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Doesn't quite sound like a proper logical paradox. Evercat 22:07 May 9, 2003 (UTC)
I agree, but it was on the "paradox" page, so I figured I should at least make a stub for it. user:J.J.
Preferential voting isn't an example at all, right? If the actor has complete knowledge, the Abilene paradox doesn't occur. With perferential voting, we are just seeing an aspect of Arrow's paradox, right? Paullusmagnus
The paradox is sometimes also used as a criticism of the strategic voting. For example, say a person wants to vote for Candidate C, yet realistically realizes that Candidate C will never beat the much more popular Candidates A and B. The person thus votes for Candidate A, a less desirable choice, but the best alternative to Candidate C. The voter has thus committed the Abilene Paradox by performing an action that contradicts his or her preference.
Unless I am confused, I think this should say The person thus votes for Candidate A, a less desirable choice, but the best alternative to Candidate B
Because the person wanted candidate C but preferred A over B so he voted for A, right? Suppafly 04:04, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
The first reference shown (complete list reproduced below) is in error. The title of the article as shown is the same as Harvey's 1988 book, but in fact it should be "The Abilene Paradox: The Management of Agreement." However, when I edit the page to correct the reference, the first reference doesn't appear! So I'm stymied.
Here is how the references appear now:
^ Harvey, Jerry B. (Summer 1974). "The Abilene Paradox and other Meditations on Management". Organizational Dynamics 3 (1). Harvey, Jerry B. (1988). The Abilene Paradox and Other Meditations on Management. Lexington, Mass: Lexington Books. Harvey, Jerry B. (1999). How Come Every Time I Get Stabbed In The Back, My Fingerprints Are on The Knife?. San Francisco: Jossey-Bass. Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abilene_paradox"
"Researchers in this field have proposed various means by which groups can avoid such dysfunctional behavior. None have proven more effective than the inclusion of people with diverse backgrounds in the decision-making process. Groups so comprised tend to be more effective in avoiding the Abilene Paradox and tend to be able to make much better decisions overall."
Sounds nice. Supports the intuition that diverse backgrounds can be helpful. Any evidence? Where? If it's mentioned in the references linked for the article as a whole, shouldn't we hunt down the primary sources and cite them directly? - Dmh 18:04, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Coherent Extrapolated Volition —Preceding unsigned comment added by BenRayfield ( talk • contribs) 05:19, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 03:42, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm not an expert here, but I'm finding some sources. I'd say it's beyond neologism, even though the referrals I've seen to it hark back directly to Harvey's story, rather than using it as known shorthand.
That's just a few of the references I found, and I was only looking for academic-style reference, not in newspapers or business magazines. I'm not ready to integrate these refs into the article myself, but I'm convinced it's not (anymore) a neologism. Cretog8 ( talk) 01:06, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
It's actually useful for explaining certain concepts about consensus. :-) -- Kim Bruning ( talk) 15:52, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
I've heard about and used the Abilene Paradox for two decades in the context of how groups of people can make poor decisions and the pitfalls of "white lies." I wish I had some time to research and contribute more to this entry, but I just don't at the moment. I hope this is not deleted. -- Condorman ( talk) 05:52, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm not involved in the orginal article at all, but i'm having to read some stuff about this 'paradox' for another project, so give me a month or so and i'll ad some references to this article to other people's use of the phrase, its supposed difference from groupthink and so on [jon m 9 Sept 2008].
I just thought I would mention that I, for one, stumbled across this page and found it really interesting. I hope that the notability warning at the top of the page doesn't mean it's going to be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.144.113.177 ( talk) 05:34, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
You'd have to look pretty far to find a social psychologist who wasn't familiar with this phenomenon. All the refs here are by Harvey, which might make it look like a vanity article, but that's not the case (at least, as far as I know). A few direct refs by others:
McAvoy, J., & Butler, T. (2007). The impact of the abilene paradox on double-loop learning in an agile team. Information and Software Technology, 49(6), 552-563. Donnelly, G. F. (2005). Avoiding the abilene paradox in holistic nursing practice. Holistic Nursing Practice., 19(5), 193. Stephan, S. (2001). Decision-making in incident control teams. Journal of Occupational Health and Safety - Australia and New Zealand, 17(2), 135-145.
The article definitely needs cleanup, but an AFD on this would be just that side of silly. -- Sneftel ( talk) 20:10, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
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Doesn't quite sound like a proper logical paradox. Evercat 22:07 May 9, 2003 (UTC)
I agree, but it was on the "paradox" page, so I figured I should at least make a stub for it. user:J.J.
Preferential voting isn't an example at all, right? If the actor has complete knowledge, the Abilene paradox doesn't occur. With perferential voting, we are just seeing an aspect of Arrow's paradox, right? Paullusmagnus
The paradox is sometimes also used as a criticism of the strategic voting. For example, say a person wants to vote for Candidate C, yet realistically realizes that Candidate C will never beat the much more popular Candidates A and B. The person thus votes for Candidate A, a less desirable choice, but the best alternative to Candidate C. The voter has thus committed the Abilene Paradox by performing an action that contradicts his or her preference.
Unless I am confused, I think this should say The person thus votes for Candidate A, a less desirable choice, but the best alternative to Candidate B
Because the person wanted candidate C but preferred A over B so he voted for A, right? Suppafly 04:04, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
The first reference shown (complete list reproduced below) is in error. The title of the article as shown is the same as Harvey's 1988 book, but in fact it should be "The Abilene Paradox: The Management of Agreement." However, when I edit the page to correct the reference, the first reference doesn't appear! So I'm stymied.
Here is how the references appear now:
^ Harvey, Jerry B. (Summer 1974). "The Abilene Paradox and other Meditations on Management". Organizational Dynamics 3 (1). Harvey, Jerry B. (1988). The Abilene Paradox and Other Meditations on Management. Lexington, Mass: Lexington Books. Harvey, Jerry B. (1999). How Come Every Time I Get Stabbed In The Back, My Fingerprints Are on The Knife?. San Francisco: Jossey-Bass. Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abilene_paradox"
"Researchers in this field have proposed various means by which groups can avoid such dysfunctional behavior. None have proven more effective than the inclusion of people with diverse backgrounds in the decision-making process. Groups so comprised tend to be more effective in avoiding the Abilene Paradox and tend to be able to make much better decisions overall."
Sounds nice. Supports the intuition that diverse backgrounds can be helpful. Any evidence? Where? If it's mentioned in the references linked for the article as a whole, shouldn't we hunt down the primary sources and cite them directly? - Dmh 18:04, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Coherent Extrapolated Volition —Preceding unsigned comment added by BenRayfield ( talk • contribs) 05:19, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 03:42, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm not an expert here, but I'm finding some sources. I'd say it's beyond neologism, even though the referrals I've seen to it hark back directly to Harvey's story, rather than using it as known shorthand.
That's just a few of the references I found, and I was only looking for academic-style reference, not in newspapers or business magazines. I'm not ready to integrate these refs into the article myself, but I'm convinced it's not (anymore) a neologism. Cretog8 ( talk) 01:06, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
It's actually useful for explaining certain concepts about consensus. :-) -- Kim Bruning ( talk) 15:52, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
I've heard about and used the Abilene Paradox for two decades in the context of how groups of people can make poor decisions and the pitfalls of "white lies." I wish I had some time to research and contribute more to this entry, but I just don't at the moment. I hope this is not deleted. -- Condorman ( talk) 05:52, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm not involved in the orginal article at all, but i'm having to read some stuff about this 'paradox' for another project, so give me a month or so and i'll ad some references to this article to other people's use of the phrase, its supposed difference from groupthink and so on [jon m 9 Sept 2008].
I just thought I would mention that I, for one, stumbled across this page and found it really interesting. I hope that the notability warning at the top of the page doesn't mean it's going to be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.144.113.177 ( talk) 05:34, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
You'd have to look pretty far to find a social psychologist who wasn't familiar with this phenomenon. All the refs here are by Harvey, which might make it look like a vanity article, but that's not the case (at least, as far as I know). A few direct refs by others:
McAvoy, J., & Butler, T. (2007). The impact of the abilene paradox on double-loop learning in an agile team. Information and Software Technology, 49(6), 552-563. Donnelly, G. F. (2005). Avoiding the abilene paradox in holistic nursing practice. Holistic Nursing Practice., 19(5), 193. Stephan, S. (2001). Decision-making in incident control teams. Journal of Occupational Health and Safety - Australia and New Zealand, 17(2), 135-145.
The article definitely needs cleanup, but an AFD on this would be just that side of silly. -- Sneftel ( talk) 20:10, 20 October 2008 (UTC)