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is Andy Borowitz jewish? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.94.1.64 ( talk) 20:10, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
An apparently satirical column was turned into an article, Pope Emeritus (rapper), lets hope the media dont discover we believed it. unless, of course, its true... Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 01:56, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
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I have found out recently that the criticism section and its written content, which I remembered to have existed a few years ago, has vanished from the article. Checking the edit history, it looks like a rarely used IP editor 72.215.236.232 has without warning blanked the section. IP user 173.77.0.185 disagreed with it and undid the blank, and user Terry Foote suddenly swooped in and reverted the undo. This led to an edit war with the section left gone without any constructive discussion in this talk page.
This same user has been involved in other cases of deleting any insertion of criticism content from this article. The user's edit reasons are not convincing - Terry Foote is defending this drive-by section blanking by IP 72.215.236.232 while accusing 173.77.0.185 of being agenda-driven instead of presuming good faith, when all the latter was trying to do was to undo a blanking out of genuine disagreement, and restore things as it was until an agreed resolution can be achieved in the talk page. As advocates of a major change it's on Terry Foote and that other IP user to justify the change. The edit reason of "Reverted, and I'll continue to revert" doesn't make me confident either, as it's a sign of defiance that refuses to resolve the matter via discussion.
If editors disagree that there should be a criticism "section" then the critiques should instead be weaved into the article some other way, not blanketed whole. The problem here is that this article currently has many descriptions lavishing praise on Borowitz as a humorist, but a couple of editors are adamant about erasing any trace of commentary that do not favor his humor. These forms of commentary are well-sourced encyclopedic content, reporting on what commentators actually said and not some made up OR. 2603:8000:B600:4000:3485:C2A6:1AF7:FB80 ( talk) 04:57, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
Here's the thing: if the article is showered with opinionated comments about how funny his works are, then opinionated pieces that have less charitable views about his humor also belong in the article. Aside from the evaluation about whether he's funny, he's also been criticized for repeatedly hashing out obvious satires that would just repeat what the readers already know or think, rather than using satire as a tool to help people get informed (source wweek.com). His recent book, Profiles in Ignorance: How America's Politicians Got Dumb and Dumber, was critiqued by this article in Slate which states that Borowitz's overemphasis on intellectual deficiency in politics is misplaced.
And what I think is the most important concern - Borowitz, to my knowledge, has never worked as an actual (non-satirical) journalist in his life, and yet Google news feeds prominently mix in The Borowitz Report alongside other news articles, and it's not necessarily apparent when you open the articles in The New Yorker magazine that it's not actual news. I don't know if Google, The New Yorker, or Borowitz himself is to blame for this ( this WWD article states it's something with the Google algorithm), but it's irritating when they show up among the actual news you're looking for, although later on they have Borowitz's articles showing up with notes like "Satire" and "Not the news". And it goes beyond annoyance, as there's a concern about misinformation with these satires accidentally picked up as real. Borowitz, for his part, gave his thoughts about fake news, as reported in this LoHud article. This would all be encyclopedic content if written correctly.
By the way, The New Yorker's hosting of The Borowitz Report in late 2023 (sources in Deadline and Variety), so that should be added to the article, too. 104.175.78.152 ( talk) 06:08, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
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is Andy Borowitz jewish? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.94.1.64 ( talk) 20:10, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
An apparently satirical column was turned into an article, Pope Emeritus (rapper), lets hope the media dont discover we believed it. unless, of course, its true... Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 01:56, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
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I have found out recently that the criticism section and its written content, which I remembered to have existed a few years ago, has vanished from the article. Checking the edit history, it looks like a rarely used IP editor 72.215.236.232 has without warning blanked the section. IP user 173.77.0.185 disagreed with it and undid the blank, and user Terry Foote suddenly swooped in and reverted the undo. This led to an edit war with the section left gone without any constructive discussion in this talk page.
This same user has been involved in other cases of deleting any insertion of criticism content from this article. The user's edit reasons are not convincing - Terry Foote is defending this drive-by section blanking by IP 72.215.236.232 while accusing 173.77.0.185 of being agenda-driven instead of presuming good faith, when all the latter was trying to do was to undo a blanking out of genuine disagreement, and restore things as it was until an agreed resolution can be achieved in the talk page. As advocates of a major change it's on Terry Foote and that other IP user to justify the change. The edit reason of "Reverted, and I'll continue to revert" doesn't make me confident either, as it's a sign of defiance that refuses to resolve the matter via discussion.
If editors disagree that there should be a criticism "section" then the critiques should instead be weaved into the article some other way, not blanketed whole. The problem here is that this article currently has many descriptions lavishing praise on Borowitz as a humorist, but a couple of editors are adamant about erasing any trace of commentary that do not favor his humor. These forms of commentary are well-sourced encyclopedic content, reporting on what commentators actually said and not some made up OR. 2603:8000:B600:4000:3485:C2A6:1AF7:FB80 ( talk) 04:57, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
Here's the thing: if the article is showered with opinionated comments about how funny his works are, then opinionated pieces that have less charitable views about his humor also belong in the article. Aside from the evaluation about whether he's funny, he's also been criticized for repeatedly hashing out obvious satires that would just repeat what the readers already know or think, rather than using satire as a tool to help people get informed (source wweek.com). His recent book, Profiles in Ignorance: How America's Politicians Got Dumb and Dumber, was critiqued by this article in Slate which states that Borowitz's overemphasis on intellectual deficiency in politics is misplaced.
And what I think is the most important concern - Borowitz, to my knowledge, has never worked as an actual (non-satirical) journalist in his life, and yet Google news feeds prominently mix in The Borowitz Report alongside other news articles, and it's not necessarily apparent when you open the articles in The New Yorker magazine that it's not actual news. I don't know if Google, The New Yorker, or Borowitz himself is to blame for this ( this WWD article states it's something with the Google algorithm), but it's irritating when they show up among the actual news you're looking for, although later on they have Borowitz's articles showing up with notes like "Satire" and "Not the news". And it goes beyond annoyance, as there's a concern about misinformation with these satires accidentally picked up as real. Borowitz, for his part, gave his thoughts about fake news, as reported in this LoHud article. This would all be encyclopedic content if written correctly.
By the way, The New Yorker's hosting of The Borowitz Report in late 2023 (sources in Deadline and Variety), so that should be added to the article, too. 104.175.78.152 ( talk) 06:08, 14 April 2024 (UTC)