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– The page views suggest there is no primary topic. Apart from the fish genus (348 views last year), there are two topics with the name: the people (4,394 views) and the language. To get a corresponding figure for the pageviews of the language, we could start with the observation that the
Akawaio language is currently treated jointly with
Patamona language in a single article called
Kapóng language. Considering that the two constituent topics appear to be of equal significance (the pageviews of
Patamona people are roughly equal to those for Akawaio), one can infer that around half of the 7,819 views of that article could be accounted for by the Akawaio language. This means a split of 51% – 45% – 4%, which clearly indicates absence of a primary topic. –
Uanfala (talk) 17:31, 10 January 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Of topics named "Akawaio", the people receive
78% of the traffic. It's hard to know how many people visit
Kapóng language looking for the Akawaio variety (other than through the
Akawaio language redirect, which gets 8% of the traffic) as the Akawaio are not the only speakers of that language, and at any rate the article is not titled "Akawaio".--
Cúchullaint/
c 03:22, 11 January 2021 (UTC)reply
Your link is for Aguaruna, not Akawaio. Also, you can't compare views for articles with views for redirects, as the difference in traffic they receive is usually of an order of magnitude. You can use the
Redirect views to make the sort of broad comparisons between topics that we're both aiming to do here. I'd also recommend having a look at
Wikipedia:Pageviews and primary topics. And yes, the language article isn't titled "Akawaio", but roughly half of its topical extent covers the Akawaio language. What the actual title happens to be is beside the point, as long as readers will type "Akawaio" looking for information on that language. –
Uanfala (talk) 04:33, 11 January 2021 (UTC)reply
I've corrected the link.--
Cúchullaint/
c 04:34, 11 January 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment In doing a lot of work on Guyana, I am always mis-judging peoples vs. language if it's not patently obvious when I'm making wiki-links or searching. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if I'm solely responsible for any recent rise in page views. I find a terrific amount of misnaming and misspellings for indigenous groups on the Guyana side, even within the same publication, so I'd be cautious to use pageviews because at least in my case, they come from confusion rather than certainty. Here's an editorial of someone
self-identifying as "Kapong" that even elaborates on all the plethora of names.
Estheim (
talk) 22:08, 11 January 2021 (UTC)reply
Support per Uanfala's rationale. The current setup risks bad incoming links. (
t ·
c) buidhe 19:00, 17 January 2021 (UTC)reply
Support. And this is a common problem, of a people and a language group sharing the same name. In this situation it is natural for some contributors to just assume that the article at the base name is the language, if that is their area of interest, and others that it is the people. And when they mislink they get no warning. But if the DAB is at the
base name these mislinkings will be identified and corrected. Perhaps we should have a naming convention on this, but meantime on the basis of
IAR and other arguments above we should fix this one.
Andrewa (
talk) 17:42, 18 January 2021 (UTC)reply
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move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
– The page views suggest there is no primary topic. Apart from the fish genus (348 views last year), there are two topics with the name: the people (4,394 views) and the language. To get a corresponding figure for the pageviews of the language, we could start with the observation that the
Akawaio language is currently treated jointly with
Patamona language in a single article called
Kapóng language. Considering that the two constituent topics appear to be of equal significance (the pageviews of
Patamona people are roughly equal to those for Akawaio), one can infer that around half of the 7,819 views of that article could be accounted for by the Akawaio language. This means a split of 51% – 45% – 4%, which clearly indicates absence of a primary topic. –
Uanfala (talk) 17:31, 10 January 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Of topics named "Akawaio", the people receive
78% of the traffic. It's hard to know how many people visit
Kapóng language looking for the Akawaio variety (other than through the
Akawaio language redirect, which gets 8% of the traffic) as the Akawaio are not the only speakers of that language, and at any rate the article is not titled "Akawaio".--
Cúchullaint/
c 03:22, 11 January 2021 (UTC)reply
Your link is for Aguaruna, not Akawaio. Also, you can't compare views for articles with views for redirects, as the difference in traffic they receive is usually of an order of magnitude. You can use the
Redirect views to make the sort of broad comparisons between topics that we're both aiming to do here. I'd also recommend having a look at
Wikipedia:Pageviews and primary topics. And yes, the language article isn't titled "Akawaio", but roughly half of its topical extent covers the Akawaio language. What the actual title happens to be is beside the point, as long as readers will type "Akawaio" looking for information on that language. –
Uanfala (talk) 04:33, 11 January 2021 (UTC)reply
I've corrected the link.--
Cúchullaint/
c 04:34, 11 January 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment In doing a lot of work on Guyana, I am always mis-judging peoples vs. language if it's not patently obvious when I'm making wiki-links or searching. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if I'm solely responsible for any recent rise in page views. I find a terrific amount of misnaming and misspellings for indigenous groups on the Guyana side, even within the same publication, so I'd be cautious to use pageviews because at least in my case, they come from confusion rather than certainty. Here's an editorial of someone
self-identifying as "Kapong" that even elaborates on all the plethora of names.
Estheim (
talk) 22:08, 11 January 2021 (UTC)reply
Support per Uanfala's rationale. The current setup risks bad incoming links. (
t ·
c) buidhe 19:00, 17 January 2021 (UTC)reply
Support. And this is a common problem, of a people and a language group sharing the same name. In this situation it is natural for some contributors to just assume that the article at the base name is the language, if that is their area of interest, and others that it is the people. And when they mislink they get no warning. But if the DAB is at the
base name these mislinkings will be identified and corrected. Perhaps we should have a naming convention on this, but meantime on the basis of
IAR and other arguments above we should fix this one.
Andrewa (
talk) 17:42, 18 January 2021 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.