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I have recently edited this discussion after i found that the author or someone else who had come through and edited had put a political statement in here trying to force their political opinion on this discussion. Even though i am very into politics i firmly say as most people somethings need to stay unbiased and remain netral for a good source of information.
-Salty Dawg Over and Over — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:100E:B13A:771E:5D38:5FDA:6D99:CFFD ( talk) 18:50, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
- Hi, I reverted the edit because what was removed seemed to be relevant material from a reliable source. I appreciate you bringing the issue to the Talk page for discussion. The paragraph in question is about a study by Hussain and Millar published by the ESRC. The conclusions seem relevant to the topic of the article. Could I clarify -- is it your position that the article text was not a correct summary of the source, or is it that you feel the source to be unreliable, or perhaps something else? I note you say the contribution was "political opinion", however, it seems to be reporting survey findings, not merely stating one author's opinion. If it does represent a POV perhaps it needs balancing by opposing views from other sources. FrankP ( talk) 19:25, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
I wonder if there should be a section on the Anglophobia present in on-line spaces, like websites such as Reddit. This and sites like it are popular sites for discussion of numerous topics and often host Anglopbic views and expressions. 2A02:C7C:3324:8A00:7EA8:8221:FB6:9ACF ( talk) 01:54, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
I've noticed for quite sometime that if a famous person was born in Ireland, and then lived most of his life (often from childhood) in England, then his English(/British) nationality is more often than not ignored. For example: /info/en/?search=Des_Lynam
Des Lynham is an Irish-born, British presenter...
That is a fact, no matter what one's political views may be.
Also, it's often the case that if someone was born in Ireland, one can click on 'Ireland', and it leads to the article about that particular country. If someone is born in the USA or England, then there is almost never a direct link. I'm sure that's the case with most counties, but why is a special case made for Ireland?
Just wondering... I've noticed this on Wikipedia since about 2005.
I wish Wikipedia editors would just stick to facts, and leave politics out of biographical data. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sincilton ( talk • contribs) 21:34, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- @ Sincilton: This has very little to do with the article and is a general observation/opinion on conventions on the encylopædia, which doesn't belong here.
- To answer your question, however, the convention on ethnonyms I have observed is generally assuming of the place in which the person spent most of their life if little is known of their actual ethnicity or origins. In the case of Des Lynham his origin is Irish, he was born in Ireland and at one point had an Irish accent, therefore it would be undeniable to call him Irish. If nothing was known he would generally be called English, but not British. British is not really an ethnicity but more of a nationality, mirrored by the fact that most of the indigenous peoples of Britain prefer English/Scottish/Welsh/Romani/etc rather than British to describe themselves. Backed up by origins, place of birth and place of residence, what a person describes themselves as generally takes priority, usually after much debate if controversial. In the case of Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington, he was born in Ireland to parents who were Irish, well more accurately Anglo Irish, and described himself as being from Ireland. His ethnonym has been highly debated, but settled on Anglo-Irish.
- Politics have little to do with it, but more so geography and heritage.
- Due to actual politics and the highly controversial, and huge divisions it has caused on Wikipedia, "Ireland" generally refers to the island, whereas the country is referred to as the "Republic of Ireland". Believe me, this has been debated the crap out of and made a lot of people very mad, including veteran editors. It's such an issue that there is in fact a style manual on the English Wikipedia that sets guidelines in relation to articles and content related to the Island of Ireland, especially geographic names. See here: MOS:IRELAND
- I hope I helped! :) UaMaol ( talk) 21:20, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
USA section of 18,736 bytes was deleted on August 10, 2021 by user 2409:4061:2dca:e4d4:e17f:286:a275:f682 -- he tried to move it to the Anti-British article but it was rejected there, and he quit Wikipedia. He left the bibliography re USA untouched. I have restored the USA section as it existed on July 30, 2021 = https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Anti-English_sentiment&oldid=1036276313 Rjensen ( talk) 23:45, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
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I have recently edited this discussion after i found that the author or someone else who had come through and edited had put a political statement in here trying to force their political opinion on this discussion. Even though i am very into politics i firmly say as most people somethings need to stay unbiased and remain netral for a good source of information.
-Salty Dawg Over and Over — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:100E:B13A:771E:5D38:5FDA:6D99:CFFD ( talk) 18:50, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
- Hi, I reverted the edit because what was removed seemed to be relevant material from a reliable source. I appreciate you bringing the issue to the Talk page for discussion. The paragraph in question is about a study by Hussain and Millar published by the ESRC. The conclusions seem relevant to the topic of the article. Could I clarify -- is it your position that the article text was not a correct summary of the source, or is it that you feel the source to be unreliable, or perhaps something else? I note you say the contribution was "political opinion", however, it seems to be reporting survey findings, not merely stating one author's opinion. If it does represent a POV perhaps it needs balancing by opposing views from other sources. FrankP ( talk) 19:25, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
I wonder if there should be a section on the Anglophobia present in on-line spaces, like websites such as Reddit. This and sites like it are popular sites for discussion of numerous topics and often host Anglopbic views and expressions. 2A02:C7C:3324:8A00:7EA8:8221:FB6:9ACF ( talk) 01:54, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
I've noticed for quite sometime that if a famous person was born in Ireland, and then lived most of his life (often from childhood) in England, then his English(/British) nationality is more often than not ignored. For example: /info/en/?search=Des_Lynam
Des Lynham is an Irish-born, British presenter...
That is a fact, no matter what one's political views may be.
Also, it's often the case that if someone was born in Ireland, one can click on 'Ireland', and it leads to the article about that particular country. If someone is born in the USA or England, then there is almost never a direct link. I'm sure that's the case with most counties, but why is a special case made for Ireland?
Just wondering... I've noticed this on Wikipedia since about 2005.
I wish Wikipedia editors would just stick to facts, and leave politics out of biographical data. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sincilton ( talk • contribs) 21:34, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- @ Sincilton: This has very little to do with the article and is a general observation/opinion on conventions on the encylopædia, which doesn't belong here.
- To answer your question, however, the convention on ethnonyms I have observed is generally assuming of the place in which the person spent most of their life if little is known of their actual ethnicity or origins. In the case of Des Lynham his origin is Irish, he was born in Ireland and at one point had an Irish accent, therefore it would be undeniable to call him Irish. If nothing was known he would generally be called English, but not British. British is not really an ethnicity but more of a nationality, mirrored by the fact that most of the indigenous peoples of Britain prefer English/Scottish/Welsh/Romani/etc rather than British to describe themselves. Backed up by origins, place of birth and place of residence, what a person describes themselves as generally takes priority, usually after much debate if controversial. In the case of Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington, he was born in Ireland to parents who were Irish, well more accurately Anglo Irish, and described himself as being from Ireland. His ethnonym has been highly debated, but settled on Anglo-Irish.
- Politics have little to do with it, but more so geography and heritage.
- Due to actual politics and the highly controversial, and huge divisions it has caused on Wikipedia, "Ireland" generally refers to the island, whereas the country is referred to as the "Republic of Ireland". Believe me, this has been debated the crap out of and made a lot of people very mad, including veteran editors. It's such an issue that there is in fact a style manual on the English Wikipedia that sets guidelines in relation to articles and content related to the Island of Ireland, especially geographic names. See here: MOS:IRELAND
- I hope I helped! :) UaMaol ( talk) 21:20, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
USA section of 18,736 bytes was deleted on August 10, 2021 by user 2409:4061:2dca:e4d4:e17f:286:a275:f682 -- he tried to move it to the Anti-British article but it was rejected there, and he quit Wikipedia. He left the bibliography re USA untouched. I have restored the USA section as it existed on July 30, 2021 = https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Anti-English_sentiment&oldid=1036276313 Rjensen ( talk) 23:45, 28 March 2024 (UTC)