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US captures Chemical Ali, Aug. 21, 2003 test [1]
Page protected because of ongoing edit war. Please resolve any disputes on the talk page. -- Someone else 05:13, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)
64.109.135.60 aka User:Nigga please added info about Preservation Jihad which I can't find anywhere else on the net and "Preservation Jihad" returns 0 Google hits. User previously vandalised Ford Thunderbird. M123 05:16, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)
War over for now. Unprotected. Any disputes should still be discussed here. -- Someone else 10:06, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)
What is the deal with this article's footnote number 14? I can't find in the history when this was added, and I am not quite sure how to revert the correct citation.
Where has it been officially determined that it was al-Majid who personally "ordered Halabja," again? I'm looking for evidence or a link to a confession, is all.
Does anyone know WHO dubbed the nickname "Chemical Ali?"
The media did. When one source mentions it, others follow. But chemical Ali suits him for what he did. Man, that guy looks so much like Saddam.
Yes, and he apparantly was executed for it, so if he didn't do it then I would say it was gross miscarriage of justice... Cillmore ( talk) 20:27, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
There's no way to get around this article needing a near-complete rewrite. Prior to my arrival, this article stated (as a fact) that he had personally ordered the Halabja attack despite the ISN never charging or convicting him of such, apparently just because the American media and government have nicknamed him "Chemical Ali." We need references and NPOV, not American talking points. Italiavivi 16:34, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
So the Kurds speak English then? Cillmore ( talk) 20:27, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Beret, black moustache, all these iconic attributes of the younger Ali? -- HanzoHattori 15:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I believe the correct name to be علي حسن عبد المجيد التكريتي (ʿAlī Ḥasan ʿAbdu 'l-Mağīdi 't-Takrītī). The Arabic Wikipedia has علي حسن المجيد (ʿAli Ḥasan al-Mağīd), and so I was happy while we had that name at the head of the article. In Iraq, one is usually named after one's father, and possibly paternal grandfather (see Arabic name). Ali Hassan is Ali the son of Hassan. I did notice that al-Majid is one of the 99 Names of God in the Qur'an, which, when born by a person, should be Abdul Majid (servant of the Glorious One). Now, Ali Hassan and Saddam Hussein are first cousins (sharing a set of grandparents, and Saddam's full name is given as Saddam Hussein Abdul Majid al-Takriti. Thus, it looks likely that the cousins have a common grandfather called Abdul Majid, and that Ali Hassan has abbreviated his grandfather's name in his own name. The al-Tikriti bit (in which the 'l' is properly pronounced as a 't') is simply place of origin — Tikrit. Because of this, I believe that calling Ali Hassan 'al-Majid' by itself is completely wrong. If one name is used, it is 'Ali'. If that looks too short, then it's 'Ali Hassan'. I'll edit the article accordingly. — Gareth Hughes 21:34, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Some fairly reliable sources on the web, including Globalsecurity.org are stating that Ali Hassan al-Majid was born in 1943. At the time of his senencing on June 24, the New York Times referred to him as 61 years old.
Sorces confirming the execution is postponed for Ramadan please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.232.37.250 ( talk) 00:39, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Before they (at last) put him in an other box. -- Captain Obvious and his crime-fighting dog ( talk) 08:19, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7760322.stm 79.71.138.21 ( talk) 10:44, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/03/02/iraq.chemical.ali/index.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomismyname ( talk • Tomismyname) 23:28, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
So he's dead. Good, now he can see what it is like to be those thousands of Kurds he massacred. bastard. 62.189.57.130 ( talk) 15:07, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
The Iraqi Cabinet put pressure on the Presidential council on 17 March 2009 for Al-Majid's "execution"
Why the scare quotes? Yaush ( talk) 16:12, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
yeah, why the scare quotes? 198.175.205.251 ( talk) 20:35, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Just a little note about the inclusion of the birth date (November 30, 1941), which is almost certainly wrong. It was included in 2009 with a reference to a blatantly unreliable website (wiplist.com), a reference that was removed at some later point. I tried to verify that date to no avail. In fact, many sources were quite explicit that his exact birth date is not known. Then in 2010 he died, and The Independent included the same dubious date in its obituary, almost certainly taking it from Wikipedia. And now Wikipedia cites it to The Independent, and I'm told "a reliable source is a reliable source, regardless when it's published"! Mewulwe ( talk) 14:08, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
"the entire town was razed to the ground" vs. "However, the source for this figure was an unsourced claim published in a 2005 New York Times article.[12] The claimed area is larger than the total amount of farmland surrounding Dujail, while less than 2% of the town's population had land confiscated or razed." in Dujail Massacre.
Please someone with time figure out which one is right, thanks :-) Syced ( talk) 14:56, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
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US captures Chemical Ali, Aug. 21, 2003 test [1]
Page protected because of ongoing edit war. Please resolve any disputes on the talk page. -- Someone else 05:13, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)
64.109.135.60 aka User:Nigga please added info about Preservation Jihad which I can't find anywhere else on the net and "Preservation Jihad" returns 0 Google hits. User previously vandalised Ford Thunderbird. M123 05:16, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)
War over for now. Unprotected. Any disputes should still be discussed here. -- Someone else 10:06, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)
What is the deal with this article's footnote number 14? I can't find in the history when this was added, and I am not quite sure how to revert the correct citation.
Where has it been officially determined that it was al-Majid who personally "ordered Halabja," again? I'm looking for evidence or a link to a confession, is all.
Does anyone know WHO dubbed the nickname "Chemical Ali?"
The media did. When one source mentions it, others follow. But chemical Ali suits him for what he did. Man, that guy looks so much like Saddam.
Yes, and he apparantly was executed for it, so if he didn't do it then I would say it was gross miscarriage of justice... Cillmore ( talk) 20:27, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
There's no way to get around this article needing a near-complete rewrite. Prior to my arrival, this article stated (as a fact) that he had personally ordered the Halabja attack despite the ISN never charging or convicting him of such, apparently just because the American media and government have nicknamed him "Chemical Ali." We need references and NPOV, not American talking points. Italiavivi 16:34, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
So the Kurds speak English then? Cillmore ( talk) 20:27, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Beret, black moustache, all these iconic attributes of the younger Ali? -- HanzoHattori 15:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I believe the correct name to be علي حسن عبد المجيد التكريتي (ʿAlī Ḥasan ʿAbdu 'l-Mağīdi 't-Takrītī). The Arabic Wikipedia has علي حسن المجيد (ʿAli Ḥasan al-Mağīd), and so I was happy while we had that name at the head of the article. In Iraq, one is usually named after one's father, and possibly paternal grandfather (see Arabic name). Ali Hassan is Ali the son of Hassan. I did notice that al-Majid is one of the 99 Names of God in the Qur'an, which, when born by a person, should be Abdul Majid (servant of the Glorious One). Now, Ali Hassan and Saddam Hussein are first cousins (sharing a set of grandparents, and Saddam's full name is given as Saddam Hussein Abdul Majid al-Takriti. Thus, it looks likely that the cousins have a common grandfather called Abdul Majid, and that Ali Hassan has abbreviated his grandfather's name in his own name. The al-Tikriti bit (in which the 'l' is properly pronounced as a 't') is simply place of origin — Tikrit. Because of this, I believe that calling Ali Hassan 'al-Majid' by itself is completely wrong. If one name is used, it is 'Ali'. If that looks too short, then it's 'Ali Hassan'. I'll edit the article accordingly. — Gareth Hughes 21:34, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Some fairly reliable sources on the web, including Globalsecurity.org are stating that Ali Hassan al-Majid was born in 1943. At the time of his senencing on June 24, the New York Times referred to him as 61 years old.
Sorces confirming the execution is postponed for Ramadan please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.232.37.250 ( talk) 00:39, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Before they (at last) put him in an other box. -- Captain Obvious and his crime-fighting dog ( talk) 08:19, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7760322.stm 79.71.138.21 ( talk) 10:44, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/03/02/iraq.chemical.ali/index.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomismyname ( talk • Tomismyname) 23:28, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
So he's dead. Good, now he can see what it is like to be those thousands of Kurds he massacred. bastard. 62.189.57.130 ( talk) 15:07, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
The Iraqi Cabinet put pressure on the Presidential council on 17 March 2009 for Al-Majid's "execution"
Why the scare quotes? Yaush ( talk) 16:12, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
yeah, why the scare quotes? 198.175.205.251 ( talk) 20:35, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Just a little note about the inclusion of the birth date (November 30, 1941), which is almost certainly wrong. It was included in 2009 with a reference to a blatantly unreliable website (wiplist.com), a reference that was removed at some later point. I tried to verify that date to no avail. In fact, many sources were quite explicit that his exact birth date is not known. Then in 2010 he died, and The Independent included the same dubious date in its obituary, almost certainly taking it from Wikipedia. And now Wikipedia cites it to The Independent, and I'm told "a reliable source is a reliable source, regardless when it's published"! Mewulwe ( talk) 14:08, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
"the entire town was razed to the ground" vs. "However, the source for this figure was an unsourced claim published in a 2005 New York Times article.[12] The claimed area is larger than the total amount of farmland surrounding Dujail, while less than 2% of the town's population had land confiscated or razed." in Dujail Massacre.
Please someone with time figure out which one is right, thanks :-) Syced ( talk) 14:56, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
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