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I think that the Windows Taskbar was actually based/ripped off from the NextStep Dock, and as we all know NextStep became "as one" with Apple and OS X inherited the Dock.
If I remember the story correctly, the 'technicality' was that the Xerox people didn't get it properly copyrighted before showing it to Apple. As the article stands, it leaves an aching feeling for what that technicality was, so can anyone modify the article and say for sure? -- Calamari 03:25, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Apple. v. Microsoft Corp. is the most complicated software copyright lawsuit to date"==
the most complicated... what about SCO v. IBM Linux lawsuit???
Mac OS dock is derived from the NeXTSTEP dock. But NeXT, Inc. was purchased by Apple (long before OS X) in 1996.
This section included the statement:
many features of the Macintosh and Windows GUIs have been incorporated into the windowing environments of unrelated third-parties, such as OpenWindows, X11, and Solaris.
I removed the "such as..." clause since there are no examples given of borrowing by any of these. None of them seems to be candidates for this claim in any event: OpenWindows used the OPEN LOOK L&F, co-developed by AT&T, Sun and Xerox, which predates the lawsuit. X11 does not have a specific L&F; rather, it's the underlying foundation for many different GUIs. Solaris' GUI environment is not unique to Solaris -- it's either CDE or GNOME, so unless there's some Solaris-specific modification to either of those that is in question, it would be more appropriate to call out which one has the borrowed elements, and what those elements are.
The underlying point is that any statement of borrowing needs to be backed by an example of which elements were borrowed, rather than just making an unsubstantiated blanket statement.-- NapoliRoma 19:37, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Should the page be moved to reflect Apple Computer, Inc.'s name change to Apple, Inc. ? Dravick 15:21, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Only if the associated court case is similarly renamed, which I doubt will happen in a million years. Squiggleslash 15:23, 26 March 2007 (UTC) Wikipediea is cools
Someone tell me if I am suffering from False Memory Syndrome... Did not Microsoft (presumably at the behest of Apple's lawyers) put rather absurd notices in the press asking users of Windows to refrain from moving or resizing windows until the suit was settled? Moletrouser ( talk) 09:02, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
The PARC_(Company) article says:
The lawsuit was dismissed because the presiding judge ruled "that Xerox's complaints were inappropriate for a variety of legal reasons," although apocryphal revisionist history insists that Xerox simply waited too long to file suit, and the statute of limitations had expired. This was not actually true; the dismissal of Xerox' legal complaint was not based simply on late filings, but rather a lack of legal merit to Xerox' case as it was presented.[3]
Therefore the PARC_(Company) article is saying that this article is part of the "revisionist history". I don't know which article is correct, but it would be nice if they were consistent.
Hlovatt ( talk) 07:48, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
The quoted section below was removed from the end of the "Impact" section of the article. If one reads the article, expressions (like the Aqua GUI components) are covered under copyright and do get protection, so this is not an example of what's claimed in the removed quote.
"In recent years, Apple has resumed threats of litigation in this area. Before the release of the Aqua GUI for Mac OS X, Apple threatened litigation against a Windows skin named WinAqua which was meant to emulate Apple's GUI based on a Mac OS X beta release. [1] Similarly, Stardock released a desktop enhancement program for customizing the theme in Windows, named DesktopX, which had a theme that was similar to Aqua. Apple, however, demanded the company remove "anything that even remotely looks like Aqua." [2]" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.214.40.164 ( talk) 18:39, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
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Though interesting, the quoted section below was removed from the last paragraph of the Background section. That the stock was "purchased as an investment and then later sold" has no relevancy. Certainly it doesn't improve on the "legendariness" of the story. Also the "story" referred to in the quote is not relevant, though still interesting. Should be good here in the discussion tab. There's already a link here in the discussion to a much fuller treatment of the Mac GUI thing, but for anyone interested in these details I'm linking it again here for reference: http://www.mackido.com/Interface/ui_history.html.
"(the story that Apple had given Xerox Board members stock in exchange for access to the research performed at PARC is a legend because the truth is that Xerox did, at one time, own stocks in Apple but they were purchased as an investment and sold later); [1]" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.214.40.164 ( talk) 18:55, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
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I think that the Windows Taskbar was actually based/ripped off from the NextStep Dock, and as we all know NextStep became "as one" with Apple and OS X inherited the Dock.
If I remember the story correctly, the 'technicality' was that the Xerox people didn't get it properly copyrighted before showing it to Apple. As the article stands, it leaves an aching feeling for what that technicality was, so can anyone modify the article and say for sure? -- Calamari 03:25, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Apple. v. Microsoft Corp. is the most complicated software copyright lawsuit to date"==
the most complicated... what about SCO v. IBM Linux lawsuit???
Mac OS dock is derived from the NeXTSTEP dock. But NeXT, Inc. was purchased by Apple (long before OS X) in 1996.
This section included the statement:
many features of the Macintosh and Windows GUIs have been incorporated into the windowing environments of unrelated third-parties, such as OpenWindows, X11, and Solaris.
I removed the "such as..." clause since there are no examples given of borrowing by any of these. None of them seems to be candidates for this claim in any event: OpenWindows used the OPEN LOOK L&F, co-developed by AT&T, Sun and Xerox, which predates the lawsuit. X11 does not have a specific L&F; rather, it's the underlying foundation for many different GUIs. Solaris' GUI environment is not unique to Solaris -- it's either CDE or GNOME, so unless there's some Solaris-specific modification to either of those that is in question, it would be more appropriate to call out which one has the borrowed elements, and what those elements are.
The underlying point is that any statement of borrowing needs to be backed by an example of which elements were borrowed, rather than just making an unsubstantiated blanket statement.-- NapoliRoma 19:37, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Should the page be moved to reflect Apple Computer, Inc.'s name change to Apple, Inc. ? Dravick 15:21, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Only if the associated court case is similarly renamed, which I doubt will happen in a million years. Squiggleslash 15:23, 26 March 2007 (UTC) Wikipediea is cools
Someone tell me if I am suffering from False Memory Syndrome... Did not Microsoft (presumably at the behest of Apple's lawyers) put rather absurd notices in the press asking users of Windows to refrain from moving or resizing windows until the suit was settled? Moletrouser ( talk) 09:02, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
The PARC_(Company) article says:
The lawsuit was dismissed because the presiding judge ruled "that Xerox's complaints were inappropriate for a variety of legal reasons," although apocryphal revisionist history insists that Xerox simply waited too long to file suit, and the statute of limitations had expired. This was not actually true; the dismissal of Xerox' legal complaint was not based simply on late filings, but rather a lack of legal merit to Xerox' case as it was presented.[3]
Therefore the PARC_(Company) article is saying that this article is part of the "revisionist history". I don't know which article is correct, but it would be nice if they were consistent.
Hlovatt ( talk) 07:48, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
The quoted section below was removed from the end of the "Impact" section of the article. If one reads the article, expressions (like the Aqua GUI components) are covered under copyright and do get protection, so this is not an example of what's claimed in the removed quote.
"In recent years, Apple has resumed threats of litigation in this area. Before the release of the Aqua GUI for Mac OS X, Apple threatened litigation against a Windows skin named WinAqua which was meant to emulate Apple's GUI based on a Mac OS X beta release. [1] Similarly, Stardock released a desktop enhancement program for customizing the theme in Windows, named DesktopX, which had a theme that was similar to Aqua. Apple, however, demanded the company remove "anything that even remotely looks like Aqua." [2]" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.214.40.164 ( talk) 18:39, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
References
Though interesting, the quoted section below was removed from the last paragraph of the Background section. That the stock was "purchased as an investment and then later sold" has no relevancy. Certainly it doesn't improve on the "legendariness" of the story. Also the "story" referred to in the quote is not relevant, though still interesting. Should be good here in the discussion tab. There's already a link here in the discussion to a much fuller treatment of the Mac GUI thing, but for anyone interested in these details I'm linking it again here for reference: http://www.mackido.com/Interface/ui_history.html.
"(the story that Apple had given Xerox Board members stock in exchange for access to the research performed at PARC is a legend because the truth is that Xerox did, at one time, own stocks in Apple but they were purchased as an investment and sold later); [1]" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.214.40.164 ( talk) 18:55, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
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