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Draft contains more information about division Robert McClenon ( talk) 23:43, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
Dear Prolix, I just removed multiple links from the main article namespace which were directly pointed towards entity's own website(s). can I have your opinion on this? - Hatchens ( talk) 11:49, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
I may partly agree and partly disagree with fellow reviewers User:Hatchens and User:Curb Safe Charmer. I don't think that establishing separate corporate notability for any Adani subsidiaries should be based on identifying the best three references. The Rule of Three is meant to deal with reference-bombing to try to establish notability of run-of-the-mill corporations. We already know that Adani is notable, and there already is an article. The question is whether to split the article. Wikipedia has been inconsistent about when to list multiple divisions of parent corporations or parent conglomerates. The question that must be asked before we can even discuss any splitting is one that there has been a hand wave about in the past. That is what the affiliation of the editors who are proposing splitting the article is with any of the Adani units. Editors who have any conflict of interest should, in my opinion, simply be ignored with regard to splitting out multiple divisions. That call should be made only by established neutral editors. I say that we only need one article. If other reviewers are of the opinion that we should have multiple articles, I will accept the judgment of a rough consensus of neutral editors.
We agree that Adani is notable, and there is an article. The decision as to whether there should be multiple articles can be made only by neutral editors. Robert McClenon ( talk) 19:13, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
1.News reference as per
WP:RS -
[4],
2.The independent analyst reports as per
WP:LISTED-
[5],
3.Significant coverage as per
WP:SIGCOV in a book -
[6].
Many such references are there that's why I am suggesting a split.
Pillechan
(പിള്ളേച്ചനോട് പറ) 05:06, 21 July 2021 (UTC) (
sock strike —
DaxServer (
t ·
m ·
c) 15:44, 28 February 2023 (UTC))
I suggest to add the registration date and under registered act or law 202.179.92.246 ( talk) 05:25, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
I have removed everything from the "Awards and recognition" section and some fluff content from "Philanthropy" section per WP:NOTADVERT. Non-notable and/or non-independent awards should not be included as per our content and quality standards. The Brand Trust Report award, All India Maritime and Logistics Awards, Economic Times awards, GTM Research award, Reader's Digest Trusted Brand Award, ACEF ASIAN LEADERSHIP AWARDS, CSR awards are not just poorly sourced, but are also non-notable awards. Content removed from "Philanthropy" section is just poorly sourced. — hako9 ( talk) 16:42, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
An invitation to User:Saintstephen000 to explain what content I have whitewashed. 49.37.243.97 ( talk) 05:39, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
on routine vandal patrol, we noticed an ip editor removing cited and relevant content from a contentious article. upon double checking, we noticed a pattern that suggested a series of biased editing, a removal of cited controversial content. we reverted, naturally, and the ip editor feigned ignorance and persisted with the deletion campaign. we of course could be wrong, thanks for bringing it to our attention.
Saintstephen000 ( talk) 05:53, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
thanks again for your patience, I'm just reading all about the controversies where an ip editor removed citations, in between market cap edits and before other changing of cited content. this is a very interesting article, and we believe it might justify having non biased rewrite when time allows, thanks again for helping us create an awesome encyclopedia Saintstephen000 ( talk) 06:16, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
thanks again for taking the time to look at these "removal of sourced content" edits. we always appreciate when an uninvolved editor such as perhaps yourself takes the time to explain Wikipedia minutae join the interests of building a better encyclopedia. surely, you can see where the sourced content was removed by the ip editor, along with prose that might be seen as unflattering to some involved with the controversy?
well, anyway, good times to you, Saintstephen000 ( talk) 06:43, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
I think there ought to be a section explaining what it is. The company website says that the Adani Group is a diversified organisation in India comprising 7 publicly traded companies.
[7]--
Toddy1
(talk) 18:19, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
I think the bulk of the 2021-2022 fraud material (see also https://republicaninformer.com/huge-company-loses-100-billion-after-enron-type-scandal-unfolds/) should be moved to the history section, which currently does not even touch it. Kdammers ( talk) 02:09, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
Sections or article titles should generally not include the word "controversies".
best practice is to incorporate positive and negative material into the same section.See WP:CSECTION.-- Toddy1 (talk) 06:56, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
This Page is getting edited constantly and getting vandalised too. This Page is about a company who has been involved in controversies and both sides have been editing this wikipedia page to include questionable things. On the 23rd of February, This page was edited to show the Name of the Group as "Adani Fraud Group". Reverting this took 30 minutes. Vandalism of this page can occur again, and do protect it, this page should be, at least, semi protected. Several such edits have happened in the past 48 hours alone. SunnyandBunny 21 ( talk) 13:20, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
The section is a kind of meta commentary per WP:SUBJECT. More importantly, asserting, In its article on Signpost, Wikipedia said..., is incorrect. Articles/reports on the Signpost are just volunteer contributions; neither ratified by any other editors nor by the foundation. Willing to consider retaining the section if there are instances of UPE/COI edits made by a person/organization, being mentioned on their own wiki page, but I don't think we do. We usually do it through {{ Press}} on the talk page. — hako9 ( talk) 00:44, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
it is alleged in reliable Indian news sources that the Adani Group has been manipulating articles on Wikipediathat allegation comes from Signpost; not independently by those sources. This is akin to circular reporting. — hako9 ( talk) 15:07, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
The Signpost is produced by volunteers, and is independent of the Wikimedia Foundation and other Wikimedia organizations.There have been other insightful and well-researched reports by the Signpost team earlier, like [8] and [9], which may have received media coverage. Have there been instances where we included those in the articles of those mentioned? Genuinely asking btw. — hako9 ( talk) 03:13, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi
Toddy1,
Regarding the part:
Adani Group has
naming rights on Hegvold Stadium (now known as Adani Arena) in
Rockhampton and the
pavilion end of the
Narendra Modi Stadium in Ahmedabad.
I don't see any value/information addition in this part.
I have removed your edit, let's come to talkpage consensus rather than edit warring. I can loop in any other editors if you feel like.
Thanks,
Strandofhair (
talk) 12:36, 26 February 2023 (UTC) See:
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Padmalakshmisx/Archive#28 February 2023
Per WP:NPOV, I agree with Iskandar323, if this company has been involved in such showboating and close connections with the present ruling government of India, [11] it should be included. As explained above, One of the stadium is actually named after Modi. If we don't include even the dubious acts, this is not what Wikipedia is for. We already have reliable sources to back this up, these are from independent publications and nothing seems to be "irrelevant" or something out of context related to the article. This content removal is similar to the previous discussion we had here. ✠ Rejoy2003 ✠ (contact) 12:08, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
MOS:SEAOFBLUE says: When possible, avoid placing links next to each other so that they look like a single link (a "sea of blue")
. To my way of thinking: "
Stock manipulation,
accounting irregularities,
cronyism,
tax evasion,
Environmental damage, and
sueing journalists" looks like a "sea of blue". It is also wrongly capitalised, and misspells "suing".--
Toddy1
(talk) 19:35, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
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Remove violating Wiki guidelines external links - see WP:ELNO 103.241.226.128 ( talk) 11:44, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
Due to recent edit warring, this page has been protected for a week. Please use this time to discuss what is appropriate for the page. If you come to an agreement prior to the expiration of the protection, feel free to request unprotection at WP:RFPU, where for the avoidance of doubt any uninvolved admin is authorised to remove protection without reference to me. You can use the template {{ editprotected}} if there are urgent agreed edits needing to be made whilst the article is protected, but this is not for use in the event I have protected m:The Wrong Version of the page. Stifle ( talk) 08:57, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
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Help required in removing the following text from lede;
"According to Business Today report In the financial year 2022-2023, the Adani Group reported income of Rs. 1,38,175 crore and EBIDTA of Rs. 10,025 crore. The net worth of its assets, including non-controlling interest, was Rs. 37,890 crore. From the ten listed companies of the Group are Adani Enterprises Limited, Adani Ports and Special Economic Zone Limited, Adani Power Limited, Adani Green Energy Limited, Adani Energy Solutions Limited, Adani Wilmar Limited, Adani Total Gas Limited, Ambuja Cements Limited, ACC Limited and NDTV."
These earnings reports are deemed superfluous. If anyone wishes to incorporate them, they may request an infobox update backed by reliable Wikipedia sources. Charlie ( talk) 03:43, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
This article has been revised as part of a large-scale clean-up project of multiple article copyright infringement. (See the investigation subpage) Earlier text must not be restored, unless it can be verified to be free of infringement. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions must be deleted. Contributors may use sources as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously. ARandomName123 ( talk)Ping me! 03:15, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
A user correctly marked the section on cronyism and malfeasance as "excessive citations". However, this section has been a target for a number of newly minted and IP-based accounts attempting to remove it. Since it's 'contentious', or at least many IP-address editors have question its various claims, it seems like a good idea to keep a number of citations that make sure every claim is covered by reliable sources. DenverCoder19 ( talk) 22:52, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
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Adani Cement was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 22 June 2021 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Adani Group. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here. |
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The following Wikipedia contributor may be personally or professionally connected to the subject of this article. Relevant policies and guidelines may include
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The contents of the Adani Foundation page were merged into Adani Group on 21 November 2017. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page. |
This article has been
mentioned by a media organization:
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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 13:24, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Draft contains more information about division Robert McClenon ( talk) 23:43, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
Dear Prolix, I just removed multiple links from the main article namespace which were directly pointed towards entity's own website(s). can I have your opinion on this? - Hatchens ( talk) 11:49, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
I may partly agree and partly disagree with fellow reviewers User:Hatchens and User:Curb Safe Charmer. I don't think that establishing separate corporate notability for any Adani subsidiaries should be based on identifying the best three references. The Rule of Three is meant to deal with reference-bombing to try to establish notability of run-of-the-mill corporations. We already know that Adani is notable, and there already is an article. The question is whether to split the article. Wikipedia has been inconsistent about when to list multiple divisions of parent corporations or parent conglomerates. The question that must be asked before we can even discuss any splitting is one that there has been a hand wave about in the past. That is what the affiliation of the editors who are proposing splitting the article is with any of the Adani units. Editors who have any conflict of interest should, in my opinion, simply be ignored with regard to splitting out multiple divisions. That call should be made only by established neutral editors. I say that we only need one article. If other reviewers are of the opinion that we should have multiple articles, I will accept the judgment of a rough consensus of neutral editors.
We agree that Adani is notable, and there is an article. The decision as to whether there should be multiple articles can be made only by neutral editors. Robert McClenon ( talk) 19:13, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
1.News reference as per
WP:RS -
[4],
2.The independent analyst reports as per
WP:LISTED-
[5],
3.Significant coverage as per
WP:SIGCOV in a book -
[6].
Many such references are there that's why I am suggesting a split.
Pillechan
(പിള്ളേച്ചനോട് പറ) 05:06, 21 July 2021 (UTC) (
sock strike —
DaxServer (
t ·
m ·
c) 15:44, 28 February 2023 (UTC))
I suggest to add the registration date and under registered act or law 202.179.92.246 ( talk) 05:25, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
I have removed everything from the "Awards and recognition" section and some fluff content from "Philanthropy" section per WP:NOTADVERT. Non-notable and/or non-independent awards should not be included as per our content and quality standards. The Brand Trust Report award, All India Maritime and Logistics Awards, Economic Times awards, GTM Research award, Reader's Digest Trusted Brand Award, ACEF ASIAN LEADERSHIP AWARDS, CSR awards are not just poorly sourced, but are also non-notable awards. Content removed from "Philanthropy" section is just poorly sourced. — hako9 ( talk) 16:42, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
An invitation to User:Saintstephen000 to explain what content I have whitewashed. 49.37.243.97 ( talk) 05:39, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
on routine vandal patrol, we noticed an ip editor removing cited and relevant content from a contentious article. upon double checking, we noticed a pattern that suggested a series of biased editing, a removal of cited controversial content. we reverted, naturally, and the ip editor feigned ignorance and persisted with the deletion campaign. we of course could be wrong, thanks for bringing it to our attention.
Saintstephen000 ( talk) 05:53, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
thanks again for your patience, I'm just reading all about the controversies where an ip editor removed citations, in between market cap edits and before other changing of cited content. this is a very interesting article, and we believe it might justify having non biased rewrite when time allows, thanks again for helping us create an awesome encyclopedia Saintstephen000 ( talk) 06:16, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
thanks again for taking the time to look at these "removal of sourced content" edits. we always appreciate when an uninvolved editor such as perhaps yourself takes the time to explain Wikipedia minutae join the interests of building a better encyclopedia. surely, you can see where the sourced content was removed by the ip editor, along with prose that might be seen as unflattering to some involved with the controversy?
well, anyway, good times to you, Saintstephen000 ( talk) 06:43, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
I think there ought to be a section explaining what it is. The company website says that the Adani Group is a diversified organisation in India comprising 7 publicly traded companies.
[7]--
Toddy1
(talk) 18:19, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
I think the bulk of the 2021-2022 fraud material (see also https://republicaninformer.com/huge-company-loses-100-billion-after-enron-type-scandal-unfolds/) should be moved to the history section, which currently does not even touch it. Kdammers ( talk) 02:09, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
Sections or article titles should generally not include the word "controversies".
best practice is to incorporate positive and negative material into the same section.See WP:CSECTION.-- Toddy1 (talk) 06:56, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
This Page is getting edited constantly and getting vandalised too. This Page is about a company who has been involved in controversies and both sides have been editing this wikipedia page to include questionable things. On the 23rd of February, This page was edited to show the Name of the Group as "Adani Fraud Group". Reverting this took 30 minutes. Vandalism of this page can occur again, and do protect it, this page should be, at least, semi protected. Several such edits have happened in the past 48 hours alone. SunnyandBunny 21 ( talk) 13:20, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
The section is a kind of meta commentary per WP:SUBJECT. More importantly, asserting, In its article on Signpost, Wikipedia said..., is incorrect. Articles/reports on the Signpost are just volunteer contributions; neither ratified by any other editors nor by the foundation. Willing to consider retaining the section if there are instances of UPE/COI edits made by a person/organization, being mentioned on their own wiki page, but I don't think we do. We usually do it through {{ Press}} on the talk page. — hako9 ( talk) 00:44, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
it is alleged in reliable Indian news sources that the Adani Group has been manipulating articles on Wikipediathat allegation comes from Signpost; not independently by those sources. This is akin to circular reporting. — hako9 ( talk) 15:07, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
The Signpost is produced by volunteers, and is independent of the Wikimedia Foundation and other Wikimedia organizations.There have been other insightful and well-researched reports by the Signpost team earlier, like [8] and [9], which may have received media coverage. Have there been instances where we included those in the articles of those mentioned? Genuinely asking btw. — hako9 ( talk) 03:13, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi
Toddy1,
Regarding the part:
Adani Group has
naming rights on Hegvold Stadium (now known as Adani Arena) in
Rockhampton and the
pavilion end of the
Narendra Modi Stadium in Ahmedabad.
I don't see any value/information addition in this part.
I have removed your edit, let's come to talkpage consensus rather than edit warring. I can loop in any other editors if you feel like.
Thanks,
Strandofhair (
talk) 12:36, 26 February 2023 (UTC) See:
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Padmalakshmisx/Archive#28 February 2023
Per WP:NPOV, I agree with Iskandar323, if this company has been involved in such showboating and close connections with the present ruling government of India, [11] it should be included. As explained above, One of the stadium is actually named after Modi. If we don't include even the dubious acts, this is not what Wikipedia is for. We already have reliable sources to back this up, these are from independent publications and nothing seems to be "irrelevant" or something out of context related to the article. This content removal is similar to the previous discussion we had here. ✠ Rejoy2003 ✠ (contact) 12:08, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
MOS:SEAOFBLUE says: When possible, avoid placing links next to each other so that they look like a single link (a "sea of blue")
. To my way of thinking: "
Stock manipulation,
accounting irregularities,
cronyism,
tax evasion,
Environmental damage, and
sueing journalists" looks like a "sea of blue". It is also wrongly capitalised, and misspells "suing".--
Toddy1
(talk) 19:35, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Remove violating Wiki guidelines external links - see WP:ELNO 103.241.226.128 ( talk) 11:44, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
Due to recent edit warring, this page has been protected for a week. Please use this time to discuss what is appropriate for the page. If you come to an agreement prior to the expiration of the protection, feel free to request unprotection at WP:RFPU, where for the avoidance of doubt any uninvolved admin is authorised to remove protection without reference to me. You can use the template {{ editprotected}} if there are urgent agreed edits needing to be made whilst the article is protected, but this is not for use in the event I have protected m:The Wrong Version of the page. Stifle ( talk) 08:57, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
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Help required in removing the following text from lede;
"According to Business Today report In the financial year 2022-2023, the Adani Group reported income of Rs. 1,38,175 crore and EBIDTA of Rs. 10,025 crore. The net worth of its assets, including non-controlling interest, was Rs. 37,890 crore. From the ten listed companies of the Group are Adani Enterprises Limited, Adani Ports and Special Economic Zone Limited, Adani Power Limited, Adani Green Energy Limited, Adani Energy Solutions Limited, Adani Wilmar Limited, Adani Total Gas Limited, Ambuja Cements Limited, ACC Limited and NDTV."
These earnings reports are deemed superfluous. If anyone wishes to incorporate them, they may request an infobox update backed by reliable Wikipedia sources. Charlie ( talk) 03:43, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
This article has been revised as part of a large-scale clean-up project of multiple article copyright infringement. (See the investigation subpage) Earlier text must not be restored, unless it can be verified to be free of infringement. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions must be deleted. Contributors may use sources as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously. ARandomName123 ( talk)Ping me! 03:15, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
A user correctly marked the section on cronyism and malfeasance as "excessive citations". However, this section has been a target for a number of newly minted and IP-based accounts attempting to remove it. Since it's 'contentious', or at least many IP-address editors have question its various claims, it seems like a good idea to keep a number of citations that make sure every claim is covered by reliable sources. DenverCoder19 ( talk) 22:52, 12 March 2024 (UTC)