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Support per nom.
bd2412T 01:26, 29 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Oppose This is a duo of electronic musicians. They play electronic musical instruments.
Chubbles (
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Oppose as proposed.
WP:BANDDAB says "Use either '(band)' or '(duo)' when the musical ensemble is a duet." It does not deprecate the use of "(band)" in these cases.
Dekimasuよ! 02:23, 29 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Oppose the guidance on
WP:BANDDAB says "Use either '(band)' or '(duo)' when the musical ensemble is a duet." Maybe we should remove the (duo) option as it adds nothing
In ictu oculi (
talk) 07:59, 29 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment - a band makes it more imprecise because there could be 2 to an infinite number of members whereas duo shows there is only 2 members in the group. A band is defined as "a group of instrumentalists playing music of a specialized type". This music group is a duo of electronic musicians who are not instrumentalists (players of a musical instrument). In popular culture, a band is typically a group of 4-5 people who sing, play the guitar, drums, bass, etc. Calling a group of 2 musicians a band is simply inaccurate and improper although literally they could fit the scope. @
Chubbles:@
Dekimasu:@
In ictu oculi: please consider reconsidering. Not only (duo) makes it easier to categorize music groups consisting of 2 members, it also distinguishes electronic music groups from regular music groups. The editor whose username is Z0 08:07, 29 July 2018 (UTC)reply
1) To this point, I think everyone has been fairly accepting of the fact that you filed 30 individual move requests instead of a multimove. However, please understand that it's annoying to get over 30 page notifications for the same comment–and then getting 30 edit conflicts after you edit the comment with the ping in it. If the issues at hand are the same, please pick one talk page and have the rest of the discussion there.
3) The proposal referenced a particular naming convention, but the moves do not follow from that naming convention.
Dekimasuよ! 08:27, 29 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment. Reply to Dekimasu: I'm not saying a two-member band is incorrect but it's just less preferred compared to duo.
Musical ensemble#Two parts says two-member rock and pop bands are relatively rare and they are mostly rock and pop groups not electronic music duos that are the subjects of these move discussions. Wikipedia's preference is usually the one
most commonly used. Bands play musical instruments unlike electronic musicians who use
digital audio workstation (DAW) to produce their music. DAW is not a musical instrument but a computer software. As for the naming convention, it did say to use either "(band)" or "(duo)" when the musical ensemble is a duet, as in duo for the duet and band for others. That precisely supports my argument so I'm not sure why you said "the moves do not follow from that naming convention". The editor whose username is Z0 08:49, 29 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment the discussion for the general issue of whether electronic duos are accurately described as bands seems to be coalescing at
Talk:The Ghost (Faroese band).
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Support per nom.
bd2412T 01:26, 29 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Oppose This is a duo of electronic musicians. They play electronic musical instruments.
Chubbles (
talk) 01:52, 29 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Oppose as proposed.
WP:BANDDAB says "Use either '(band)' or '(duo)' when the musical ensemble is a duet." It does not deprecate the use of "(band)" in these cases.
Dekimasuよ! 02:23, 29 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Oppose the guidance on
WP:BANDDAB says "Use either '(band)' or '(duo)' when the musical ensemble is a duet." Maybe we should remove the (duo) option as it adds nothing
In ictu oculi (
talk) 07:59, 29 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment - a band makes it more imprecise because there could be 2 to an infinite number of members whereas duo shows there is only 2 members in the group. A band is defined as "a group of instrumentalists playing music of a specialized type". This music group is a duo of electronic musicians who are not instrumentalists (players of a musical instrument). In popular culture, a band is typically a group of 4-5 people who sing, play the guitar, drums, bass, etc. Calling a group of 2 musicians a band is simply inaccurate and improper although literally they could fit the scope. @
Chubbles:@
Dekimasu:@
In ictu oculi: please consider reconsidering. Not only (duo) makes it easier to categorize music groups consisting of 2 members, it also distinguishes electronic music groups from regular music groups. The editor whose username is Z0 08:07, 29 July 2018 (UTC)reply
1) To this point, I think everyone has been fairly accepting of the fact that you filed 30 individual move requests instead of a multimove. However, please understand that it's annoying to get over 30 page notifications for the same comment–and then getting 30 edit conflicts after you edit the comment with the ping in it. If the issues at hand are the same, please pick one talk page and have the rest of the discussion there.
3) The proposal referenced a particular naming convention, but the moves do not follow from that naming convention.
Dekimasuよ! 08:27, 29 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment. Reply to Dekimasu: I'm not saying a two-member band is incorrect but it's just less preferred compared to duo.
Musical ensemble#Two parts says two-member rock and pop bands are relatively rare and they are mostly rock and pop groups not electronic music duos that are the subjects of these move discussions. Wikipedia's preference is usually the one
most commonly used. Bands play musical instruments unlike electronic musicians who use
digital audio workstation (DAW) to produce their music. DAW is not a musical instrument but a computer software. As for the naming convention, it did say to use either "(band)" or "(duo)" when the musical ensemble is a duet, as in duo for the duet and band for others. That precisely supports my argument so I'm not sure why you said "the moves do not follow from that naming convention". The editor whose username is Z0 08:49, 29 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment the discussion for the general issue of whether electronic duos are accurately described as bands seems to be coalescing at
Talk:The Ghost (Faroese band).
Chubbles (
talk) 10:44, 29 July 2018 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a
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