1, they did purchase all of the assets of the old AFL, which includes debts. In doing so, the AF1 became the AFL. ( Bes2224 ( talk) 15:52, 15 August 2010 (UTC))
I think this article should be subjected to a merge discussion (merging with the old AFL). Now that the first full season is done, I think it is a good time for evaluation on if the league is conducting as a new league or an old league. After this merge discussion, the whole matter should likely be closed (barring a major change in information).
I would do it, but to be blunt I dont know how to start a merge discussion (or merge articles for that matter). Can someone do this? RonSigPi ( talk) 16:13, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Well since no one has come to object to a merge in the last week, I think it's okay to go ahead and merge them. Now the question is, who wants to do the work? Tampabay721 ( talk) 02:28, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
The older article is now at Arena Football League. I've done merges before, but mostly on aircraft articles. I'm not that familar with the articles here, but I could do it. There aren't that many sections on the 2010+ article, so they can be incoporated fairly easily. The Lead will need to be rewritten the most, but should not be that difficult. I can probably do it tonight, as I'll be up late, but I'll wait a few hours to see if someone else is eager to do it. - BilCat ( talk) 03:38, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Note that I've put both articles together on the same page at User:BilCat/Sandbox/Arena Football League. This will make it easier to collaborate on the merger, and we can move it to the main page when it's completed. I'll try to do any work there tonight, and anyone else is welcome to jump in and do any needed work. If you want to edit for an extended time (30 minutes or so), be sure to add an {{ in use}} header so that no one else will try to edit the page. Thanks. - BilCat ( talk) 03:58, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Thanks to some help from User:Oknazevad, the merger is just about complete. If a few editors can take a quick look at the sandbox page to see if there are any major problems that need to be addressed first, that would be good. If it's fine, we can upload the new version sometime today (Sept. 1, US time). Thanks to all! - BilCat ( talk) 05:18, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Should we bypass redirect on all the internal links across Wikipedia that are Arena Football League (1987–2008) or (2010–). If yes, perhaps Woohookitty could be asked to repair all the links with Wikicleaner, since he did that to disambiguate all the links that needed to be disammed a few months ago. Tampabay721 ( talk) 07:24, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
(Aside) We should update the af2 article while we're thinking of stuff. There's still much written in the present tense, still a "Current" teams list (obviously outdated) and a few other elements that just need to be streamlined. oknazevad ( talk) 07:50, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
DONE! It might be possible to histmerge from the sandbox to the main page, but in case it's not, I've included edit credit for the users who participated in the merge in the edit summary. This should satify licensing credit, I hope. - BilCat ( talk) 13:40, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
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This name change confuses me, because why wouldn't this be considered the same as the Arena Football League now? Obviously there are about a dozen teams missing from 2008, but now that Arena Football 1 is the Arena Football League, why is it not THE Arena Football League, and not like the way United Football League (1961) is seperate from United Football League (2009)? This press release gives me the impression that this is the AFL resuming operations after suspending operations after the 2008 season, making the 2009 season simply a canceled season. They own all the assets, including team names (except for the Desperados I guess), trademarks, stats, the Arenabowl name, the official webiste in the AFL's article under the external links section redirects to this AFL's website, and the press release I provided calls this a "relaunch," so why wouldn't this just be an "under new ownership" situation? Tampabay721 ( talk) 19:21, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Oppose for now. Wait and see if the league actually gets going and gets going strong and how much history of the first league is embraced by the new league. Dincher ( talk) 18:22, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
Support, on the grounds that besides a few fixes to the history page,maybe with a title that says bankupcy, meage with the af2 to from af1, renamed... etc etc etc, they are one and the same, dont need two articles.-- 75.94.196.171 ( talk) 22:38, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Consensus - Support the merge:
Accordingly these will have to remain as two separate articles for the time being. However, there are nearly 1,000 other articles on Wikipedia that contain links to "Arena Football League". Since the two leagues are going to have separate articles, all of these links need to be fixed to point to the article about the appropriate league, depending on the context. I hope that all those who have participated in this discussion will assist in completing this task. -- R'n'B ( call me Russ) 13:40, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
The Iowa Barnstormers website seems to imply that it's both a continuation and a separate entity, but perhaps the latter quote should be viewed as a sic...
link to article "The Iowa Barnstormers open their 2010 season 'Back Where They Belong,' as they re-join the Arena Football League." "The Rush return to the field after going dark during the one year hiatus of the original AFL." Also, this is pretty much
WP:OR but I've been listening to the live radio stream from the Rush's website, and the announcer keeps referring to it as a continuation. Although he's not a representative of the league, I would argue that if he was incorrect, he would have been corrected sometime before the 3 quarters they've finished as I'm writing this. Of course I have no idea what they're saying on NFL Network because that's not a channel I have.
Tampabay721 (
talk) 02:16, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
Merge them. The people have spoken.
So now that we're less than a month away from the start of the season, I think it's about time each team gets its season article created. In my sandbox I prepared one for the Predators, if anyone would like to approve, disapprove, make comments, questions, suggestions, etc. It's pretty much the same layout as all the articles from the 2008 season, but the table for the schedule is different, and I left a few sections out for the time being just so there aren't any blank sections ("Statistics" for example), that can be added in the future. Obviously certain aspects will have to be changed for each team. One thing though, instead of using scoring summaries for each individual game, I would suggest using Crash Underride's idea that was supposed to be put into use for the 2009 season, and type out an actual summary of what happened in each game. Tampabay721 ( talk) 04:23, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
I agree with the pledge that this should be transferred into Arena Football League (1988-2008). Thanks for letting me submit my opinion! Canterbury21 ( talk) 06:37, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
Though this AFL was launched as the AF1, they did purchase all of the assets of the old AFL, which includes debts. In doing so, the AF1 became the AFL. ( Bes2224 ( talk) 15:52, 15 August 2010 (UTC))
I think this article should be subjected to a merge discussion (merging with the old AFL). Now that the first full season is done, I think it is a good time for evaluation on if the league is conducting as a new league or an old league. After this merge discussion, the whole matter should likely be closed (barring a major change in information).
I would do it, but to be blunt I dont know how to start a merge discussion (or merge articles for that matter). Can someone do this? RonSigPi ( talk) 16:13, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Well since no one has come to object to a merge in the last week, I think it's okay to go ahead and merge them. Now the question is, who wants to do the work? Tampabay721 ( talk) 02:28, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
The older article is now at Arena Football League. I've done merges before, but mostly on aircraft articles. I'm not that familar with the articles here, but I could do it. There aren't that many sections on the 2010+ article, so they can be incoporated fairly easily. The Lead will need to be rewritten the most, but should not be that difficult. I can probably do it tonight, as I'll be up late, but I'll wait a few hours to see if someone else is eager to do it. - BilCat ( talk) 03:38, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Note that I've put both articles together on the same page at User:BilCat/Sandbox/Arena Football League. This will make it easier to collaborate on the merger, and we can move it to the main page when it's completed. I'll try to do any work there tonight, and anyone else is welcome to jump in and do any needed work. If you want to edit for an extended time (30 minutes or so), be sure to add an {{ in use}} header so that no one else will try to edit the page. Thanks. - BilCat ( talk) 03:58, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Thanks to some help from User:Oknazevad, the merger is just about complete. If a few editors can take a quick look at the sandbox page to see if there are any major problems that need to be addressed first, that would be good. If it's fine, we can upload the new version sometime today (Sept. 1, US time). Thanks to all! - BilCat ( talk) 05:18, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Should we bypass redirect on all the internal links across Wikipedia that are Arena Football League (1987–2008) or (2010–). If yes, perhaps Woohookitty could be asked to repair all the links with Wikicleaner, since he did that to disambiguate all the links that needed to be disammed a few months ago. Tampabay721 ( talk) 07:24, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
(Aside) We should update the af2 article while we're thinking of stuff. There's still much written in the present tense, still a "Current" teams list (obviously outdated) and a few other elements that just need to be streamlined. oknazevad ( talk) 07:50, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
DONE! It might be possible to histmerge from the sandbox to the main page, but in case it's not, I've included edit credit for the users who participated in the merge in the edit summary. This should satify licensing credit, I hope. - BilCat ( talk) 13:40, 1 September 2010 (UTC)