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"Keep Off" is a phrasal verb, so I'd keep it capitalized, same with the up in "Pick [Me] Up", but I parse the rest as prepositions
Edit: ...Off the Bone is a weird case (and album); I don't know how to parse it. The ellipsis seems to replace "Fall", so "Off" would be part of a phrasal verb as well. I also don't know how wiki style handles the ellipsis; I personally treat them as replacing the first word, but I would assume wiki doesn't?
TlonicChronic (
talk) 23:09, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
For ...Off the Bone, there has been agreement to treat ellipsis in a title as if additional words are present. This is mentioned in
Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Titles of works. But guessing which words they are to determine whether "Off" is a preposition or not seems tricky. Maybe we should leave that one alone. —
BarrelProof (
talk) 00:29, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
"On/Off (the) Record" I think is a phrasal adjective, same with "Off the Map" in context ("A Bit" modifies the phrase and doesn't stand in relation to "map") [Edit: and "Off the Bed"]. "Keep [Your Eyes] Off", "Keep [Us] Off", "Living Off", and "Get [My Love] Off" are phrasal verbs.
TlonicChronic (
talk) 02:43, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
But in the title it functions as an adjective. "Dancing on My Own" is really strange to my eye; I don't think anyone (APA, Blue Book, NYT or Chicago) would do that.
TlonicChronic (
talk) 03:08, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Surprise! You mentioned NYT, and
here they do it. Also like that in Billboard and
NPR (look in the body, not the headline for that one) and various lesser publications. —
BarrelProof (
talk) 03:54, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
IMO this makes "Always" parse as a noun, which is awkward to me, but ditto to the above, and at least NYT consistently does it your way
TlonicChronic (
talk) 12:34, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
"Just Off" I'm struggling with. I think it's a compound preposition(?) which MoS would suggest capitalizing the first word only
TlonicChronic (
talk) 02:51, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support per nom and BarrelProof.
Dicklyon (
talk) 05:24, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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"Keep Off" is a phrasal verb, so I'd keep it capitalized, same with the up in "Pick [Me] Up", but I parse the rest as prepositions
Edit: ...Off the Bone is a weird case (and album); I don't know how to parse it. The ellipsis seems to replace "Fall", so "Off" would be part of a phrasal verb as well. I also don't know how wiki style handles the ellipsis; I personally treat them as replacing the first word, but I would assume wiki doesn't?
TlonicChronic (
talk) 23:09, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
For ...Off the Bone, there has been agreement to treat ellipsis in a title as if additional words are present. This is mentioned in
Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Titles of works. But guessing which words they are to determine whether "Off" is a preposition or not seems tricky. Maybe we should leave that one alone. —
BarrelProof (
talk) 00:29, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
"On/Off (the) Record" I think is a phrasal adjective, same with "Off the Map" in context ("A Bit" modifies the phrase and doesn't stand in relation to "map") [Edit: and "Off the Bed"]. "Keep [Your Eyes] Off", "Keep [Us] Off", "Living Off", and "Get [My Love] Off" are phrasal verbs.
TlonicChronic (
talk) 02:43, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
But in the title it functions as an adjective. "Dancing on My Own" is really strange to my eye; I don't think anyone (APA, Blue Book, NYT or Chicago) would do that.
TlonicChronic (
talk) 03:08, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Surprise! You mentioned NYT, and
here they do it. Also like that in Billboard and
NPR (look in the body, not the headline for that one) and various lesser publications. —
BarrelProof (
talk) 03:54, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
IMO this makes "Always" parse as a noun, which is awkward to me, but ditto to the above, and at least NYT consistently does it your way
TlonicChronic (
talk) 12:34, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
"Just Off" I'm struggling with. I think it's a compound preposition(?) which MoS would suggest capitalizing the first word only
TlonicChronic (
talk) 02:51, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support per nom and BarrelProof.
Dicklyon (
talk) 05:24, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.