Animal model of schizophrenia was a Natural sciences good articles nominee, but did not meet the
good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be
renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Neuroscience, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
Neuroscience on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.NeuroscienceWikipedia:WikiProject NeuroscienceTemplate:WikiProject Neuroscienceneuroscience articles
Can the lead, with a sentence or two maybe, describe which species are the best models when, or if there is a significant gap/unidentified need in a certain area? This is an ignorant comment, I assume this knowledge exists.
I think "models were the most widely used, these" should be "models, were the most widely used. These" in the lead
Should it be "Pharmacological models manipulate" if they are still used? All that is said in the lead is just that the historical models were the most widely used, they could logically still be a minority of research.
Maybe we could also get some clarification for readers on the difference between a positive and a negative symptom
I hope these are helpful so far. I limited my scrutiny to the lead, without looking at the body.
Biosthmors (
talk) 21:34, 23 November 2012 (UTC)reply
I think the phenotype section looks odd. Might it be better as
WP:PROSE? Or prose and tables? Or prose and a list? It seems like it is too much of a prose list at this point.
Biosthmors (
talk) 17:07, 3 December 2012 (UTC)reply
I see where you're coming from there, but I'm not sure if I agree. If this was changed into full prose, it would likely make a a bad paragraph, or a few very short paragraphs. The list format itself is approved of in
MOS:LIST, and I think it complies with
WP:PROSE, because the list is essentially a
glossary.
Quasihuman (
talk •
contribs) 14:37, 18 December 2012 (UTC)reply
I notice there is a 2002 source that is cited a fair amount of times. Might we be able to replace it with more recent ones?
Biosthmors (
talk) 00:14, 4 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Note: Hi Tomcat, and thanks for reviewing the article. Just to let you know that I won't be available to respond to your comments for about a week due to university exams this week and next. If you decide to put the review on hold to allow issues to be resolved, I hope you don't mind if it takes longer than expected to complete the review. I will be back actively editing on the 18th of December, and I may do some editing in between if I have time. Thank's again,
Quasihuman (
talk •
contribs) 15:12, 10 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Sorry for the delay.
", this comes from the discovery of increased L-DOPA decarboxylase levels in the brains of these patients." - you can not split main clauses by placing a comma; either convert it to a semicolon, or reword.
Are only rats and mices used? If yes, why exactly.
The language is tough but I guess it is ok for medicine articles. --
Tomcat(
7) 16:13, 19 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Both issues fixed now, I think. I would appreciate it if you could give an example or two of where the language could be improved (even if it's not an issue for the GA criteria). I'd like to make the article accessible to the general reader, while remaining precise and accurate (a difficult balance to strike for technical topics). Thanks again for the review.
Quasihuman (
talk •
contribs) 16:44, 19 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Comment by
Sasata (
talk) 06:38, 20 December 2012 (UTC)reply
This is a topic with a large body of literature, and it seems odd that only 9 references were used. I have my doubts that this topic can be adequately summarized in the 1700 words currently comprising the article. Did none of these articles (all
secondary sources (i.e. reviews), published since 2010, and therefore
WP:MEDRS-compliant) have any relevant information?
I also find it odd that a recent (2011), 290-page text by a leading
authority in the field (Patricio O'Donnell; several of the reviews above are authored by him) was cited only once (no page #, by the way). Was there nothing in this book that could be used to help fill out this article?
On the O'Donnell book, I only have access to a number of pages via the Springer website. My university library does not provide full access. On the other sources, and comprehensiveness concerns, I will review the situation and have a response probably tomorrow.
Quasihuman (
talk •
contribs) 09:43, 20 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Any updates on the sourcing front? Maybe failing for now would be best until the writer's had time to get through some of them.
Wizardman 00:02, 14 January 2013 (UTC)reply
I'm not the reviewer, but I'd agree, especially as Quasihuman has been inactive since December 21.
Sasata (
talk) 20:47, 17 January 2013 (UTC)reply
Yes, I left Quasihuman a message. I hope they are doing OK. They can always make edits to improve the article and then re-nominate. I encourage them to do so if they become active again.
Biosthmors (
talk) 21:36, 17 January 2013 (UTC)reply
Closing per above.
Wizardman 05:56, 19 January 2013 (UTC)reply
Animal model of schizophrenia was a Natural sciences good articles nominee, but did not meet the
good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be
renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Neuroscience, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
Neuroscience on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.NeuroscienceWikipedia:WikiProject NeuroscienceTemplate:WikiProject Neuroscienceneuroscience articles
Can the lead, with a sentence or two maybe, describe which species are the best models when, or if there is a significant gap/unidentified need in a certain area? This is an ignorant comment, I assume this knowledge exists.
I think "models were the most widely used, these" should be "models, were the most widely used. These" in the lead
Should it be "Pharmacological models manipulate" if they are still used? All that is said in the lead is just that the historical models were the most widely used, they could logically still be a minority of research.
Maybe we could also get some clarification for readers on the difference between a positive and a negative symptom
I hope these are helpful so far. I limited my scrutiny to the lead, without looking at the body.
Biosthmors (
talk) 21:34, 23 November 2012 (UTC)reply
I think the phenotype section looks odd. Might it be better as
WP:PROSE? Or prose and tables? Or prose and a list? It seems like it is too much of a prose list at this point.
Biosthmors (
talk) 17:07, 3 December 2012 (UTC)reply
I see where you're coming from there, but I'm not sure if I agree. If this was changed into full prose, it would likely make a a bad paragraph, or a few very short paragraphs. The list format itself is approved of in
MOS:LIST, and I think it complies with
WP:PROSE, because the list is essentially a
glossary.
Quasihuman (
talk •
contribs) 14:37, 18 December 2012 (UTC)reply
I notice there is a 2002 source that is cited a fair amount of times. Might we be able to replace it with more recent ones?
Biosthmors (
talk) 00:14, 4 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Note: Hi Tomcat, and thanks for reviewing the article. Just to let you know that I won't be available to respond to your comments for about a week due to university exams this week and next. If you decide to put the review on hold to allow issues to be resolved, I hope you don't mind if it takes longer than expected to complete the review. I will be back actively editing on the 18th of December, and I may do some editing in between if I have time. Thank's again,
Quasihuman (
talk •
contribs) 15:12, 10 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Sorry for the delay.
", this comes from the discovery of increased L-DOPA decarboxylase levels in the brains of these patients." - you can not split main clauses by placing a comma; either convert it to a semicolon, or reword.
Are only rats and mices used? If yes, why exactly.
The language is tough but I guess it is ok for medicine articles. --
Tomcat(
7) 16:13, 19 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Both issues fixed now, I think. I would appreciate it if you could give an example or two of where the language could be improved (even if it's not an issue for the GA criteria). I'd like to make the article accessible to the general reader, while remaining precise and accurate (a difficult balance to strike for technical topics). Thanks again for the review.
Quasihuman (
talk •
contribs) 16:44, 19 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Comment by
Sasata (
talk) 06:38, 20 December 2012 (UTC)reply
This is a topic with a large body of literature, and it seems odd that only 9 references were used. I have my doubts that this topic can be adequately summarized in the 1700 words currently comprising the article. Did none of these articles (all
secondary sources (i.e. reviews), published since 2010, and therefore
WP:MEDRS-compliant) have any relevant information?
I also find it odd that a recent (2011), 290-page text by a leading
authority in the field (Patricio O'Donnell; several of the reviews above are authored by him) was cited only once (no page #, by the way). Was there nothing in this book that could be used to help fill out this article?
On the O'Donnell book, I only have access to a number of pages via the Springer website. My university library does not provide full access. On the other sources, and comprehensiveness concerns, I will review the situation and have a response probably tomorrow.
Quasihuman (
talk •
contribs) 09:43, 20 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Any updates on the sourcing front? Maybe failing for now would be best until the writer's had time to get through some of them.
Wizardman 00:02, 14 January 2013 (UTC)reply
I'm not the reviewer, but I'd agree, especially as Quasihuman has been inactive since December 21.
Sasata (
talk) 20:47, 17 January 2013 (UTC)reply
Yes, I left Quasihuman a message. I hope they are doing OK. They can always make edits to improve the article and then re-nominate. I encourage them to do so if they become active again.
Biosthmors (
talk) 21:36, 17 January 2013 (UTC)reply
Closing per above.
Wizardman 05:56, 19 January 2013 (UTC)reply