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I am willing to change the sourcing to the Gawker article that is currently only in the external links. (Cook, John (22 September 2011). "Chief of CIA's 'Global Jihad Unit' Revealed Online". Gawker.com. Retrieved 2 July 2013.) And the text can be rewritten, but the information Marek deleted should stay:
"However, after receiving threats of prosecution under the IIPA from the CIA, Duffy and Nowosielski decided to release the documentary with the names redacted.[13] They claim that their webmaster later posted an email containing the identities by accident. The identities then spread to the wider Internet.[1][20]"
That is how Bikowsky's name was found out. A very important point.
Marek didn't even read the source he claims didn't mention the second and third sentences [7]. The source quote: "It was only then that we discovered our webmaster had briefly and inadvertently placed our entire email to the CIA on our site. Edmonds saw the information and published it. Within minutes the information had spread widely through social media on the Internet."
Marek just summarized the second deletion as "more bullshit." [8] Well, the text is 100% correct. I assume that Marek doesn't like Sibel Edmonds. Fine, she is not a RS for truth claims, but the citation here is to show she publicized the names and is the conduit to widespread dissemination. Maybe the blog post should be cited rather than the podcast, or just use Gawker again, but then suggest that change. Don't delete the text.
Again, Marek didn't read the source for his third deletion. [9] The very first thing on the page says: "Two names have been censored after threats of federal prosecution by CIA in an unprecedented use of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act. Where censorship occurs, the names are listed in brackets []."
@ Volunteer Marek:, you are vandalizing articles I have worked on because I called you out. Stop now, or I will file a complaint. Mnnlaxer ( talk) 04:02, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/10/19/in-germany-cia-official-charged-with-torture.html
https://news.google.com/news/story?ncl=d2uo40mFm2MxbEM5po9qzaCn2NyUM&q=Khalid+El-Masri&lr=English&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCcQqgIwAGoVChMIheet5ZLSyAIVi6geCh30yQDz — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.145.130.93 ( talk) 22:58, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
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It has bene widely reported [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] that the mystery woman reported to be named Audrey Tomason in the famous Situation Room (photograph) is actually Alfreda Bikowsky.
Sources 1 (Gawker), 3 (Washington Post), and 4 (Cryptocomb) are reliable, but none of them identify the woman in the photo as Bikowsky. Source 2, 5, and 6 are not reliable sources. - Mnnlaxer | talk | stalk 23:31, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
I entered a bias tag as a number of negative statements and assertions purporting to be facts are not documented at all and have no legitimate sourcing. Many of the entries sound similar to, quite frankly, the amateurishly ranting entries of someone who had seen Zero Dark Thirty too many times and not liked Jessica Chastain's character or perhaps opposed President Bush's (and to be fair President Obama's) priorities and tactics and strategic thinking in the war on terror. Please DO NOT REMOVE THE TAG until all of the sourcing and documentation issues have been fairly and openly discussed and resolved. The Moody Blue (Talk) 03:17, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
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I am willing to change the sourcing to the Gawker article that is currently only in the external links. (Cook, John (22 September 2011). "Chief of CIA's 'Global Jihad Unit' Revealed Online". Gawker.com. Retrieved 2 July 2013.) And the text can be rewritten, but the information Marek deleted should stay:
"However, after receiving threats of prosecution under the IIPA from the CIA, Duffy and Nowosielski decided to release the documentary with the names redacted.[13] They claim that their webmaster later posted an email containing the identities by accident. The identities then spread to the wider Internet.[1][20]"
That is how Bikowsky's name was found out. A very important point.
Marek didn't even read the source he claims didn't mention the second and third sentences [7]. The source quote: "It was only then that we discovered our webmaster had briefly and inadvertently placed our entire email to the CIA on our site. Edmonds saw the information and published it. Within minutes the information had spread widely through social media on the Internet."
Marek just summarized the second deletion as "more bullshit." [8] Well, the text is 100% correct. I assume that Marek doesn't like Sibel Edmonds. Fine, she is not a RS for truth claims, but the citation here is to show she publicized the names and is the conduit to widespread dissemination. Maybe the blog post should be cited rather than the podcast, or just use Gawker again, but then suggest that change. Don't delete the text.
Again, Marek didn't read the source for his third deletion. [9] The very first thing on the page says: "Two names have been censored after threats of federal prosecution by CIA in an unprecedented use of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act. Where censorship occurs, the names are listed in brackets []."
@ Volunteer Marek:, you are vandalizing articles I have worked on because I called you out. Stop now, or I will file a complaint. Mnnlaxer ( talk) 04:02, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/10/19/in-germany-cia-official-charged-with-torture.html
https://news.google.com/news/story?ncl=d2uo40mFm2MxbEM5po9qzaCn2NyUM&q=Khalid+El-Masri&lr=English&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCcQqgIwAGoVChMIheet5ZLSyAIVi6geCh30yQDz — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.145.130.93 ( talk) 22:58, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
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User:drawplain added this photo and text:
It has bene widely reported [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] that the mystery woman reported to be named Audrey Tomason in the famous Situation Room (photograph) is actually Alfreda Bikowsky.
Sources 1 (Gawker), 3 (Washington Post), and 4 (Cryptocomb) are reliable, but none of them identify the woman in the photo as Bikowsky. Source 2, 5, and 6 are not reliable sources. - Mnnlaxer | talk | stalk 23:31, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
I entered a bias tag as a number of negative statements and assertions purporting to be facts are not documented at all and have no legitimate sourcing. Many of the entries sound similar to, quite frankly, the amateurishly ranting entries of someone who had seen Zero Dark Thirty too many times and not liked Jessica Chastain's character or perhaps opposed President Bush's (and to be fair President Obama's) priorities and tactics and strategic thinking in the war on terror. Please DO NOT REMOVE THE TAG until all of the sourcing and documentation issues have been fairly and openly discussed and resolved. The Moody Blue (Talk) 03:17, 21 March 2019 (UTC)