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Given that Americans is just the plural for American the discussion should go to the latest. Godot 21:13, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
The claim of a copyright infringement of [1] is highly questionable since the statement made on that site looks as though it was copied and pasted from the culture section of the United States article. M5891 ( talk) 21:07, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
This article is intended to describe the people of the United States as a whole, as opposed to other articles such as Demographics of the United States which focus more on dissecting by race, ancestry, ethnicity, etc.
Compare this article to that of Brazilian people. M5891 ( talk) 21:23, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
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Except for affluent or budget-seeking retirees and members or personnel of the US Armed forces in overseas bases, are there more historical collection of American emigrants in other nations in hope and in search of opportunity they failed to find in their home country? The greatgrandfather of Mexican president Vicente Fox Quesada is an example. What about vietnam-war era draft dodgers whom fled to Canada? You can bring up the case of former U.S. president Bill Clinton when he was a young man in the 1960's had a college student deferment in Oxford university in Great Britain. And the descendants of African-Americans in Sierra Leone and Liberia, to return to a land where their ancestors came from long ago, can be worth mentioning. The number of American expats are 4 to 5 million (correct), over a third of them are in Latin America, a quarter are in Asia, one-fifth in Europe and something like one-eighth in the Middle East, while the remainder are in Oceania (Australia and New Zealand), the vast number of American expats went to these countries in disdain on George W. Bush's war on terror and economic policies, including a few "Kerryites" or liberal-minded Democratic voters whom publicly said if Bush was re-elected (and that he was) they will emigrate out of the U.S. The American people aren't really known for a massive exodus out of their homeland in their previous history, but there's a pioneering spirit our ancestors had in the last five centuries when they venture outward in the frontiers often into new lands far away.+ 71.102.2.206 ( talk) 06:11, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
There is a sentence under the article that says "there are over 1 billion people" or something like... I will remove it... I think its unsourced and it appears to not be relevant to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.218.86.48 ( talk) 00:17, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
I just want to say "good job" to whomever constructed the photo montage in the infobox. Never have I seen the good, bad, and ugly faces of America summed up so succinctly. (I leave it to you which is which). Beeblebrox ( talk) 19:26, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Why is he notable enough to be included in the list of examples of Americans? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tancrisism ( talk • contribs) 22:02, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
On a similar note, why Michael Steele as an example? Why not someone of more historical clout? (Martin Luther King, Andrew Jackson...even the Marx Brothers). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.7.87.80 ( talk) 01:19, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
She is not a very notable person world wide and Micheal Jackson sold more then half of her all time record sales with one record. We also need more writers and already have elvis and jackson. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.231.28.185 ( talk) 09:52, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Ummm Madonna did NOT sell more records than Elvis or Michael Jackson so IDK where you coming from with she's the best selling solo artist of all time she might be the best selling female solo artist. Here's an example: Michael Jackson's Thriller sold over 100 million albums worldwide and his total album sales are said to be around 750 million - 1 billion. Elvis is said to have sold over 1 billion albums in total. Madonna sold around 190 million - 200 million in total of all her albums. We should also know by now that the Billboard magazines are not always to be trusted not long ago Lady GaGa was on the top 10 with her short career. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ADKIc3mAnX ( talk • contribs) 21:56, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
The United States is split about 50-50 men/women, but all but one of the pics are of American men. 67.121.155.62 ( talk) 08:05, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
I've replaced the messy spread of various image files with a single-image collage as can be found on the Brazilian people and Spanish American articles. In my collage are, Rosa Parks, Oprah Winfrey, Amelia Earhart, and Ellen DeGeneres. If/when someone wants me to change the collage to include more people/different people, I can be contacted on my talk page. On the other hand, if someone wants to put work in themselves, the Russians article has a nicer setup, with multiple images cropped to dimensions that resize well together, which I believe is a better model than the "single image collage" one I have used. Of course, if someone wants to edit the collage themselves, they can, given they update the article and the Commons description. --▲ MANATH The Mage Singer ( talk) ▲ 04:57, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
"Derived from the traditions of Western European migrants, beginning with the early English and Dutch (ethnic SUPER AWSOME MEGA LOLZ" ...really? 91.33.182.140 ( talk) 22:02, 14 July 2010 (UTC) Apparently so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spinoff ( talk • contribs) 23:58, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
The article asserts in the lede sentence, that the people of the US must be citizens.
The people of the United States, U.S. Americans, or simply Americans or American people, are citizens of the United States.
Is that really so? Who says? Or by what authority would we say that? Since Wikipedia takes a neutral point of view I would think that would be true for an article entitled "Citizens of the United States" but not for one entitled "People of the United States". Would not the people of the United States include all who live here? For example, say my friend is a Visiting Scholar from South Korea, who lives with his family in the US for two years. They rent lodgings, they buy and cook food, and participate in civic events and much of ordinary live in the US. Are not those folks a part of the "people of the United States", at least for the two years they were here, 2007 through 2009? Does anyone else have a problem with this definitional confusion, or if intentional, a point-of-view sleight of hand? N2e ( talk) 21:38, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
I made an image gallery, but I'm not very good with wikicode, so now the page could use some cleanup. Also, I'd like some better pictures of Edna St Vincent Millay, Sidney Poitier, Michael Jackson, and Allen Ginsberg, but I don't have the time to dig out some copy-write free pictures of them. Ginsberg looks alright, but I'd like something that show's Millay's face. I also wanted to include Bob Hope and Oprah Winfrey, but there were no decent shots of them. I think the current lineup is good, and any more people will just make the page look a mess.
The purpose of this image gallery is to give a more indepth look at specific Americans. All of them are famous, yet some obscure to many people. Hopefully this will cause people to look them up and learn about them. -- IronMaidenRocks ( talk) 17:35, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
This kind of list tends to attract unnecessary contention unless objective inclusion criteria can be established. Pulling Americans from popular lists such as The Greatest American, [3], Time 100/ Time 100: The Most Important People of the Century could help. There's already a small gallery at the top of the page, and you see how that changed just within the past month: previous, current. — Mrwojo ( talk) 01:05, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
I removed the top gallery, because the current one had pictures of people who were not even American citizens. If you want a top gallery, think about your choices. Also, the picture itself is in terms of what People Magazine believes are notable Americans. I think Benjamin Franklin is a bit more notable than Serena Williams. -- IronMaidenRocks ( talk) 19:15, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
As being over 5% of the population why are there no Asian Americans in the image gallery? -- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 22:36, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
Shouldnt this article be called Americans or American people??....this is not just the most common term used to describe citizens of the United States but it is the only term used in the english language...as this is the english language wikipedia then this would not have any confusion as soe other lagnuages do refer to Americans as being from the whole American continant, but this isnbt the case as we dont call Brazilian people, Argentine people or Colombian people Americans. Even the article uses the term all the time as Americans....not to mention American culture, American cinema or American Idol are just examples as to how Americans themselves are called. I really think this should be changed to get the article looking as good as some of the other people artilces. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Armenia81 ( talk • contribs) 19:30, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
I redirected this to People of the United States as that is the term most commonly applied to them, but am I going to get flak from South Americans? or Central Americans? Is it arrogant to associate "American" with strictly People of the United States? (I'm Canadian btw) -- œ ™ 21:41, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian ( talk) 03:23, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
People of the United States → Americans — Per Talk:People of the United States#Article name.2Ftitle.-- Twilightchill t 13:27, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Presently there are only two major groups included in the article as of this posting; however, other significant groups are presently missing, including (but not limited to) Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans, and Native Americans. Is there a good reason for this? If there is not, should subsections be created for these groups (and possibly others), and if so what threshold should be required for the size of population for a ethnic group be included in this article. -- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 09:12, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
No, there's no reason for this, and quite frankly, offensive to Americans of non-European/African ancestry. Someone needs to expand this. JamesJiansen ( talk) 20:14, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Now there are three major groups, however, the largest minority group is missing. Made me wonder if there was some jerk just erasing any mention of Hispanics at all in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.188.156.105 ( talk) 23:49, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Beginning of August, and still no sign of Hispanics anywhere within the United States or the American diaspora. It's like they've vanished from the face of the Earth...at least, that is, if Wikipedia is your only exposure to the outside world. Ho-hum. -- SchutteGod ( talk) 03:06, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
That's what happens when the "largest minority" is a collection of races, religions and ethnicities bound together by the shaky bond of "we lived in a Spanish speaking country once". Also 1/4 Hispanics are illegal, so stop whining. 76.78.246.49 ( talk) 04:35, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
but I would like to propose, in the gallery, replacing Michael Jackson with Lefty Gomez. There are 4 blacks in the gallery, to represent 12% of the population. There is only one Hispanic person, while that group is 16% of America's . . . I mean the United States' population. Plus there are many entertainers in the gallery and no sports figures. Gomez in a baseball Hall of Famer as well as being Hispanic. Not well known? well most Americans are not well known, I see that as no problem. However being new to this article I am reluctant to make changes without mentioning them here first. Einar aka Carptrash ( talk) 22:09, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
Removed edit (please include Michael Jackson, his photo and mention of the Jacksons, being American and African-Americans, as it is relevant.): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Michael_Jackson_1984.jpg Pop music legend Michael Jackson and the Jackson Five made up of his brothers, and his sister Janet Jackson are African-Americans widely known in the world. 71.102.1.101 ( talk) 22:59, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of People of the United States's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "b02001":
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The result of the move request was: Move page to Americans. ProhibitOnions (T) 06:31, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
People of the United States →
Americans — Relisted.
Vegaswikian (
talk) 22:38, 9 May 2011 (UTC) This is the English-language Wikipedia, so we should be following English conventions. In English, the term "Americans" does not refer to denizens of South America, Central America, or the rest of North America. The term "Americans" refers to denizens of the United States. We need to be consistent. The article for Irish Americans, for example, isn't called "People of the United States of Irish descent." It's called "Irish Americans." "Americans" is also the most common term for the subject of this article. The term "Americans" is not ambiguous in the English language.
Macarion (
talk) 08:33, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
In "every" single article here on wiki, they are described as - examples from their articles:Barack Hussein Obama II. He is the first "African American" to hold the office. Michael Joseph Jackson was an "American" recording artist. Marilyn Monroe born Norma Jeane Mortenson, was an "American" actress. James Byron Dean was an "American" film actor. Benjamin Franklin earned the title of "the first American". If the term or title is so ambiguous, then we need to change alot of articles in wikipedia .Better get going then. The Demonym uses this term in the United States main article, no other. American Airlines isnt Ambiguous either. Lampoonsvacation ( talk) 21:02, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
According to official data from the most recent Census (2000), there were 7,927 American immigrants living in the country. The might be some variables, such as Costaricans who are dual citizens which might not be counted as Americans in the census. The next census will take place in mid 2011. There are more American immigrants established in Costa Rica, but it is highly unlikely that the number comes even close 40,000 as stated in the article. Maybe around 10,000 is a much more plausible number. We'll just have to wait until the data from the 2011 census gets published.
The article used as the source for the 40,000 is not by any means an official source, rather a poorly researched travel guide. The article does not state a source for the number either, so it is pretty much made up data.
The references are messy by the way. The link to the source is not beside the data from Costa Rica but beside the data from Japan in the table.
This is the link to INEC (Instituto Nacional de Estadística y Censos), which is the government institution in charge of the census and other statistical information in Costa Rica:
[5] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.197.169.96 ( talk) 11:51, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Why is her picture included? She was born in Havana, Cuba. All the others in the picture were born in the United States. If she "counts" as American because she is Cuban-American, than why on the Cuba talk page do they discuss removing Cameron Diaz because she is Cuban-American? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Loudcolors ( talk • contribs) 17:18, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
It would be more factual to have people who where born American citizens. Let's not push ethnic favoritism here. A founding father or two, a couple politicians and such. Maybe even a celebrity like Elvis or Michael Jackson. Come on now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.187.244.88 ( talk) 18:48, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
All Americans are descended from Immigrants. American born would be the preferred list when showing pictures of Famous Americans. Get it together. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.187.246.143 ( talk) 23:30, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
Now that this page has been moved to "Americans," shouldn't American people redirect here rather than go to a dab page? It is confusing to have the two phrases with an identical meaning go to two separate places. If consensus has determined that People of the United States is the primary topic of "Americans," then logically it should also be the primary topic of American people. Cheers, Rai• me 23:56, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
Any article in regards to the United States where the terms "American", "America" and so forth are used becomes a edit war between Latin American leftists and Americans who like to placate the sensibilities of them for the sake of political correctness. America is the USA in English. American is what English speakers use to refer to people from the USA or what we call it "America"....
Now, should we go start this kind of crap on the Spanish Wiki? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.187.247.161 ( talk) 21:25, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
Was of English descent his father was born in Ireland but their ancestors were from England 109.154.3.225 ( talk) 17:22, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
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Why do you call yourself "americans" since America is a whole continent including more countries? That's a bit racist. 201.207.106.214 ( talk) 20:15, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
I join to the discussion. Indeed, the tittle American to this article has nothing of racist but indeed it is excluding the rest of America. I am agree with your right explanation about the colonization and the title of "America colonies", and also when you argue about the lack of self identification of the first inhabitants or the failing in the proposed names as "Columbia" or others. The adoption of the name of "american" on wikipedia for citizens of United States is not well justified. I think your argument in which you appoint that "Citizens of the US don't merely call themselves Americans, and this is due because the rest of english speaking called you so, is not well justified, as United States citizens has also other "nicknames" that are also nor correct and you have not adopted neither. I think this is not excuse for calling in a mistaken way what is not right, and for stop calling things with names that really means the true.
What do you think a German would feel if in the definition of "European" on Wikipedia it states that European are citizens of France? Well the case is the same for citizens of other countries in America.
I think the task of Wikipedia is to give real information and not just a compilation of what of the most people believe.
The content of the article in my opinion is well described when the goal is to give a definition of a U.S. citizen, however, the title needs urgently to be changed to something with a real and true meaning, otherwise, it is misinforming the new generations of US citizens, Americans and the rest of the world.
( DMora ( talk) 15:11, 13 June 2012 (UTC))
I wonder why there is not an infobox entry for People's Republic of China. There is an entry for Hong Kong, however it is a region of People's Republic of China. We should have an entry for People's Republic of China instead of Honk Kong. ―― Phoenix7777 ( talk) 22:25, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Why is Pocahontas included in the infobox as an American citizen? I understand that she is connected with early British colonials in America that this doesn't qualify her as an "Citizen of the USA".-- Rafy talk 12:45, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
User:Becarlet, a user with only one other questionable edit, has been adding "United Statesian" to this page. As far as I know, the term is basically a neologism with no common usae in English. Is there a previous consesnus somewhere that this doesn't need to be in the lead title line? Thanks. - BilCat ( talk) 02:11, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
The first words of the article are: "Americans, or American people, are the citizens of the United States." No, no, no! How can it be? US people are using the term American as "US citizen" since years, but their country is not called America. America is a contintent, and it includes so much countries like Mexico, Canada, Argentina... They call this The Americas because of their calling America as the country U.S.A. and American as US citizen... But they shouldn't. A Mexican person, or a Canadian or an Argentinian, etc. is also American.
They should use another demonym, because their country is not America. It's quite imperialist... this land is not only theirs!! For example, in spanish, as U.S.A. is Estados Unidos, the demonym is estadounidense.
A bad consequence of the english use of the term American is that in Spain we say, in the TV and in current life, americano as estadounidense, but a Mexican person is in spanish also American (Because America is only the continent). What a contradiction! Then we can have problems: "-He's American. -From the Midwest? -Midwest? No, he's from Cuba!" (for example)
AMERICA IS NOT U.S.A.!!
-- Tacirupeca jarro ( talk)
Chinese people call Americans "Meiguo-ren" which means "people of the beautiful country" which is obviously sucking up, but it is also because to them A-MEI-rican and Mei, which means beautiful in Chinese, sound similar enough to make sense to them. So 1.4 billion Chinese call us the Chinese language equivalent of "American". They do not call Mexico "Meiguo", or "Meiguoren". Further, India probably uses British standards of teaching so India would see the Americas as two continents. So that's another 1.3 billion. You say "latin america and a few little european countries" well I say most of Asia recognizes our point of view, and Asia dwarfs Belgium, Spain, Greece and Latin America in terms of population. Also North America and South America are on different continental plates, and are connected by the little isthumus of Panama. Your six continent model makes no sense, because a giant chunk of Russia connects Europe to Asia- shouldn't you be not a continent, but Northwest Asia then? I'm going to call Europe "northwest Asia" until all Europeans recognize the foolishness of calling two landmasses connected by a region smaller than the sinai peninsula a single continent.
Also this is the English wikipedia, no one cares about your ugly language's stupid ideas of geography. P.S. Catalan is far superior and far more beautiful than Spanish and I support independence for Catalonia. Down with the Castillian imperialists and their ugly language. 71.241.250.239 ( talk) 18:20, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
To the IP user(s) who keeps removing the "(disambiguation)" from the hatnote, per WP:How to link to a disambiguation page:
The European ancestries table is by nature biased as Europeans are not the only immigrants to the USA. It includes Swiss for example (under a million). The whole thing is not relevant if you do not show a comprehensive table. As an example the article Cuban American shows 1,785,547. Not to mention way more Mexican-Americans, Chinese-Americans (mentioned in a separate table), etc. Lest we forget there are also way more Native Americans. We should have a comprehensive table or none at all. -- Alexf (talk) 14:43, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
The tittle of this article is still in debate as the Americans is just the plural of American, not only referring to United State of America, but other countries in the Americas. The justification that the title "Americans" in English Wikipedia (and this is English Wikipedia, not US. Wikipedia) is meant to refer only to the citizens of United States is not well justified, telling that in English this is the form of meaning the citizens of United States. There are other countries in America which speaks high important percentages of English (as a second language) that are self-identified on being American and makes use in English of that definition. In example, there are cases, in any part of the world, where people is asked in English about being "Americans" and their answer is "Yes, we are from Argentina", which contradicts the meaning proposed with the tittle of this article.
Therefore, I propose to create a disambiguation also for the tittle "Americans". In the same way that it is done to "America", which gives an option to the article "United States of America", the title "Americans" should redirect to an alternative tittle as "US citizens". Therefore, I am opposed to maintain the title of this article as it is right now and I will support to its disambiguation giving the option of "U.S. citizens"
( DMora ( talk) 10:52, 14 June 2012 (UTC))
why is SOME OTHER RACE(non white hispanic)or hispanic section not exist? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.178.109.25 ( talk) 20:58, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
A good faith series of edits, was reverted per WP:BRD; yet, it was re-done, and thus could be seen as becoming very close to violating WP:3RR. Rather than continuing an edit war, I am beginning this discussion.-- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 01:21, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Rather than continuing this discussion on my talk page, in response to a message left for me, I believe it is best to centralize it here. As with that post, the reason for the reversion of the reversion was due to claims by another editor that since certain groups do not self-identify as being African American, that other populations should be represented. The editor who reverted the reversion chose Ghanaian Americans (94,405) and Kenyan Americans (49,157). However, if we look at the source data we can see that if Ethiopians and Somalis are not chosen, then Trinidadian and Tobagonian should be listed as 4th (with 193,233), Cape Verdeans should be listed as 5th (with 95,751), and Ghanaians should be listed as 6th (with 94,405). Moreover the two ( 1, 2) references provided by the other editor, are not reliable source, as they are self published sources, so to remove Ethiopians, and Somalis, both considered by the United States Census Bureau, to be Black and/or African American, based on two non-reliable sources, would be factually wrong.-- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 01:38, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
In accordance to WP:CANVASS#Appropriate notification, I will notify relevant WikiProjects of this discussion.-- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 01:43, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
According to OMB, “Black or African American” refers to a person having origins in any of the Black racial groups of Africa.
The Black racial category includes people who marked the “Black, African Am., or Negro” checkbox. It also includes respondents who reported entries such as African American; Sub-Saharan African entries, such as Kenyan and Nigerian; and Afro-Caribbean entries, such as Haitian and Jamaican.*
*Sub-Saharan African entries are classified as Black or African American with the exception of Sudanese and Cape Verdean because of their complex, historical heritage. North African entries are classified as White, as OMB defines White as a person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa.
Agreed with AndyTheGrump. The USCB's opinion is just one view of many. At any rate, as explained here, reasons for the replacement of Ethiopians and Somalis with Kenyans and Ghanaians in the "Black and African Americans" section include a combination of discordant self-identification and ancestry, as well as other competing classifications. The section states that "according to the Office of Management and Budget, the racial category include those who self-identify as African American, Sub-Saharan Africans, and Afro-Caribbeans." However, Ethiopians and Somalis generally do not self-identify racially as such (c.f. [7]). This in turn is due to the distinct genetic history of the Afro-Asiatic communities in the Horn region (e.g. [8], [9]), as well as their differing traditions of descent (c.f. 1, 2). Even fewer regard themselves as African American. The latter population is instead considered a separate community of West African origin, with a very different history, culture, set of experiences and ancestral background. Additionally, Somalis and Djiboutians are part of the Arab World and are classified as Arab Americans by the Arab American Institute (c.f. [10]). This is an altogether separate classificatory designation. Similarly, "“African-ness” is itself contested[...] racial distinctions in Africa are not always so clear-cut[...] MBE programs have struggled, for example, to decide whether Sudanese and Ethiopians qualify as “Black”" (c.f. [11]). I think, therefore, it's best to either replace the Afro-Asiatic Horn populations in this particular section table with unambiguous groups, or to create a new table for Arab Americans that would accommodate most of them and the Sudanese as well. Middayexpress ( talk) 16:11, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
In the genre of "ancestry" the Jamaican American and Haitian American communities do believe themselves as being separate from African Americans, however, they do trace their heritage to Africa through an emigration of slavery. It is difficult as this topic is rather sensitive, but I did want to point out that other Americans could potentially ask the same question in time. Also, there are specific "west indies" sections of some census' but not others, is that correct? I'd also like to note that citizenship may play a role in this discussion and should be considered. In which case, the question may revert to "Africans in America with citizenship" are recognized differently when compared to "Africans in America with temporary citizenship or a visa."
Twillisjr ( talk) 17:55, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
I don't care what spanish speakers think. It's called the Republic of Mexico, so why are they mexicans instead of republicans? Why people of the United States? Why not American people? This is the english wiki. The English wiki should follow the most common usage of the term in the english language. Those on the spanish wiki can have their "gente de los estados unidos" if that makes them happy, but on this wiki it should be American people. Stop being unfairly biased against Americans. 72.205.33.223 ( talk) 18:22, 14 November 2010 (UTC)An English speaker
THE U.S. IS MULTIETHNIC BUT NOT MULTICULTURAL I am from Spain and from my point of view (I lived for one year in America), the U.S. is VERY HOMOGENEOUS BY CULTURE, VERY HOMEGENEOUS. Much more than any single European or Asian country. Becoming AMERICAN means becoming ANGLO for the rest of the World. That means learning English and becoming part of the Anglo society. The same way as in Argentina it means becoming SPANISH, learning the Spanish language and becoming part of the Hispanic society. In Argentina, like in the U.S., there are millions of immigrants but the country is very homogeneous compared to any European or Asian country. BECOMING "AMERICAN" MEANS BECOMING PART OF THE "ANGLO TRIBE" WHICH CREATED THE UNITED STATE. The same way as thousands of Anglos were kidnaped by Indian nations (Apache, Cheyenne, Navajo, Cherokee) becoming part of those nations when they learnt their language and culture, becoming "American" means becoming part of the "ANGLO TRIBE", and that took place when hundrds of theousands of Indians adopted the "American way of life", English names, religion and language. They have been, like millions of immigrants from all the World, assimilated by the "ANGLO TRIBE". Remember that those Indians tribes (Apache, Cheyenne, Sioux) fought AGAINST AMERICA, they were never "Americans" (the term "America" was devised by the German cartographer Martin Waldseemüller in honor of the Italian explorer "Americo" Vespuzzi, who worked for the Spanish Crown. So there is NOTHING NATIVE in the term "AMERICA")-- 83.44.105.139 ( talk) 03:00, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi I think it's a bit strange that British is in the list of European Ancestries when at the same time you also include English, Scottish .etc Especially when the combined ancestries of all the countries that make up Britain are way larger than the number who are British ancestry. Surely it should either be just British Ancestry or the break down into all the individual countries of the Union. Mishka Shaw ( talk) 12:10, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
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Given that Americans is just the plural for American the discussion should go to the latest. Godot 21:13, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
The claim of a copyright infringement of [1] is highly questionable since the statement made on that site looks as though it was copied and pasted from the culture section of the United States article. M5891 ( talk) 21:07, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
This article is intended to describe the people of the United States as a whole, as opposed to other articles such as Demographics of the United States which focus more on dissecting by race, ancestry, ethnicity, etc.
Compare this article to that of Brazilian people. M5891 ( talk) 21:23, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
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Except for affluent or budget-seeking retirees and members or personnel of the US Armed forces in overseas bases, are there more historical collection of American emigrants in other nations in hope and in search of opportunity they failed to find in their home country? The greatgrandfather of Mexican president Vicente Fox Quesada is an example. What about vietnam-war era draft dodgers whom fled to Canada? You can bring up the case of former U.S. president Bill Clinton when he was a young man in the 1960's had a college student deferment in Oxford university in Great Britain. And the descendants of African-Americans in Sierra Leone and Liberia, to return to a land where their ancestors came from long ago, can be worth mentioning. The number of American expats are 4 to 5 million (correct), over a third of them are in Latin America, a quarter are in Asia, one-fifth in Europe and something like one-eighth in the Middle East, while the remainder are in Oceania (Australia and New Zealand), the vast number of American expats went to these countries in disdain on George W. Bush's war on terror and economic policies, including a few "Kerryites" or liberal-minded Democratic voters whom publicly said if Bush was re-elected (and that he was) they will emigrate out of the U.S. The American people aren't really known for a massive exodus out of their homeland in their previous history, but there's a pioneering spirit our ancestors had in the last five centuries when they venture outward in the frontiers often into new lands far away.+ 71.102.2.206 ( talk) 06:11, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
There is a sentence under the article that says "there are over 1 billion people" or something like... I will remove it... I think its unsourced and it appears to not be relevant to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.218.86.48 ( talk) 00:17, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
I just want to say "good job" to whomever constructed the photo montage in the infobox. Never have I seen the good, bad, and ugly faces of America summed up so succinctly. (I leave it to you which is which). Beeblebrox ( talk) 19:26, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Why is he notable enough to be included in the list of examples of Americans? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tancrisism ( talk • contribs) 22:02, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
On a similar note, why Michael Steele as an example? Why not someone of more historical clout? (Martin Luther King, Andrew Jackson...even the Marx Brothers). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.7.87.80 ( talk) 01:19, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
She is not a very notable person world wide and Micheal Jackson sold more then half of her all time record sales with one record. We also need more writers and already have elvis and jackson. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.231.28.185 ( talk) 09:52, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Ummm Madonna did NOT sell more records than Elvis or Michael Jackson so IDK where you coming from with she's the best selling solo artist of all time she might be the best selling female solo artist. Here's an example: Michael Jackson's Thriller sold over 100 million albums worldwide and his total album sales are said to be around 750 million - 1 billion. Elvis is said to have sold over 1 billion albums in total. Madonna sold around 190 million - 200 million in total of all her albums. We should also know by now that the Billboard magazines are not always to be trusted not long ago Lady GaGa was on the top 10 with her short career. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ADKIc3mAnX ( talk • contribs) 21:56, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
The United States is split about 50-50 men/women, but all but one of the pics are of American men. 67.121.155.62 ( talk) 08:05, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
I've replaced the messy spread of various image files with a single-image collage as can be found on the Brazilian people and Spanish American articles. In my collage are, Rosa Parks, Oprah Winfrey, Amelia Earhart, and Ellen DeGeneres. If/when someone wants me to change the collage to include more people/different people, I can be contacted on my talk page. On the other hand, if someone wants to put work in themselves, the Russians article has a nicer setup, with multiple images cropped to dimensions that resize well together, which I believe is a better model than the "single image collage" one I have used. Of course, if someone wants to edit the collage themselves, they can, given they update the article and the Commons description. --▲ MANATH The Mage Singer ( talk) ▲ 04:57, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
"Derived from the traditions of Western European migrants, beginning with the early English and Dutch (ethnic SUPER AWSOME MEGA LOLZ" ...really? 91.33.182.140 ( talk) 22:02, 14 July 2010 (UTC) Apparently so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spinoff ( talk • contribs) 23:58, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
The article asserts in the lede sentence, that the people of the US must be citizens.
The people of the United States, U.S. Americans, or simply Americans or American people, are citizens of the United States.
Is that really so? Who says? Or by what authority would we say that? Since Wikipedia takes a neutral point of view I would think that would be true for an article entitled "Citizens of the United States" but not for one entitled "People of the United States". Would not the people of the United States include all who live here? For example, say my friend is a Visiting Scholar from South Korea, who lives with his family in the US for two years. They rent lodgings, they buy and cook food, and participate in civic events and much of ordinary live in the US. Are not those folks a part of the "people of the United States", at least for the two years they were here, 2007 through 2009? Does anyone else have a problem with this definitional confusion, or if intentional, a point-of-view sleight of hand? N2e ( talk) 21:38, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
I made an image gallery, but I'm not very good with wikicode, so now the page could use some cleanup. Also, I'd like some better pictures of Edna St Vincent Millay, Sidney Poitier, Michael Jackson, and Allen Ginsberg, but I don't have the time to dig out some copy-write free pictures of them. Ginsberg looks alright, but I'd like something that show's Millay's face. I also wanted to include Bob Hope and Oprah Winfrey, but there were no decent shots of them. I think the current lineup is good, and any more people will just make the page look a mess.
The purpose of this image gallery is to give a more indepth look at specific Americans. All of them are famous, yet some obscure to many people. Hopefully this will cause people to look them up and learn about them. -- IronMaidenRocks ( talk) 17:35, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
This kind of list tends to attract unnecessary contention unless objective inclusion criteria can be established. Pulling Americans from popular lists such as The Greatest American, [3], Time 100/ Time 100: The Most Important People of the Century could help. There's already a small gallery at the top of the page, and you see how that changed just within the past month: previous, current. — Mrwojo ( talk) 01:05, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
I removed the top gallery, because the current one had pictures of people who were not even American citizens. If you want a top gallery, think about your choices. Also, the picture itself is in terms of what People Magazine believes are notable Americans. I think Benjamin Franklin is a bit more notable than Serena Williams. -- IronMaidenRocks ( talk) 19:15, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
As being over 5% of the population why are there no Asian Americans in the image gallery? -- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 22:36, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
Shouldnt this article be called Americans or American people??....this is not just the most common term used to describe citizens of the United States but it is the only term used in the english language...as this is the english language wikipedia then this would not have any confusion as soe other lagnuages do refer to Americans as being from the whole American continant, but this isnbt the case as we dont call Brazilian people, Argentine people or Colombian people Americans. Even the article uses the term all the time as Americans....not to mention American culture, American cinema or American Idol are just examples as to how Americans themselves are called. I really think this should be changed to get the article looking as good as some of the other people artilces. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Armenia81 ( talk • contribs) 19:30, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
I redirected this to People of the United States as that is the term most commonly applied to them, but am I going to get flak from South Americans? or Central Americans? Is it arrogant to associate "American" with strictly People of the United States? (I'm Canadian btw) -- œ ™ 21:41, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian ( talk) 03:23, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
People of the United States → Americans — Per Talk:People of the United States#Article name.2Ftitle.-- Twilightchill t 13:27, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Presently there are only two major groups included in the article as of this posting; however, other significant groups are presently missing, including (but not limited to) Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans, and Native Americans. Is there a good reason for this? If there is not, should subsections be created for these groups (and possibly others), and if so what threshold should be required for the size of population for a ethnic group be included in this article. -- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 09:12, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
No, there's no reason for this, and quite frankly, offensive to Americans of non-European/African ancestry. Someone needs to expand this. JamesJiansen ( talk) 20:14, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Now there are three major groups, however, the largest minority group is missing. Made me wonder if there was some jerk just erasing any mention of Hispanics at all in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.188.156.105 ( talk) 23:49, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Beginning of August, and still no sign of Hispanics anywhere within the United States or the American diaspora. It's like they've vanished from the face of the Earth...at least, that is, if Wikipedia is your only exposure to the outside world. Ho-hum. -- SchutteGod ( talk) 03:06, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
That's what happens when the "largest minority" is a collection of races, religions and ethnicities bound together by the shaky bond of "we lived in a Spanish speaking country once". Also 1/4 Hispanics are illegal, so stop whining. 76.78.246.49 ( talk) 04:35, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
but I would like to propose, in the gallery, replacing Michael Jackson with Lefty Gomez. There are 4 blacks in the gallery, to represent 12% of the population. There is only one Hispanic person, while that group is 16% of America's . . . I mean the United States' population. Plus there are many entertainers in the gallery and no sports figures. Gomez in a baseball Hall of Famer as well as being Hispanic. Not well known? well most Americans are not well known, I see that as no problem. However being new to this article I am reluctant to make changes without mentioning them here first. Einar aka Carptrash ( talk) 22:09, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
Removed edit (please include Michael Jackson, his photo and mention of the Jacksons, being American and African-Americans, as it is relevant.): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Michael_Jackson_1984.jpg Pop music legend Michael Jackson and the Jackson Five made up of his brothers, and his sister Janet Jackson are African-Americans widely known in the world. 71.102.1.101 ( talk) 22:59, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of People of the United States's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "b02001":
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The result of the move request was: Move page to Americans. ProhibitOnions (T) 06:31, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
People of the United States →
Americans — Relisted.
Vegaswikian (
talk) 22:38, 9 May 2011 (UTC) This is the English-language Wikipedia, so we should be following English conventions. In English, the term "Americans" does not refer to denizens of South America, Central America, or the rest of North America. The term "Americans" refers to denizens of the United States. We need to be consistent. The article for Irish Americans, for example, isn't called "People of the United States of Irish descent." It's called "Irish Americans." "Americans" is also the most common term for the subject of this article. The term "Americans" is not ambiguous in the English language.
Macarion (
talk) 08:33, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
In "every" single article here on wiki, they are described as - examples from their articles:Barack Hussein Obama II. He is the first "African American" to hold the office. Michael Joseph Jackson was an "American" recording artist. Marilyn Monroe born Norma Jeane Mortenson, was an "American" actress. James Byron Dean was an "American" film actor. Benjamin Franklin earned the title of "the first American". If the term or title is so ambiguous, then we need to change alot of articles in wikipedia .Better get going then. The Demonym uses this term in the United States main article, no other. American Airlines isnt Ambiguous either. Lampoonsvacation ( talk) 21:02, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
According to official data from the most recent Census (2000), there were 7,927 American immigrants living in the country. The might be some variables, such as Costaricans who are dual citizens which might not be counted as Americans in the census. The next census will take place in mid 2011. There are more American immigrants established in Costa Rica, but it is highly unlikely that the number comes even close 40,000 as stated in the article. Maybe around 10,000 is a much more plausible number. We'll just have to wait until the data from the 2011 census gets published.
The article used as the source for the 40,000 is not by any means an official source, rather a poorly researched travel guide. The article does not state a source for the number either, so it is pretty much made up data.
The references are messy by the way. The link to the source is not beside the data from Costa Rica but beside the data from Japan in the table.
This is the link to INEC (Instituto Nacional de Estadística y Censos), which is the government institution in charge of the census and other statistical information in Costa Rica:
[5] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.197.169.96 ( talk) 11:51, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Why is her picture included? She was born in Havana, Cuba. All the others in the picture were born in the United States. If she "counts" as American because she is Cuban-American, than why on the Cuba talk page do they discuss removing Cameron Diaz because she is Cuban-American? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Loudcolors ( talk • contribs) 17:18, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
It would be more factual to have people who where born American citizens. Let's not push ethnic favoritism here. A founding father or two, a couple politicians and such. Maybe even a celebrity like Elvis or Michael Jackson. Come on now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.187.244.88 ( talk) 18:48, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
All Americans are descended from Immigrants. American born would be the preferred list when showing pictures of Famous Americans. Get it together. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.187.246.143 ( talk) 23:30, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
Now that this page has been moved to "Americans," shouldn't American people redirect here rather than go to a dab page? It is confusing to have the two phrases with an identical meaning go to two separate places. If consensus has determined that People of the United States is the primary topic of "Americans," then logically it should also be the primary topic of American people. Cheers, Rai• me 23:56, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
Any article in regards to the United States where the terms "American", "America" and so forth are used becomes a edit war between Latin American leftists and Americans who like to placate the sensibilities of them for the sake of political correctness. America is the USA in English. American is what English speakers use to refer to people from the USA or what we call it "America"....
Now, should we go start this kind of crap on the Spanish Wiki? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.187.247.161 ( talk) 21:25, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
Was of English descent his father was born in Ireland but their ancestors were from England 109.154.3.225 ( talk) 17:22, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
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Why do you call yourself "americans" since America is a whole continent including more countries? That's a bit racist. 201.207.106.214 ( talk) 20:15, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
I join to the discussion. Indeed, the tittle American to this article has nothing of racist but indeed it is excluding the rest of America. I am agree with your right explanation about the colonization and the title of "America colonies", and also when you argue about the lack of self identification of the first inhabitants or the failing in the proposed names as "Columbia" or others. The adoption of the name of "american" on wikipedia for citizens of United States is not well justified. I think your argument in which you appoint that "Citizens of the US don't merely call themselves Americans, and this is due because the rest of english speaking called you so, is not well justified, as United States citizens has also other "nicknames" that are also nor correct and you have not adopted neither. I think this is not excuse for calling in a mistaken way what is not right, and for stop calling things with names that really means the true.
What do you think a German would feel if in the definition of "European" on Wikipedia it states that European are citizens of France? Well the case is the same for citizens of other countries in America.
I think the task of Wikipedia is to give real information and not just a compilation of what of the most people believe.
The content of the article in my opinion is well described when the goal is to give a definition of a U.S. citizen, however, the title needs urgently to be changed to something with a real and true meaning, otherwise, it is misinforming the new generations of US citizens, Americans and the rest of the world.
( DMora ( talk) 15:11, 13 June 2012 (UTC))
I wonder why there is not an infobox entry for People's Republic of China. There is an entry for Hong Kong, however it is a region of People's Republic of China. We should have an entry for People's Republic of China instead of Honk Kong. ―― Phoenix7777 ( talk) 22:25, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Why is Pocahontas included in the infobox as an American citizen? I understand that she is connected with early British colonials in America that this doesn't qualify her as an "Citizen of the USA".-- Rafy talk 12:45, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
User:Becarlet, a user with only one other questionable edit, has been adding "United Statesian" to this page. As far as I know, the term is basically a neologism with no common usae in English. Is there a previous consesnus somewhere that this doesn't need to be in the lead title line? Thanks. - BilCat ( talk) 02:11, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
The first words of the article are: "Americans, or American people, are the citizens of the United States." No, no, no! How can it be? US people are using the term American as "US citizen" since years, but their country is not called America. America is a contintent, and it includes so much countries like Mexico, Canada, Argentina... They call this The Americas because of their calling America as the country U.S.A. and American as US citizen... But they shouldn't. A Mexican person, or a Canadian or an Argentinian, etc. is also American.
They should use another demonym, because their country is not America. It's quite imperialist... this land is not only theirs!! For example, in spanish, as U.S.A. is Estados Unidos, the demonym is estadounidense.
A bad consequence of the english use of the term American is that in Spain we say, in the TV and in current life, americano as estadounidense, but a Mexican person is in spanish also American (Because America is only the continent). What a contradiction! Then we can have problems: "-He's American. -From the Midwest? -Midwest? No, he's from Cuba!" (for example)
AMERICA IS NOT U.S.A.!!
-- Tacirupeca jarro ( talk)
Chinese people call Americans "Meiguo-ren" which means "people of the beautiful country" which is obviously sucking up, but it is also because to them A-MEI-rican and Mei, which means beautiful in Chinese, sound similar enough to make sense to them. So 1.4 billion Chinese call us the Chinese language equivalent of "American". They do not call Mexico "Meiguo", or "Meiguoren". Further, India probably uses British standards of teaching so India would see the Americas as two continents. So that's another 1.3 billion. You say "latin america and a few little european countries" well I say most of Asia recognizes our point of view, and Asia dwarfs Belgium, Spain, Greece and Latin America in terms of population. Also North America and South America are on different continental plates, and are connected by the little isthumus of Panama. Your six continent model makes no sense, because a giant chunk of Russia connects Europe to Asia- shouldn't you be not a continent, but Northwest Asia then? I'm going to call Europe "northwest Asia" until all Europeans recognize the foolishness of calling two landmasses connected by a region smaller than the sinai peninsula a single continent.
Also this is the English wikipedia, no one cares about your ugly language's stupid ideas of geography. P.S. Catalan is far superior and far more beautiful than Spanish and I support independence for Catalonia. Down with the Castillian imperialists and their ugly language. 71.241.250.239 ( talk) 18:20, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
To the IP user(s) who keeps removing the "(disambiguation)" from the hatnote, per WP:How to link to a disambiguation page:
The European ancestries table is by nature biased as Europeans are not the only immigrants to the USA. It includes Swiss for example (under a million). The whole thing is not relevant if you do not show a comprehensive table. As an example the article Cuban American shows 1,785,547. Not to mention way more Mexican-Americans, Chinese-Americans (mentioned in a separate table), etc. Lest we forget there are also way more Native Americans. We should have a comprehensive table or none at all. -- Alexf (talk) 14:43, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
The tittle of this article is still in debate as the Americans is just the plural of American, not only referring to United State of America, but other countries in the Americas. The justification that the title "Americans" in English Wikipedia (and this is English Wikipedia, not US. Wikipedia) is meant to refer only to the citizens of United States is not well justified, telling that in English this is the form of meaning the citizens of United States. There are other countries in America which speaks high important percentages of English (as a second language) that are self-identified on being American and makes use in English of that definition. In example, there are cases, in any part of the world, where people is asked in English about being "Americans" and their answer is "Yes, we are from Argentina", which contradicts the meaning proposed with the tittle of this article.
Therefore, I propose to create a disambiguation also for the tittle "Americans". In the same way that it is done to "America", which gives an option to the article "United States of America", the title "Americans" should redirect to an alternative tittle as "US citizens". Therefore, I am opposed to maintain the title of this article as it is right now and I will support to its disambiguation giving the option of "U.S. citizens"
( DMora ( talk) 10:52, 14 June 2012 (UTC))
why is SOME OTHER RACE(non white hispanic)or hispanic section not exist? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.178.109.25 ( talk) 20:58, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
A good faith series of edits, was reverted per WP:BRD; yet, it was re-done, and thus could be seen as becoming very close to violating WP:3RR. Rather than continuing an edit war, I am beginning this discussion.-- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 01:21, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Rather than continuing this discussion on my talk page, in response to a message left for me, I believe it is best to centralize it here. As with that post, the reason for the reversion of the reversion was due to claims by another editor that since certain groups do not self-identify as being African American, that other populations should be represented. The editor who reverted the reversion chose Ghanaian Americans (94,405) and Kenyan Americans (49,157). However, if we look at the source data we can see that if Ethiopians and Somalis are not chosen, then Trinidadian and Tobagonian should be listed as 4th (with 193,233), Cape Verdeans should be listed as 5th (with 95,751), and Ghanaians should be listed as 6th (with 94,405). Moreover the two ( 1, 2) references provided by the other editor, are not reliable source, as they are self published sources, so to remove Ethiopians, and Somalis, both considered by the United States Census Bureau, to be Black and/or African American, based on two non-reliable sources, would be factually wrong.-- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 01:38, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
In accordance to WP:CANVASS#Appropriate notification, I will notify relevant WikiProjects of this discussion.-- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 01:43, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
According to OMB, “Black or African American” refers to a person having origins in any of the Black racial groups of Africa.
The Black racial category includes people who marked the “Black, African Am., or Negro” checkbox. It also includes respondents who reported entries such as African American; Sub-Saharan African entries, such as Kenyan and Nigerian; and Afro-Caribbean entries, such as Haitian and Jamaican.*
*Sub-Saharan African entries are classified as Black or African American with the exception of Sudanese and Cape Verdean because of their complex, historical heritage. North African entries are classified as White, as OMB defines White as a person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa.
Agreed with AndyTheGrump. The USCB's opinion is just one view of many. At any rate, as explained here, reasons for the replacement of Ethiopians and Somalis with Kenyans and Ghanaians in the "Black and African Americans" section include a combination of discordant self-identification and ancestry, as well as other competing classifications. The section states that "according to the Office of Management and Budget, the racial category include those who self-identify as African American, Sub-Saharan Africans, and Afro-Caribbeans." However, Ethiopians and Somalis generally do not self-identify racially as such (c.f. [7]). This in turn is due to the distinct genetic history of the Afro-Asiatic communities in the Horn region (e.g. [8], [9]), as well as their differing traditions of descent (c.f. 1, 2). Even fewer regard themselves as African American. The latter population is instead considered a separate community of West African origin, with a very different history, culture, set of experiences and ancestral background. Additionally, Somalis and Djiboutians are part of the Arab World and are classified as Arab Americans by the Arab American Institute (c.f. [10]). This is an altogether separate classificatory designation. Similarly, "“African-ness” is itself contested[...] racial distinctions in Africa are not always so clear-cut[...] MBE programs have struggled, for example, to decide whether Sudanese and Ethiopians qualify as “Black”" (c.f. [11]). I think, therefore, it's best to either replace the Afro-Asiatic Horn populations in this particular section table with unambiguous groups, or to create a new table for Arab Americans that would accommodate most of them and the Sudanese as well. Middayexpress ( talk) 16:11, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
In the genre of "ancestry" the Jamaican American and Haitian American communities do believe themselves as being separate from African Americans, however, they do trace their heritage to Africa through an emigration of slavery. It is difficult as this topic is rather sensitive, but I did want to point out that other Americans could potentially ask the same question in time. Also, there are specific "west indies" sections of some census' but not others, is that correct? I'd also like to note that citizenship may play a role in this discussion and should be considered. In which case, the question may revert to "Africans in America with citizenship" are recognized differently when compared to "Africans in America with temporary citizenship or a visa."
Twillisjr ( talk) 17:55, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
I don't care what spanish speakers think. It's called the Republic of Mexico, so why are they mexicans instead of republicans? Why people of the United States? Why not American people? This is the english wiki. The English wiki should follow the most common usage of the term in the english language. Those on the spanish wiki can have their "gente de los estados unidos" if that makes them happy, but on this wiki it should be American people. Stop being unfairly biased against Americans. 72.205.33.223 ( talk) 18:22, 14 November 2010 (UTC)An English speaker
THE U.S. IS MULTIETHNIC BUT NOT MULTICULTURAL I am from Spain and from my point of view (I lived for one year in America), the U.S. is VERY HOMOGENEOUS BY CULTURE, VERY HOMEGENEOUS. Much more than any single European or Asian country. Becoming AMERICAN means becoming ANGLO for the rest of the World. That means learning English and becoming part of the Anglo society. The same way as in Argentina it means becoming SPANISH, learning the Spanish language and becoming part of the Hispanic society. In Argentina, like in the U.S., there are millions of immigrants but the country is very homogeneous compared to any European or Asian country. BECOMING "AMERICAN" MEANS BECOMING PART OF THE "ANGLO TRIBE" WHICH CREATED THE UNITED STATE. The same way as thousands of Anglos were kidnaped by Indian nations (Apache, Cheyenne, Navajo, Cherokee) becoming part of those nations when they learnt their language and culture, becoming "American" means becoming part of the "ANGLO TRIBE", and that took place when hundrds of theousands of Indians adopted the "American way of life", English names, religion and language. They have been, like millions of immigrants from all the World, assimilated by the "ANGLO TRIBE". Remember that those Indians tribes (Apache, Cheyenne, Sioux) fought AGAINST AMERICA, they were never "Americans" (the term "America" was devised by the German cartographer Martin Waldseemüller in honor of the Italian explorer "Americo" Vespuzzi, who worked for the Spanish Crown. So there is NOTHING NATIVE in the term "AMERICA")-- 83.44.105.139 ( talk) 03:00, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi I think it's a bit strange that British is in the list of European Ancestries when at the same time you also include English, Scottish .etc Especially when the combined ancestries of all the countries that make up Britain are way larger than the number who are British ancestry. Surely it should either be just British Ancestry or the break down into all the individual countries of the Union. Mishka Shaw ( talk) 12:10, 17 October 2012 (UTC)