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Adelaide has living descendants through her daughters. I understand that from the Medieval point of view, the Carolingian house was kaput, but from a modern perspective, it was simply shoved aside due to a belief that women could not inherit. Dynasty has several meanings - and Adelaide's children went on to become powerful women and important forces in history for the next 300 years. I think the article needs to reflect this distinction between the Medieval view (which should be explained) and the modern view (which would include some notion of actual biologic descendancy).LeValley 17:41, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
Hugh's wife's name is given as Aelis de Vermandois in Jirí Louda and Michael MacLagan, Lines of Succession: Heraldry of the Royal Families of Europe, 2nd edition (London, U.K.: Little, Brown and Company, 1999), table 64, so I'm confused. I do know that many naming customs could be involved here (so perhaps Adelaide is as an English equivalent for Aelis in the 11-12th centuries. The Lines of Succession is considered authoritative, but it is often not up to date as to very recent scholarly research. It does not give an English translation for Aelis, but it refers to her daughter, Isabelle, as Elizabeth, perhaps because Isabelle actually spent time in England and was an English Countess. Adelaide is also in the Compete Peerage as Aelis. Contemporary genealogical sites often give Aelis's name as Adelheid, and Jamie Allen lists Aelis, Adele and Adelaide as cognate names for the 10th century. Allen makes no mention of her ever being named Aelis (just like the Wiki) so I suspect there could be another (uncited) source for this information. I will provide the citation I have for her name, parentage and birth date.LeValley 20:31, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
I have reviewed the article and removed all years specified, for which we actually have no primary source. This is especially true for example, for the birth years of her children, none of which are sourced to any primary document. Wjhonson ( talk) 18:28, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
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Adelaide has living descendants through her daughters. I understand that from the Medieval point of view, the Carolingian house was kaput, but from a modern perspective, it was simply shoved aside due to a belief that women could not inherit. Dynasty has several meanings - and Adelaide's children went on to become powerful women and important forces in history for the next 300 years. I think the article needs to reflect this distinction between the Medieval view (which should be explained) and the modern view (which would include some notion of actual biologic descendancy).LeValley 17:41, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
Hugh's wife's name is given as Aelis de Vermandois in Jirí Louda and Michael MacLagan, Lines of Succession: Heraldry of the Royal Families of Europe, 2nd edition (London, U.K.: Little, Brown and Company, 1999), table 64, so I'm confused. I do know that many naming customs could be involved here (so perhaps Adelaide is as an English equivalent for Aelis in the 11-12th centuries. The Lines of Succession is considered authoritative, but it is often not up to date as to very recent scholarly research. It does not give an English translation for Aelis, but it refers to her daughter, Isabelle, as Elizabeth, perhaps because Isabelle actually spent time in England and was an English Countess. Adelaide is also in the Compete Peerage as Aelis. Contemporary genealogical sites often give Aelis's name as Adelheid, and Jamie Allen lists Aelis, Adele and Adelaide as cognate names for the 10th century. Allen makes no mention of her ever being named Aelis (just like the Wiki) so I suspect there could be another (uncited) source for this information. I will provide the citation I have for her name, parentage and birth date.LeValley 20:31, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
I have reviewed the article and removed all years specified, for which we actually have no primary source. This is especially true for example, for the birth years of her children, none of which are sourced to any primary document. Wjhonson ( talk) 18:28, 1 October 2014 (UTC)