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As the source of the term from a Muscogean language is widely accepted, and "another hypothesis" in the Etymology section that it is derived from the European "appellation" is unsourced, I have removed that sentence with that highly doubtful claim. If someone can source it, by all means put it back in. Dwalls 21:22, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering why Barbara Kingsolver gets a mention under the "Popular Culture" heading but not under "Literature". She has a substantial literary reputations and, I believe, she grew up in eastern Kentucky. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.145.40.44 ( talk) 00:09, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
I recall hearing about it from a friend from Ellijay, Georgia a rural small town turning into an exurb of Atlanta, who knew about some of the proud yet struggling Appalachian peoples are fiddling with the idea of regional secession to make Appalachia an independent nation. There have been county and state secession plans in the region, due to the great socioeconomic and cultural differences between Appalachian people and newcomers moved into certain towns or cities. I didn't find anything on the google and yahoo search engines about the movement, must be a tongue-in-cheek humor on how Appalachia is a self-autonomous culture of its own. + 71.102.7.77 ( talk) 03:53, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
What was the point of moving this article to "Appalachia (region)"? Why was there no discussion on this? Bms4880 ( talk) 13:23, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move per request. (Full disclosure: I'm closing this early, and I participated in the discussion. However, there was strong and unanimous support for this, and by rights I think it could have been handled as an uncontroversial move. Orlady ( talk) 02:20, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Appalachia (region) → Appalachia — People searching for "Appalachia" are almost invariably searching for the region. There was no discussion on the previous move. The current "Appalachia" merely redirects to this page. Bms4880 ( talk) 20:42, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Once again, the article has been moved to Appalachia (Region), but now a new article has been created for Appalachia, describing it as a land area in the Mesazoic era. The consensus was to retain Appalachia for the present day area in the United States, and I, for one, do not appreciate the hostile takeover. Most people, 99 of 100, would be looking for the modern day Appalachia and have never heard of Mesazoic Appalachia. The primary "Appalachia" article should be the modern area, with disambiguation to the Mesazoic area. And as always, DISCUSSION before major changes like this should be the order of the day. Eastcote ( talk) 19:50, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
There is no mention of Cumberland Gap National Historical Park here, and there should be. Mari 21:09, 31 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MariAdkins ( talk • contribs)
Added it to the external links, saw the notation to add it to talk page as well, its the congressional definition so I'd be curious if any editor sees it as not encyclopedic. Thanks. Marketdiamond ( talk) 11:08, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
In looking at this new "regions" section -- now renamed to "Geologic Regions": The main article seems to suggest only five regions, with the Alleghenies part of the Ridge and Valley region. I am far from expert, but perhaps someone who is can comment/fix. -- B.S. Lawrence ( talk) 17:04, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
I happen to reside in Boone, NC.
I noticed that in the major cities list, Asheville is included, but Winston-Salem is not. I wouldn't argue that Winston-Salem is culturally in Appalachia or not - that would be difficult to determine. Winston-Salem does bear much influence of Appalachian music (for example, on WFDD). However, it is certainly in the Appalachian Regional Commission charter boundary (Forsyth County is listed here), and it is more than twice the size of Asheville. I would definitely argue that Roanoke, VA is culturally Appalachian, although it technically lies outside the ARC boundary. It is about the same size as Asheville. Charleston, WV is a state capitol... but it isn't listed.
What exactly makes a city "major" enough and Appalachian enough to be included on this list? -- Mm35173 ( talk) 22:32, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
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I note that the 1987 movie Matewan isn't included. Neither is the area history of the Matewan coal strike and the massacre, which the movie is based on. I don't really know enough about it to add it to this section. I do believe, though, that there are Wiki entries on both. Mari Adkins 06:20, 24 November 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MariAdkins ( talk • contribs)
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Population and Geography The claims in the first paragraph are mutually contradictory. It states that the region "stretches from the Southern Tier of New York State to northern Alabama and Georgia" but then states that "Appalachia [sic; no quotation marks] typically refers only to the cultural region of the central and southern portions of the range, from the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia southwest to the Great Smoky Mountains". But it then goes on to state that "In 2019, the region was home to an estimated 25.7 million people, of which roughly 81% are white". The problem is that this population figure comes from the original, ARC-specified region (New York through Mississippi) not from the smaller, supposedly "typical" range of Virginia through to the Little Tennessee River, whose total population would be FAR smaller. The article goes on at several points to confuse and arbitrarily mix these two definitions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ManifoldSky ( talk • contribs) 17:38, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Stereotyping While there is a tab that addresses stereotyping in this article, I still feel that there is some stereotyping when taking about religion and education. With Religion, I notice it mostly in talking about how their main education was about the bible and that they are significantly behind other states in education. I believe this is an unfair statement because the Appalachian Region is so large, consisting of 13 states including Kentucky, Ohio, and all of West Virginia.
Music - I feel that there is not enough information about music in the Appalachian Region. Bluegrass was started in Kentucky and widely influenced other types of music coming out of this region. It has become a huge part of Appalachian culture.
-article talks about Eastern Kentuckians moving to Cincinnati with the mechanization of coal mining and I found this interesting because my family moved from Owenton Kentucky to the very northern parts of Kentucky and Cincinnati.
Logging -does a good job of explaining, all trees in Daniel Boone National Forest and most wooded areas in Kentucky and other states have trees less than 100 years old due to such widespread logging. They cut all trees down for millions of acres until there was nothing and regrowth process was slow.
Coal Mining -does not mention income of workers specifically which I think is important to include. Also doesn't talk about the Coal Mining Towns that the miners and their families lived in. They had so much coal dust in their water that they could light it on fire. This was a really important part of Appalachian history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wainscemuc ( talk • contribs) 18:40, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
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The section in question seems to exclusively promote a single point of view, which acknowledges that it is not even the predominant point of view. Wikipedia articles should not be for promoting single-opinion agendas. Jaysbro ( talk) 01:11, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
I decided to change the previously arbitrary list of cities to a list of metropolitan statistical areas (MSAs) as defined by the 2020 census. This definition allows for a closed set of the most important urban areas in the region even if the principal city does not meet a certain population criteria, as was done previously, and places suburbs implicitly under their appropriate MSA instead of being stand alone items. However, @ Skyerise appears to have a strong desire to include Oneonta, New York on the page, yet the town is not defined as an MSA by the 2020 census. I strongly support limiting the list to MSAs in order to avoid an indiscriminate list, however I would like to hear y'all's thoughts before potentially starting an edit war. -- Leviavery ( talk) 19:32, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
As noted at the very beginning of the article, Appalachia is primarily a "cultural region", but the map of Appalachia shown in the infobox is from the solely economics-based Appalachian Regional Commission, as are all statistics shown. To a typical reader, this will be the first map they see and will give a variety of misconceptions about Appalachia (ranging from excluding large swathes of Appalachian Virginia to the controversial inclusion of areas like upstate New York and Mississippi). I believe these ARC maps should be swapped with the cultural definition map in the "Defining Appalachia" to better represent Appalachia without completely removing the importance of the ARC. I understand this would add some ambiguity, but I think Appalachia's borders are somewhat ambiguous. I would like to hear some feedback on this idea before I make any changes. Brooklaika ( talk) 22:01, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
Short story. This has been discussed before (check the archives). The consensus was that using any other definition than ARC would be a total headache. None of the previously proposed definitions and maps agree with each other. Which source does one take as definitive, one from 1896? 1914? And strangely, almost all the old maps on that page are labelled economic and social-economic maps. But isn't that the complaint against the ARC maps? Looks to me like Appalachia has always been socio-economically defined. Skyerise ( talk) 23:41, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
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As the source of the term from a Muscogean language is widely accepted, and "another hypothesis" in the Etymology section that it is derived from the European "appellation" is unsourced, I have removed that sentence with that highly doubtful claim. If someone can source it, by all means put it back in. Dwalls 21:22, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering why Barbara Kingsolver gets a mention under the "Popular Culture" heading but not under "Literature". She has a substantial literary reputations and, I believe, she grew up in eastern Kentucky. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.145.40.44 ( talk) 00:09, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
I recall hearing about it from a friend from Ellijay, Georgia a rural small town turning into an exurb of Atlanta, who knew about some of the proud yet struggling Appalachian peoples are fiddling with the idea of regional secession to make Appalachia an independent nation. There have been county and state secession plans in the region, due to the great socioeconomic and cultural differences between Appalachian people and newcomers moved into certain towns or cities. I didn't find anything on the google and yahoo search engines about the movement, must be a tongue-in-cheek humor on how Appalachia is a self-autonomous culture of its own. + 71.102.7.77 ( talk) 03:53, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
What was the point of moving this article to "Appalachia (region)"? Why was there no discussion on this? Bms4880 ( talk) 13:23, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move per request. (Full disclosure: I'm closing this early, and I participated in the discussion. However, there was strong and unanimous support for this, and by rights I think it could have been handled as an uncontroversial move. Orlady ( talk) 02:20, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Appalachia (region) → Appalachia — People searching for "Appalachia" are almost invariably searching for the region. There was no discussion on the previous move. The current "Appalachia" merely redirects to this page. Bms4880 ( talk) 20:42, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Once again, the article has been moved to Appalachia (Region), but now a new article has been created for Appalachia, describing it as a land area in the Mesazoic era. The consensus was to retain Appalachia for the present day area in the United States, and I, for one, do not appreciate the hostile takeover. Most people, 99 of 100, would be looking for the modern day Appalachia and have never heard of Mesazoic Appalachia. The primary "Appalachia" article should be the modern area, with disambiguation to the Mesazoic area. And as always, DISCUSSION before major changes like this should be the order of the day. Eastcote ( talk) 19:50, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
There is no mention of Cumberland Gap National Historical Park here, and there should be. Mari 21:09, 31 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MariAdkins ( talk • contribs)
Added it to the external links, saw the notation to add it to talk page as well, its the congressional definition so I'd be curious if any editor sees it as not encyclopedic. Thanks. Marketdiamond ( talk) 11:08, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
In looking at this new "regions" section -- now renamed to "Geologic Regions": The main article seems to suggest only five regions, with the Alleghenies part of the Ridge and Valley region. I am far from expert, but perhaps someone who is can comment/fix. -- B.S. Lawrence ( talk) 17:04, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
I happen to reside in Boone, NC.
I noticed that in the major cities list, Asheville is included, but Winston-Salem is not. I wouldn't argue that Winston-Salem is culturally in Appalachia or not - that would be difficult to determine. Winston-Salem does bear much influence of Appalachian music (for example, on WFDD). However, it is certainly in the Appalachian Regional Commission charter boundary (Forsyth County is listed here), and it is more than twice the size of Asheville. I would definitely argue that Roanoke, VA is culturally Appalachian, although it technically lies outside the ARC boundary. It is about the same size as Asheville. Charleston, WV is a state capitol... but it isn't listed.
What exactly makes a city "major" enough and Appalachian enough to be included on this list? -- Mm35173 ( talk) 22:32, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
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I note that the 1987 movie Matewan isn't included. Neither is the area history of the Matewan coal strike and the massacre, which the movie is based on. I don't really know enough about it to add it to this section. I do believe, though, that there are Wiki entries on both. Mari Adkins 06:20, 24 November 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MariAdkins ( talk • contribs)
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Appalachia:
Population and Geography The claims in the first paragraph are mutually contradictory. It states that the region "stretches from the Southern Tier of New York State to northern Alabama and Georgia" but then states that "Appalachia [sic; no quotation marks] typically refers only to the cultural region of the central and southern portions of the range, from the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia southwest to the Great Smoky Mountains". But it then goes on to state that "In 2019, the region was home to an estimated 25.7 million people, of which roughly 81% are white". The problem is that this population figure comes from the original, ARC-specified region (New York through Mississippi) not from the smaller, supposedly "typical" range of Virginia through to the Little Tennessee River, whose total population would be FAR smaller. The article goes on at several points to confuse and arbitrarily mix these two definitions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ManifoldSky ( talk • contribs) 17:38, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Stereotyping While there is a tab that addresses stereotyping in this article, I still feel that there is some stereotyping when taking about religion and education. With Religion, I notice it mostly in talking about how their main education was about the bible and that they are significantly behind other states in education. I believe this is an unfair statement because the Appalachian Region is so large, consisting of 13 states including Kentucky, Ohio, and all of West Virginia.
Music - I feel that there is not enough information about music in the Appalachian Region. Bluegrass was started in Kentucky and widely influenced other types of music coming out of this region. It has become a huge part of Appalachian culture.
-article talks about Eastern Kentuckians moving to Cincinnati with the mechanization of coal mining and I found this interesting because my family moved from Owenton Kentucky to the very northern parts of Kentucky and Cincinnati.
Logging -does a good job of explaining, all trees in Daniel Boone National Forest and most wooded areas in Kentucky and other states have trees less than 100 years old due to such widespread logging. They cut all trees down for millions of acres until there was nothing and regrowth process was slow.
Coal Mining -does not mention income of workers specifically which I think is important to include. Also doesn't talk about the Coal Mining Towns that the miners and their families lived in. They had so much coal dust in their water that they could light it on fire. This was a really important part of Appalachian history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wainscemuc ( talk • contribs) 18:40, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
Greetings,
I am working on a story for the outlet 100 Days in Appalachia about Appalachia Wiki editors on Wikipedia. I would like to extend an invitation to the editors of the Appalachia Wiki to participate in an interview for my story. If you would be interested, please let me know.
Writerinappalachia ( talk) 15:31, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
The section in question seems to exclusively promote a single point of view, which acknowledges that it is not even the predominant point of view. Wikipedia articles should not be for promoting single-opinion agendas. Jaysbro ( talk) 01:11, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
I decided to change the previously arbitrary list of cities to a list of metropolitan statistical areas (MSAs) as defined by the 2020 census. This definition allows for a closed set of the most important urban areas in the region even if the principal city does not meet a certain population criteria, as was done previously, and places suburbs implicitly under their appropriate MSA instead of being stand alone items. However, @ Skyerise appears to have a strong desire to include Oneonta, New York on the page, yet the town is not defined as an MSA by the 2020 census. I strongly support limiting the list to MSAs in order to avoid an indiscriminate list, however I would like to hear y'all's thoughts before potentially starting an edit war. -- Leviavery ( talk) 19:32, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
As noted at the very beginning of the article, Appalachia is primarily a "cultural region", but the map of Appalachia shown in the infobox is from the solely economics-based Appalachian Regional Commission, as are all statistics shown. To a typical reader, this will be the first map they see and will give a variety of misconceptions about Appalachia (ranging from excluding large swathes of Appalachian Virginia to the controversial inclusion of areas like upstate New York and Mississippi). I believe these ARC maps should be swapped with the cultural definition map in the "Defining Appalachia" to better represent Appalachia without completely removing the importance of the ARC. I understand this would add some ambiguity, but I think Appalachia's borders are somewhat ambiguous. I would like to hear some feedback on this idea before I make any changes. Brooklaika ( talk) 22:01, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
Short story. This has been discussed before (check the archives). The consensus was that using any other definition than ARC would be a total headache. None of the previously proposed definitions and maps agree with each other. Which source does one take as definitive, one from 1896? 1914? And strangely, almost all the old maps on that page are labelled economic and social-economic maps. But isn't that the complaint against the ARC maps? Looks to me like Appalachia has always been socio-economically defined. Skyerise ( talk) 23:41, 31 July 2023 (UTC)