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The Kitab Yahya could probably be added to the list of 'recognised books'. Yahya was also known as 'John the Baptist', and is the primary figure in the Sabian religion. The Book of John is their principal sacred text. Sabians are specifically cited in the Holy Qur'an in surah 2, ayah 62 and again in surah 5, ayah 69 - as people who 'shall have their reward with God' (just like Jews and Christians). And Prophet Yahya is mentioned too in surah 19, ayah 12 - as having received a Book from Allah. DLMcN ( talk) 20:45, 22 March 2011 (UTC) DLMcN ( talk) 20:47, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
I suggest to merge the contents from Indian Ahmadis here. All sections are One or Two liner. -- ɑηsuмaη ʈ ᶏ ɭ Ϟ 14:25, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
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I am well versed about Ahmadiyya Islam, So I want to Edit.
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Please change [in the Demographics section]
Estimates of the worldwide population of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community vary widely. Some internal sources estimate the worldwide population to be as high as 200 million. [1]
to
Estimates of the worldwide population of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community vary widely. Some internal sources estimate the worldwide population to be between 80 million [2] and 200 million. [3]
the source is http://www.alislam.org/egazette/press-release/muslim-leader-urges-peaceful-propagation-of-islam/ for 2009 demographics
178.111.28.86 ( talk) 10:50, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Is there any particular reason for the maps on the right being displayed? They don't seem to show anything. 1812ahill ( talk) 03:24, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
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On the official website of Foreign Office (Germany) is stated that Pakistan has approximately 1 million Ahmadis. [4] [5]
Link in German Language:
http://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/DE/Aussenpolitik/Laender/Laenderinfos/01-Nodes_Uebersichtsseiten/Pakistan_node.html
Link in English Translation (Google):
http://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.auswaertiges-amt.de%2FDE%2FAussenpolitik%2FLaender%2FLaenderinfos%2F01-Nodes_Uebersichtsseiten%2FPakistan_node.html
Please check the links I have posted above. It is the official website of the foreign ministry / department of state from Germany. It's in German Language, but with Google Translator you can read it in English. Take a look at: Religions / churches
Translated with Google: Religions / churches: Islam is the state religion (96% of the population, mostly Sunnis, between 15 and 20% Shi'ites). The Ahmadis are a marginalized by the official Islamic Muslim religious community, with approximately 1 million members. In addition to about 3 million Hindus estimated 2.8 million Christians living in Pakistan, besides Parsis, Sikhs, Buddhists, Baha'is.
It is absolutely a reliable source from German Government. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adnan933 ( talk • contribs) 11:57, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Please take a look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_Muslim_Community#Demographics
"Some internal sources estimate the worldwide population to be as high as 200 million."
This is not correct.
The worldwide population is about 10 million.
sources:
2011: http://www.trust.org/alertnet/news/pakistani-ahmadis-seek-temporary-refuge-in-bangkok
Human Rights Watch
2010: 10 Million http://www.hrw.org/news/2010/06/01/pakistan-massacre-minority-ahmadis
2012: 10 Million http://www.hrw.org/news/2012/05/27/pakistan-prosecute-ahmadi-massacre-suspects
BBC says 10 Million: 2010: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8711026.stm
sources from Ahmadiyya:
On the official website of ahmadiyya is stated "tens of millions" http://www.alislam.org/introduction/index.html
Ahmadiyya US says also "tens of millions" http://www.ahmadiyya.us/documents/doc_download/915-20120208-release-sikh-temple-vandalism http://www.amacc.org.uk/about-us/
Ahmadiyya Canada says 10 million http://www.ahmadiyya.ca/jalsa/topstories.php?StoryId=10 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adnan933 ( talk • contribs) 12:08, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Ahmadiyya claims by year are irrelevant for writing on a encyclopedia. Please use reliable sources. -- Ceddyfresse ( talk) 22:43, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
In my previous posts I've proved that there is a big lie on this wikipedia article and I can't understand why you are not changing it. There are NO 200 millions ahmadis. Where is the proof? There is NO proof! Please read my previous posts with many statements from the ahmadiyya itself and press articles. IT IS CONTRADICTORY! It is important that there are no lies on wikipedia!
What is the exact problem to say on the article that the ahmadiyya itself says nowadays "tens of millions" and non-ahmadi media says 10 to 15. Please do a research by yourself and don't support lies! Adnan933 ( talk) 14:11, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
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please do not caLL ahmadis as ahmedia muslim community...ahmadis are ahmadis the followers of a new man made religion...they have nothing to do with islam...change the title as ahmedia community only please.
203.175.64.100 ( talk) 09:57, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
This article should focus on matters and information specific to the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, not to the Ahmadiyya faith in general. Tenets of Ahmadiyya faith and its history should be discussed at length at Ahmadiyya, not here. Therefore, I suggest the entire sections "Six articles of faith" and "History", and large portions of "Fulfilment of Prophecy" (except for a paragraph highlighting the differences with the mainstream Islam and with Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement) are merged to Ahmadiyya which should remain a "model article" for all information related to this religion. kashmiri TALK 09:39, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
Here I set out a proposal: I have never really made any significant input to this page, but whoever did write the initial write-up several years ago seems to have done so with good intentions keeping in view NPOV, only the fact is this NPOV is increasingly clashing with WP:UNDUE. The Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement represents a tiny fraction (<0.2% considering 15 million total estimate) of the mainstream Ahmadiyya movement and the main article Ahmadiyya seems to portray that the two sects are almost equally proportional with the main Ahmadiyya Muslim community only slightly larger. With this in mind, I intend to bring a major change to both articles Ahmadiyya and Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. Offcourse every article has its own uniqueness, but often it is best to take a good glimpse at other similar articles to see the way forward. Bahai Faith is a Featured article and like any other faith it has divisions and the only mention on the main page is:
With all the points mentioned above, here I set out some proposals for the relevant articles:
Please do comment. Every comment should be helpful. I will probably not go ahead with the above proposal until some time. So if editors come to the conclusion that the above proposal is the right thing to do, then please go ahead. --Peace world 15:11, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Firstly, I think it is a good proposal provided it is carried out carefully and sensitively. I think although the Lahore branch represents a small fraction, they are an important part of Ahmadiyya history and indeed their work needs to be acknowledged but it needs to made clear as to their influence and numbers compared to the larger Ahmadiyya movement (lead by the khulafa) on the main page. However, the Lahore branch is not that significant in numbers or different in beliefs than the larger Ahmadiyya branch for there to be three separate articles on the Ahmadiyya movement. Also, If the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community page is to be merged I think the Lahore branch still merits a whole separate section within the article and their differences highlighted (perhaps linking to a page which discusses these in more detail). The section on “Distinct Ahmadiyya Beliefs” should be kept.
Secondly, I think if it is merged then in order to avoid the article becoming overly long, we need to omit such detailed discussion as is unnecessary, for example such a detailed mention of the six articles of faith is hardly necessary, they are pretty much the same as the rest of the Muslim world and only brief mention is enough in any article linked to Ahmadiyya. We should keep in view that Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia and not a platform for proselytising.
Thirdly, from what I understand the two groups have a different take on their history particularly with relation to the split and its causes. This needs to be taken into account and the separate article on the Lahore branch be kept as separate. The same goes for the leaders/successors. Note that Wikipedia has the benefit of interlinking articles on related subjects so for example a brief generalised account of the history or beliefs or on leadership applicable to both groups in the main article can be given with a link to the article on the Lahore branch where a different account may be given. This way readers will not think such details are missing or incomplete and your concern for 'gaps' can be remedied with such linkages. The origin of name should be kept on the main Ahmadiyya page as it is for it is a name which unites both groups despite the auxiliary names of countries etc.
Fourthly, whereas I agree these articles and others linked to Ahmadiyya do need major changes in form and structure, they also need major changes in contents. I have frequently encountered bits which diverge from neutrality or use such venerative terms as "hazrat" (hioliness) or "promised messiah". Besides this the standard of English used in some articles linked to Ahmadiyya is also appalling. The frequency/quantity of such anomalies is far too great for one person to deal with. Sirius86 ( talk) 21:54, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
what is ahmadia which start now 1889..? what is power of qadiani — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.55.38.163 ( talk) 16:33, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
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The Kitab Yahya could probably be added to the list of 'recognised books'. Yahya was also known as 'John the Baptist', and is the primary figure in the Sabian religion. The Book of John is their principal sacred text. Sabians are specifically cited in the Holy Qur'an in surah 2, ayah 62 and again in surah 5, ayah 69 - as people who 'shall have their reward with God' (just like Jews and Christians). And Prophet Yahya is mentioned too in surah 19, ayah 12 - as having received a Book from Allah. DLMcN ( talk) 20:45, 22 March 2011 (UTC) DLMcN ( talk) 20:47, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
I suggest to merge the contents from Indian Ahmadis here. All sections are One or Two liner. -- ɑηsuмaη ʈ ᶏ ɭ Ϟ 14:25, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
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I am well versed about Ahmadiyya Islam, So I want to Edit.
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Please change [in the Demographics section]
Estimates of the worldwide population of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community vary widely. Some internal sources estimate the worldwide population to be as high as 200 million. [1]
to
Estimates of the worldwide population of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community vary widely. Some internal sources estimate the worldwide population to be between 80 million [2] and 200 million. [3]
the source is http://www.alislam.org/egazette/press-release/muslim-leader-urges-peaceful-propagation-of-islam/ for 2009 demographics
178.111.28.86 ( talk) 10:50, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Is there any particular reason for the maps on the right being displayed? They don't seem to show anything. 1812ahill ( talk) 03:24, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
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Please update the page.
On the official website of Foreign Office (Germany) is stated that Pakistan has approximately 1 million Ahmadis. [4] [5]
Link in German Language:
http://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/DE/Aussenpolitik/Laender/Laenderinfos/01-Nodes_Uebersichtsseiten/Pakistan_node.html
Link in English Translation (Google):
http://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.auswaertiges-amt.de%2FDE%2FAussenpolitik%2FLaender%2FLaenderinfos%2F01-Nodes_Uebersichtsseiten%2FPakistan_node.html
Please check the links I have posted above. It is the official website of the foreign ministry / department of state from Germany. It's in German Language, but with Google Translator you can read it in English. Take a look at: Religions / churches
Translated with Google: Religions / churches: Islam is the state religion (96% of the population, mostly Sunnis, between 15 and 20% Shi'ites). The Ahmadis are a marginalized by the official Islamic Muslim religious community, with approximately 1 million members. In addition to about 3 million Hindus estimated 2.8 million Christians living in Pakistan, besides Parsis, Sikhs, Buddhists, Baha'is.
It is absolutely a reliable source from German Government. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adnan933 ( talk • contribs) 11:57, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Please take a look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_Muslim_Community#Demographics
"Some internal sources estimate the worldwide population to be as high as 200 million."
This is not correct.
The worldwide population is about 10 million.
sources:
2011: http://www.trust.org/alertnet/news/pakistani-ahmadis-seek-temporary-refuge-in-bangkok
Human Rights Watch
2010: 10 Million http://www.hrw.org/news/2010/06/01/pakistan-massacre-minority-ahmadis
2012: 10 Million http://www.hrw.org/news/2012/05/27/pakistan-prosecute-ahmadi-massacre-suspects
BBC says 10 Million: 2010: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8711026.stm
sources from Ahmadiyya:
On the official website of ahmadiyya is stated "tens of millions" http://www.alislam.org/introduction/index.html
Ahmadiyya US says also "tens of millions" http://www.ahmadiyya.us/documents/doc_download/915-20120208-release-sikh-temple-vandalism http://www.amacc.org.uk/about-us/
Ahmadiyya Canada says 10 million http://www.ahmadiyya.ca/jalsa/topstories.php?StoryId=10 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adnan933 ( talk • contribs) 12:08, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Ahmadiyya claims by year are irrelevant for writing on a encyclopedia. Please use reliable sources. -- Ceddyfresse ( talk) 22:43, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
In my previous posts I've proved that there is a big lie on this wikipedia article and I can't understand why you are not changing it. There are NO 200 millions ahmadis. Where is the proof? There is NO proof! Please read my previous posts with many statements from the ahmadiyya itself and press articles. IT IS CONTRADICTORY! It is important that there are no lies on wikipedia!
What is the exact problem to say on the article that the ahmadiyya itself says nowadays "tens of millions" and non-ahmadi media says 10 to 15. Please do a research by yourself and don't support lies! Adnan933 ( talk) 14:11, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
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edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
please do not caLL ahmadis as ahmedia muslim community...ahmadis are ahmadis the followers of a new man made religion...they have nothing to do with islam...change the title as ahmedia community only please.
203.175.64.100 ( talk) 09:57, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
This article should focus on matters and information specific to the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, not to the Ahmadiyya faith in general. Tenets of Ahmadiyya faith and its history should be discussed at length at Ahmadiyya, not here. Therefore, I suggest the entire sections "Six articles of faith" and "History", and large portions of "Fulfilment of Prophecy" (except for a paragraph highlighting the differences with the mainstream Islam and with Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement) are merged to Ahmadiyya which should remain a "model article" for all information related to this religion. kashmiri TALK 09:39, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
Here I set out a proposal: I have never really made any significant input to this page, but whoever did write the initial write-up several years ago seems to have done so with good intentions keeping in view NPOV, only the fact is this NPOV is increasingly clashing with WP:UNDUE. The Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement represents a tiny fraction (<0.2% considering 15 million total estimate) of the mainstream Ahmadiyya movement and the main article Ahmadiyya seems to portray that the two sects are almost equally proportional with the main Ahmadiyya Muslim community only slightly larger. With this in mind, I intend to bring a major change to both articles Ahmadiyya and Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. Offcourse every article has its own uniqueness, but often it is best to take a good glimpse at other similar articles to see the way forward. Bahai Faith is a Featured article and like any other faith it has divisions and the only mention on the main page is:
With all the points mentioned above, here I set out some proposals for the relevant articles:
Please do comment. Every comment should be helpful. I will probably not go ahead with the above proposal until some time. So if editors come to the conclusion that the above proposal is the right thing to do, then please go ahead. --Peace world 15:11, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Firstly, I think it is a good proposal provided it is carried out carefully and sensitively. I think although the Lahore branch represents a small fraction, they are an important part of Ahmadiyya history and indeed their work needs to be acknowledged but it needs to made clear as to their influence and numbers compared to the larger Ahmadiyya movement (lead by the khulafa) on the main page. However, the Lahore branch is not that significant in numbers or different in beliefs than the larger Ahmadiyya branch for there to be three separate articles on the Ahmadiyya movement. Also, If the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community page is to be merged I think the Lahore branch still merits a whole separate section within the article and their differences highlighted (perhaps linking to a page which discusses these in more detail). The section on “Distinct Ahmadiyya Beliefs” should be kept.
Secondly, I think if it is merged then in order to avoid the article becoming overly long, we need to omit such detailed discussion as is unnecessary, for example such a detailed mention of the six articles of faith is hardly necessary, they are pretty much the same as the rest of the Muslim world and only brief mention is enough in any article linked to Ahmadiyya. We should keep in view that Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia and not a platform for proselytising.
Thirdly, from what I understand the two groups have a different take on their history particularly with relation to the split and its causes. This needs to be taken into account and the separate article on the Lahore branch be kept as separate. The same goes for the leaders/successors. Note that Wikipedia has the benefit of interlinking articles on related subjects so for example a brief generalised account of the history or beliefs or on leadership applicable to both groups in the main article can be given with a link to the article on the Lahore branch where a different account may be given. This way readers will not think such details are missing or incomplete and your concern for 'gaps' can be remedied with such linkages. The origin of name should be kept on the main Ahmadiyya page as it is for it is a name which unites both groups despite the auxiliary names of countries etc.
Fourthly, whereas I agree these articles and others linked to Ahmadiyya do need major changes in form and structure, they also need major changes in contents. I have frequently encountered bits which diverge from neutrality or use such venerative terms as "hazrat" (hioliness) or "promised messiah". Besides this the standard of English used in some articles linked to Ahmadiyya is also appalling. The frequency/quantity of such anomalies is far too great for one person to deal with. Sirius86 ( talk) 21:54, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
what is ahmadia which start now 1889..? what is power of qadiani — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.55.38.163 ( talk) 16:33, 24 April 2014 (UTC)