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She was born as Mollie Alma Bridwell on June 16, 1862 in Kinniconick, Lewis County, Kentucky to William Moncure Bridwell (1825-1907) of Virginia; and Mary Ann Harrison (1832-1921) of Kentucky. William and Mary married on March 19, 1851. Alma's siblings include: Martha Gertrude Bridwell (1853-?) who was born on March 18, 1852 and married a Davis; James Robert Bridwell (1853-?) who was born on March 18, 1852; Emery Bascom Bridwell (1856-1928) who was born on Valentines Day, February 14, 1856 and died on March 28, 1928; Amanda Frances Bridwell (1857-?) who was born on May 31, 1857, married a Savage, and died on March 23, 1938; Ann Eliza Bridwell (1859-1953) who was born on December 16, 1859, married a Boardman, and died on September 26, 1953; Venora Ella Bridwell (1861-1942) who was born on January 18, 1861, married David E. Metlen in 1887, and died on May 9, 1942 in Dillon, Montana; Teresa West Bridwell (1865-1944) who was born on August 16, 1862, married a Meade, and died on May 30, 1944; Kate Laura Bridwell (1867-1935) who was born on February 22, 1867, married a Ferrell, and died on November 3, 1935; Rollie Taylor Bridwell (1868-1947) who was born on September 3, 1868 and died on May 23, 1947; and Charles William Bridwell (1872-1952) who was born on July 25, 1872 and died on January 21, 1952. By 1880 the family was living in Millersburg, Kentucky. --What are the sources for this information; without sources, it can all be deleted. And do we really want to know who all her siblings married - question. Parkwells ( talk) 20:58, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
"However, her involvement in the Klan and her writings have been condemned and repudiated by the leadership of the organization she founded, the Pillar of Fire. citation needed The Pillar of Fire continues to hold her in high regard as is evidenced by various commemorations like the naming of the Denver Pillar Of Fire Church, "Alma Temple". [1]"
To the anonymous poster who keeps adding the racism/cracker sentence/phrase:
Of course she was a racist and more specifically she was a white supremacist. Agreeably, these are important and notable aspects of her life. But there are scholarly and journalistic tools for developing language that presents this in an appropriately balanced light. From having personally read much of her writings, I can assure you there were other more notable and even darker aspects of who she was. Much more notable, I believe, is the volume of vicious and demeaning language and images she published about the Catholic Church and to some extent Catholics themselves. I would estimate the ratio of demeaning language and images she published of Catholics versus African Americans to be something on the order of 50 to 1.
Even more notable, I believe, is her "ends justify the means" approach to her brand of feminism. Alma seemed to believe in a “win equality for protestant white women at any cost, minorities be damned” ideology. This is a view that Kristin E. Kandt seems to share in the article she wrote in 2000.
So just to set the record straight, I am no fan of Alma White. But I believe there is a lot we all can learn about intolerance, prejudice and hate by studying her life and legacy.
Additionally, I am also no fan of the Catholic Church either. My perspective of Alma's writings is something like watching two playground bullies enthralled in a knock out fight.
BTW, I do believe this article could be vastly improved and expanded, but hopefully from a scholarly neutral perspective. Buz lightning ( talk) 14:39, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
My friend was an ordained Pillar of Fire minister, and lived at Zarephath for 9 years during the reign of Arthur Kent White. I will continue to consult with him as the the accuracy of this article Rak-Tai ( talk) 07:02, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Added her support of the Klan to the introductory section. -- Bagration1944 ( talk) 18:11, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
User:Cathar11 appears to be adding misinformation to the article. He added "(who was neither a pastor nor a presiding elder)" but a reading of the same source material comes to a different conclusion, that is why adding the quote to the reference is so important. Anyone can point to a multi-page article and say their position is supported by the text. Only the most careful editor will read the entire article, sometime multiple times to see if that position is actually supported. I deleted the parenthetical remark because it didn't appear to be supported by the text,
User:Smjwalsh found a quote that comes to the opposite conclusion, that Godbey was an elder. --
Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (
talk) 16:57, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
The "misinformation" is from the obituary published by the Kentucky Conference of the Methodist Episcopal Church, South, followinghis death which said "“He was neither a pastor nor a presiding elder. He knew nothing of organization and conservation, and gave himself little concern about the management of the affairs of charge or district. He was an evangelist, and this alone occupied his mind and engaged his effort." he was a minister but his ministry was preaching and is also described as eccentric. Contemporary RS like Time magazine when describing White as a bishop used "bishop" (inverted commas). It is now removed but was not misinformation. Cathar11 ( talk) 21:14, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
My non expert understanding of this period of the KKK is it was mostly concerned with Catholics. Klansman and Governor of Mississippi James K. Vardaman was very sympathic to Jews in his Weekly Vardman publication. From what I have read of her writings she really does not mention Jews much, which is a sign of not being obsessed which is a sign of not being an antisemite. I think people who call her an antisemite are confusing the various Klan phases and just assuming an organization like the Klan must have been antisemetic in all its various incarnations. People may also be confusing the Klan with other groups, perhaps Whitecapping which may or may not have had antisemitic motivations. Geo8rge ( talk) 15:37, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
This "Timeline" section is kind of eccentric and simply lists a lot of things already stated in the other sections of the article. And what are these references to her appearing in the U.S. Census at different decades for, as if there were some need of proof that, yes, indeed, she did exist in 1900 and in 1920? Pascalulu88 ( talk) 20:52, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
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She was born as Mollie Alma Bridwell on June 16, 1862 in Kinniconick, Lewis County, Kentucky to William Moncure Bridwell (1825-1907) of Virginia; and Mary Ann Harrison (1832-1921) of Kentucky. William and Mary married on March 19, 1851. Alma's siblings include: Martha Gertrude Bridwell (1853-?) who was born on March 18, 1852 and married a Davis; James Robert Bridwell (1853-?) who was born on March 18, 1852; Emery Bascom Bridwell (1856-1928) who was born on Valentines Day, February 14, 1856 and died on March 28, 1928; Amanda Frances Bridwell (1857-?) who was born on May 31, 1857, married a Savage, and died on March 23, 1938; Ann Eliza Bridwell (1859-1953) who was born on December 16, 1859, married a Boardman, and died on September 26, 1953; Venora Ella Bridwell (1861-1942) who was born on January 18, 1861, married David E. Metlen in 1887, and died on May 9, 1942 in Dillon, Montana; Teresa West Bridwell (1865-1944) who was born on August 16, 1862, married a Meade, and died on May 30, 1944; Kate Laura Bridwell (1867-1935) who was born on February 22, 1867, married a Ferrell, and died on November 3, 1935; Rollie Taylor Bridwell (1868-1947) who was born on September 3, 1868 and died on May 23, 1947; and Charles William Bridwell (1872-1952) who was born on July 25, 1872 and died on January 21, 1952. By 1880 the family was living in Millersburg, Kentucky. --What are the sources for this information; without sources, it can all be deleted. And do we really want to know who all her siblings married - question. Parkwells ( talk) 20:58, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
"However, her involvement in the Klan and her writings have been condemned and repudiated by the leadership of the organization she founded, the Pillar of Fire. citation needed The Pillar of Fire continues to hold her in high regard as is evidenced by various commemorations like the naming of the Denver Pillar Of Fire Church, "Alma Temple". [1]"
To the anonymous poster who keeps adding the racism/cracker sentence/phrase:
Of course she was a racist and more specifically she was a white supremacist. Agreeably, these are important and notable aspects of her life. But there are scholarly and journalistic tools for developing language that presents this in an appropriately balanced light. From having personally read much of her writings, I can assure you there were other more notable and even darker aspects of who she was. Much more notable, I believe, is the volume of vicious and demeaning language and images she published about the Catholic Church and to some extent Catholics themselves. I would estimate the ratio of demeaning language and images she published of Catholics versus African Americans to be something on the order of 50 to 1.
Even more notable, I believe, is her "ends justify the means" approach to her brand of feminism. Alma seemed to believe in a “win equality for protestant white women at any cost, minorities be damned” ideology. This is a view that Kristin E. Kandt seems to share in the article she wrote in 2000.
So just to set the record straight, I am no fan of Alma White. But I believe there is a lot we all can learn about intolerance, prejudice and hate by studying her life and legacy.
Additionally, I am also no fan of the Catholic Church either. My perspective of Alma's writings is something like watching two playground bullies enthralled in a knock out fight.
BTW, I do believe this article could be vastly improved and expanded, but hopefully from a scholarly neutral perspective. Buz lightning ( talk) 14:39, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
My friend was an ordained Pillar of Fire minister, and lived at Zarephath for 9 years during the reign of Arthur Kent White. I will continue to consult with him as the the accuracy of this article Rak-Tai ( talk) 07:02, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Added her support of the Klan to the introductory section. -- Bagration1944 ( talk) 18:11, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
User:Cathar11 appears to be adding misinformation to the article. He added "(who was neither a pastor nor a presiding elder)" but a reading of the same source material comes to a different conclusion, that is why adding the quote to the reference is so important. Anyone can point to a multi-page article and say their position is supported by the text. Only the most careful editor will read the entire article, sometime multiple times to see if that position is actually supported. I deleted the parenthetical remark because it didn't appear to be supported by the text,
User:Smjwalsh found a quote that comes to the opposite conclusion, that Godbey was an elder. --
Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (
talk) 16:57, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
The "misinformation" is from the obituary published by the Kentucky Conference of the Methodist Episcopal Church, South, followinghis death which said "“He was neither a pastor nor a presiding elder. He knew nothing of organization and conservation, and gave himself little concern about the management of the affairs of charge or district. He was an evangelist, and this alone occupied his mind and engaged his effort." he was a minister but his ministry was preaching and is also described as eccentric. Contemporary RS like Time magazine when describing White as a bishop used "bishop" (inverted commas). It is now removed but was not misinformation. Cathar11 ( talk) 21:14, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
My non expert understanding of this period of the KKK is it was mostly concerned with Catholics. Klansman and Governor of Mississippi James K. Vardaman was very sympathic to Jews in his Weekly Vardman publication. From what I have read of her writings she really does not mention Jews much, which is a sign of not being obsessed which is a sign of not being an antisemite. I think people who call her an antisemite are confusing the various Klan phases and just assuming an organization like the Klan must have been antisemetic in all its various incarnations. People may also be confusing the Klan with other groups, perhaps Whitecapping which may or may not have had antisemitic motivations. Geo8rge ( talk) 15:37, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
This "Timeline" section is kind of eccentric and simply lists a lot of things already stated in the other sections of the article. And what are these references to her appearing in the U.S. Census at different decades for, as if there were some need of proof that, yes, indeed, she did exist in 1900 and in 1920? Pascalulu88 ( talk) 20:52, 9 December 2023 (UTC)