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Please stop adding the "introduction" section. That is what the introparagraph is for. To introduce the topic. Páll 7 July 2005 11:39 (UTC)
Many sections were repeated, maybe someone should clean up the layout? -- Lemontea 7 July 2005 11:46 (UTC)
This page can't stay locked, but I suppose we can lock it every time it gets duped, fix it, then unlock... Evercat 7 July 2005 11:47 (UTC)
Who's fixing it now?
Rich Farmbrough 7 July 2005 11:57 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=2005_London_transport_explosions&diff=18322817&oldid=18322740
Why was this removed? -- Tom Edwards 7 July 2005 12:00 (UTC)
The comment on the statement "this wouldn't have happened if we'd have had id cards" is pretty crass. Also are the statements from the opposition and lib dems going to be added?
-True, but nevertheless an exceedingly good point.
The hotline numbers quoted on Wikipedia and Wikinews are different
are they both correct?
Wasn't that Manmohan Singh there? I never saw anything saying India was going to come. I saw some other people too that didn't seem like they should be there. Interesting... Jimbobsween
Somebody want to start a discussion subpage on article structure? , sections, etc SimonLyall 7 July 2005 12:20 (UTC)
do we want those here? the number of links will become extremely large and are often only useful for a smaller group of people, this is the english wiki. if people want to post such links post it on their countries wikis. Boneyard 7 July 2005 12:24 (UTC)
Partial translation of a terrorist statement received from someone on IRC:
From al-Qaeda in Europe Organisation
Rejoice oh Islamic Community, rejoice oh Arab community as the time of revenge upon the Crusader, Zionist British government has come.
In response to the butchery that the British perpetrated in Iraq and Afghanistan the heroic Mujahideen have carried out a blessed attack in London and it is now Britain that is burning with fear, terror and panic, from North to South and East to West.
And we had warned the British government and the British population repeatedly.
And we held our promise and we carried out a blessed military attack in Britain following arduous efforts from the heroic Mujahideen, who persisted for a long period to guarantee the success of the attack.
And we continue to warn the governments of Denmark, and Italy and all of the Crusader governments that they will suffer the same punishment if they do not withdraw their forces from Iraq and Afghanistan and he who warns is excused.
- FrancisTyers 7 July 2005 12:43 (UTC)
It has been confirmed that this is the site where the text can be found: https://www.qal3ati.com/ -- Michiel Sikma 7 July 2005 12:45 (UTC)
The top of the page is much better aesthetically now. Thanks to whoever worked that out. Evercat 7 July 2005 12:30 (UTC)
Anyone who can post the site with the statement of the terrorists? Spiegel has posted a screenshot so far...
It was above, but I'll repost it for clarity https://www.qal3ati.com/, you might want to check the [ http://web.archive.org/web/20040715152647/www.qal3ati.com/vb/ version archived on archive.org as well. I've taken several souvenir shots of the login page. I think about a hundred people are hitting there each second. -- Natalinasmpf 7 July 2005 13:15 (UTC)
fix the double redirects when moving this around, you are breaking the link from the Main page! dab (ᛏ) 7 July 2005 12:49 (UTC)
Why was this moved from 7 July 2005 London bombing to 2005 London bombing? The former is the format used by similar articles; we don't know that there wont be abother bombing this year. Andy Mabbett
Shouldn't it be "bombings" rather than "bombing"? Ben Arnold 7 July 2005 12:55 (UTC)
I am so sorry to hear about this terrible and barbaric act of terrorism. My thoughts are with the British people. -- mav 7 July 2005 13:11 (UTC)
Thanks for that. Mine too. My thoughts with those who have suffered in this nightmare -- Grace Note
My thoughts are also with the many victims of this terrible crime. I hope that the British people will know how to deal with those rotten islamist-fascist terrorists. -- Andrei Einar
Who the hell just protected the page? People are trying to update! -- Nidonocu 7 July 2005 13:17 (UTC)
Was going to edit it but page got protected. Please fix. Alex.tan July 7, 2005 13:18 (UTC)
Sorry all, but when it's duped I think the fastest way to fix it is to revert and get everyone to add all their edits again. Please try not to edit the page while it's in a borked state. Evercat 7 July 2005 13:20 (UTC)
Given the info about NY subway, etc. does anyone have any info about the glasgow one? -- ElvisFromUncyc 7 July 2005 13:37 (UTC)
{{cleanup}}
Bah. It's as clean as it's likely to be for a while...
Any objections to me moving the hotline numbers down to the contacts section? Evercat 7 July 2005 13:52 (UTC)
DUE TO TECHNICAL PROBLEMS, THIS PAGE IS OCCASIONALLY HAVING SECTIONS DUPLICATED. IN THIS CASE, IT MAY BE TEMPORARILY PROTECTED AND REVERTED TO THE LAST SANE VERSION. BEWARE.
I have added Talk:2005 London bombing/MissingInfo for people to list bits that have been lost in the course of ongoing edits so they can be added back later if required. SimonLyall 7 July 2005 12:29 (UTC)
Witness repots on RTE Radio 1 include a woman who seen a Woman on an UNderground train get decapitated, and a Traffic Warden who had a lump of flesh land on him, by the bus. -- Irishpunktom\ talk July 7, 2005 14:02 (UTC)
Leaving all things aside, I need to say this is shocking, just shocking. Also, I and my family feel eerily de-sensitised to the idea of a terrorist-like act. Harro5 July 7, 2005 09:59 (UTC)
If you're having issues accessing BBC website, try visiting http://newswww1.thny.bbc.co.uk/ Adders 7 July 2005 10:47 (UTC)
Fox news reported at 3AM here (GMT-8) that 90 casualties have been reported. - Serialized
could we please not fall for exageration? The city of london is NOT being evacuated. corrected the text Adidas 7 July 2005 10:03 (UTC)
is this helpful??
I'm safe. Its chaos over here and I'm sh***ing myself. The bombs are
really close, oxford street has been closed down and there are still bombs planted everywhere waiting to go off. If ed and di can get out of the central london bit, tell them to just stay away and away from any form of transport. The hospital is chaos and we have been put on high alert. Its nuts, but we are safe, apart from the fact I have just s**t myself, and I serioulsy mean it. We aren't going to be able to get home tongith because we've been told there are bombs everywhere. I'm scared, but I'm sure it will all be okay.
Source unknown...
It seems that the blasts happened inside the tunnels of the Metropolitan Line (between the stations of Liverpool Street and Aldgate East). This would create a fireball that would spread through stations. -- Pinnecco 7 July 2005 10:04 (UTC)
There's certainly no evidence of a "fireball", I don't think the explosions were large enough to cause that sort of thing. There's been reports from eye witnesses on BBC News of explosions in the carridge next to theirs and large quantities of smoke which cleared in about 10 minutes. When walking down the tracks the eye witnesses reported seeing heavy damage to the train with the metal all bent outwards, but thankfully no fire. Same story with the bus (which we can probably assume was the same explosive). That could've been a lot worse, think of the bus bombings in Israel.
According to Israeli radio, a man arrived at the Scotland Yard this morning and gave a detailed description of the attacks planned. The alert was forwarded to embassies, and the Israeli one was locked down prior to the explosions.
Anyone finds one, please add it. Rich Farmbrough 7 July 2005 10:04 (UTC)
The London Stock Exchange in London have not been evacuated (at least, so far). I work there and all my colleagues are there. -- Pinnecco 7 July 2005 10:06 (UTC)
BBC Radio 4, Radio 5 live and BBC News 24 are giving almost continuous coverage. -- KharBevNor 7 July 2005 10:10 (UTC)
Sorry. Just had to say that. -- Kizor 7 July 2005 10:12 (UTC)
is the pix of the person stuck underground real? the source indicates it might be fake. not funny if it is Adidas 7 July 2005 10:16 (UTC)
Any confimation of this? Rich Farmbrough 7 July 2005 10:14 (UTC)
spain info seems fake Adidas 7 July 2005 10:15 (UTC)
I removed the Spain comment as it was stated, because that information is unconfirmed. User:Serialized
It all seems a bit too neat, y'know? Tuesday: Paris loses the olympic bid, London win. Paris are understandably angry. Prime Minister is in Scotland. Wednesday: London transport network struck with explosions. Entire city is in disarray.
Coincidence? -- Psyk0 7 July 2005 10:18 (UTC)
Are you saying you think France orchestrated the bombings?!?!
Please stop blaming France of all (They're eaven guilty creating Godzilla) THERE'S NO WAY THAT FACT CAN BE RELATED TO OLYMPIC COMITEE DESITION... You canot plan a terrorist attack so perfect in less than 24 hours Qsebas 7 July 2005 13:08 (UTC)
Can someone make notes of relevant comments and add them to the article please? - Ta bu shi da yu 7 July 2005 10:18 (UTC)
Please hold off on this comment. It might be, but we just don't know for sure as yet. - Ta bu shi da yu 7 July 2005 10:19 (UTC)
Channel Seven News, Australia. Making out speculation as fact. - Ta bu shi da yu 7 July 2005 10:23 (UTC)
Would a timeline be useful? Rich Farmbrough 7 July 2005 10:24 (UTC)
Why no pictures, Pigsonthewing? --
Merovingian
(t)
(c) July 7, 2005 10:25 (UTC)
Where did the 20 fatalities figure come from? Glad it's only 2! Rich Farmbrough 7 July 2005 10:25 (UTC)
I'm sure I speak for all Wikipedians - but keep safe, UK and London Wikipedians. You're in our thoughts today. Fuzheado | Talk 7 July 2005 10:26 (UTC)
Does somebody want to either provide a source for, or remove the stock prices link?
From BBC ( Henrygb 7 July 2005 10:39 (UTC)):
THE MARKETS 11:36 UK FTSE 100 5063.0 -166.60 Dax 4477.2 -138.32 Cac 40 4135.1 -144.90 Dow Jones 10270.7 -101.12 Nasdaq 2068.7 -10.10 S&P 500 1194.9 -10.05 BBCGlobal30 5334.5 -11.80
At what point will we know how long the tube closure is going to last? I'm meant to be travelling to Colchester on Saturday, and my route includes a tube change. What's the likelihood that I'm going to have to replan my route? -- Smjg 7 July 2005 10:30 (UTC)
I'm not sure getting you to Colchester's a priority for the London Underground. Try calling National Rail Enquiries this evening once more is knows; they may be able to supply you with a route around London. Proto t c 7 July 2005 10:42 (UTC)
Depends. I assume they'll resume services as soon as they can - the show must go on and everything - but the damaged subway trains are not only out of the people, but must have caused a great deal of debris and likely damage to the rails and the like. As nobody wants a tube accident right after that they should be really really careful about checking that. This is just off the top of my head. -- Kizor 7 July 2005 10:44 (UTC)
According to BBC it's Aldgate East station, not Aldgat. That makes "all other stations" to be on the Hammersmith and City line, not the Circle Line. -- user:miguel
BBC Radio 4 just reported six busloads of wounded being taken into the hospital under police escort. That's way more than 90 if they were anywhere near full. -- KharBevNor 7 July 2005 10:31 (UTC)
Everything on the page is saying 6, although it also shows 6 underground and 3 on buses. -- Apsmif101 -- 00:56 - 19 May, 2024
6 Underground (confirmed), 1 Bus (confirmed) --
User:markit
Just heard on TV that the Home Secretary is saying at least 6 explosions.
TomH 7 July 2005 12:35 (UTC) 7 July 2005 12:30 UTC
The edit conflict is shredding this puppy. Please be patient people! -- KharBevNor 7 July 2005 10:34 (UTC)
Yes, the BBC did report that they had heard from Arab sources that this could be the work of Al Qaeda - though they're arguably jumping the gun a bit. Evercat 7 July 2005 10:38 (UTC)
Maybe people should go and help updating wikinews, rather than wikipedia ... Proto t c 7 July 2005 10:40 (UTC)
Why shouldn't this article be given live status instead of current? DarthVader 7 July 2005 11:42 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 |
Please stop adding the "introduction" section. That is what the introparagraph is for. To introduce the topic. Páll 7 July 2005 11:39 (UTC)
Many sections were repeated, maybe someone should clean up the layout? -- Lemontea 7 July 2005 11:46 (UTC)
This page can't stay locked, but I suppose we can lock it every time it gets duped, fix it, then unlock... Evercat 7 July 2005 11:47 (UTC)
Who's fixing it now?
Rich Farmbrough 7 July 2005 11:57 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=2005_London_transport_explosions&diff=18322817&oldid=18322740
Why was this removed? -- Tom Edwards 7 July 2005 12:00 (UTC)
The comment on the statement "this wouldn't have happened if we'd have had id cards" is pretty crass. Also are the statements from the opposition and lib dems going to be added?
-True, but nevertheless an exceedingly good point.
The hotline numbers quoted on Wikipedia and Wikinews are different
are they both correct?
Wasn't that Manmohan Singh there? I never saw anything saying India was going to come. I saw some other people too that didn't seem like they should be there. Interesting... Jimbobsween
Somebody want to start a discussion subpage on article structure? , sections, etc SimonLyall 7 July 2005 12:20 (UTC)
do we want those here? the number of links will become extremely large and are often only useful for a smaller group of people, this is the english wiki. if people want to post such links post it on their countries wikis. Boneyard 7 July 2005 12:24 (UTC)
Partial translation of a terrorist statement received from someone on IRC:
From al-Qaeda in Europe Organisation
Rejoice oh Islamic Community, rejoice oh Arab community as the time of revenge upon the Crusader, Zionist British government has come.
In response to the butchery that the British perpetrated in Iraq and Afghanistan the heroic Mujahideen have carried out a blessed attack in London and it is now Britain that is burning with fear, terror and panic, from North to South and East to West.
And we had warned the British government and the British population repeatedly.
And we held our promise and we carried out a blessed military attack in Britain following arduous efforts from the heroic Mujahideen, who persisted for a long period to guarantee the success of the attack.
And we continue to warn the governments of Denmark, and Italy and all of the Crusader governments that they will suffer the same punishment if they do not withdraw their forces from Iraq and Afghanistan and he who warns is excused.
- FrancisTyers 7 July 2005 12:43 (UTC)
It has been confirmed that this is the site where the text can be found: https://www.qal3ati.com/ -- Michiel Sikma 7 July 2005 12:45 (UTC)
The top of the page is much better aesthetically now. Thanks to whoever worked that out. Evercat 7 July 2005 12:30 (UTC)
Anyone who can post the site with the statement of the terrorists? Spiegel has posted a screenshot so far...
It was above, but I'll repost it for clarity https://www.qal3ati.com/, you might want to check the [ http://web.archive.org/web/20040715152647/www.qal3ati.com/vb/ version archived on archive.org as well. I've taken several souvenir shots of the login page. I think about a hundred people are hitting there each second. -- Natalinasmpf 7 July 2005 13:15 (UTC)
fix the double redirects when moving this around, you are breaking the link from the Main page! dab (ᛏ) 7 July 2005 12:49 (UTC)
Why was this moved from 7 July 2005 London bombing to 2005 London bombing? The former is the format used by similar articles; we don't know that there wont be abother bombing this year. Andy Mabbett
Shouldn't it be "bombings" rather than "bombing"? Ben Arnold 7 July 2005 12:55 (UTC)
I am so sorry to hear about this terrible and barbaric act of terrorism. My thoughts are with the British people. -- mav 7 July 2005 13:11 (UTC)
Thanks for that. Mine too. My thoughts with those who have suffered in this nightmare -- Grace Note
My thoughts are also with the many victims of this terrible crime. I hope that the British people will know how to deal with those rotten islamist-fascist terrorists. -- Andrei Einar
Who the hell just protected the page? People are trying to update! -- Nidonocu 7 July 2005 13:17 (UTC)
Was going to edit it but page got protected. Please fix. Alex.tan July 7, 2005 13:18 (UTC)
Sorry all, but when it's duped I think the fastest way to fix it is to revert and get everyone to add all their edits again. Please try not to edit the page while it's in a borked state. Evercat 7 July 2005 13:20 (UTC)
Given the info about NY subway, etc. does anyone have any info about the glasgow one? -- ElvisFromUncyc 7 July 2005 13:37 (UTC)
{{cleanup}}
Bah. It's as clean as it's likely to be for a while...
Any objections to me moving the hotline numbers down to the contacts section? Evercat 7 July 2005 13:52 (UTC)
DUE TO TECHNICAL PROBLEMS, THIS PAGE IS OCCASIONALLY HAVING SECTIONS DUPLICATED. IN THIS CASE, IT MAY BE TEMPORARILY PROTECTED AND REVERTED TO THE LAST SANE VERSION. BEWARE.
I have added Talk:2005 London bombing/MissingInfo for people to list bits that have been lost in the course of ongoing edits so they can be added back later if required. SimonLyall 7 July 2005 12:29 (UTC)
Witness repots on RTE Radio 1 include a woman who seen a Woman on an UNderground train get decapitated, and a Traffic Warden who had a lump of flesh land on him, by the bus. -- Irishpunktom\ talk July 7, 2005 14:02 (UTC)
Leaving all things aside, I need to say this is shocking, just shocking. Also, I and my family feel eerily de-sensitised to the idea of a terrorist-like act. Harro5 July 7, 2005 09:59 (UTC)
If you're having issues accessing BBC website, try visiting http://newswww1.thny.bbc.co.uk/ Adders 7 July 2005 10:47 (UTC)
Fox news reported at 3AM here (GMT-8) that 90 casualties have been reported. - Serialized
could we please not fall for exageration? The city of london is NOT being evacuated. corrected the text Adidas 7 July 2005 10:03 (UTC)
is this helpful??
I'm safe. Its chaos over here and I'm sh***ing myself. The bombs are
really close, oxford street has been closed down and there are still bombs planted everywhere waiting to go off. If ed and di can get out of the central london bit, tell them to just stay away and away from any form of transport. The hospital is chaos and we have been put on high alert. Its nuts, but we are safe, apart from the fact I have just s**t myself, and I serioulsy mean it. We aren't going to be able to get home tongith because we've been told there are bombs everywhere. I'm scared, but I'm sure it will all be okay.
Source unknown...
It seems that the blasts happened inside the tunnels of the Metropolitan Line (between the stations of Liverpool Street and Aldgate East). This would create a fireball that would spread through stations. -- Pinnecco 7 July 2005 10:04 (UTC)
There's certainly no evidence of a "fireball", I don't think the explosions were large enough to cause that sort of thing. There's been reports from eye witnesses on BBC News of explosions in the carridge next to theirs and large quantities of smoke which cleared in about 10 minutes. When walking down the tracks the eye witnesses reported seeing heavy damage to the train with the metal all bent outwards, but thankfully no fire. Same story with the bus (which we can probably assume was the same explosive). That could've been a lot worse, think of the bus bombings in Israel.
According to Israeli radio, a man arrived at the Scotland Yard this morning and gave a detailed description of the attacks planned. The alert was forwarded to embassies, and the Israeli one was locked down prior to the explosions.
Anyone finds one, please add it. Rich Farmbrough 7 July 2005 10:04 (UTC)
The London Stock Exchange in London have not been evacuated (at least, so far). I work there and all my colleagues are there. -- Pinnecco 7 July 2005 10:06 (UTC)
BBC Radio 4, Radio 5 live and BBC News 24 are giving almost continuous coverage. -- KharBevNor 7 July 2005 10:10 (UTC)
Sorry. Just had to say that. -- Kizor 7 July 2005 10:12 (UTC)
is the pix of the person stuck underground real? the source indicates it might be fake. not funny if it is Adidas 7 July 2005 10:16 (UTC)
Any confimation of this? Rich Farmbrough 7 July 2005 10:14 (UTC)
spain info seems fake Adidas 7 July 2005 10:15 (UTC)
I removed the Spain comment as it was stated, because that information is unconfirmed. User:Serialized
It all seems a bit too neat, y'know? Tuesday: Paris loses the olympic bid, London win. Paris are understandably angry. Prime Minister is in Scotland. Wednesday: London transport network struck with explosions. Entire city is in disarray.
Coincidence? -- Psyk0 7 July 2005 10:18 (UTC)
Are you saying you think France orchestrated the bombings?!?!
Please stop blaming France of all (They're eaven guilty creating Godzilla) THERE'S NO WAY THAT FACT CAN BE RELATED TO OLYMPIC COMITEE DESITION... You canot plan a terrorist attack so perfect in less than 24 hours Qsebas 7 July 2005 13:08 (UTC)
Can someone make notes of relevant comments and add them to the article please? - Ta bu shi da yu 7 July 2005 10:18 (UTC)
Please hold off on this comment. It might be, but we just don't know for sure as yet. - Ta bu shi da yu 7 July 2005 10:19 (UTC)
Channel Seven News, Australia. Making out speculation as fact. - Ta bu shi da yu 7 July 2005 10:23 (UTC)
Would a timeline be useful? Rich Farmbrough 7 July 2005 10:24 (UTC)
Why no pictures, Pigsonthewing? --
Merovingian
(t)
(c) July 7, 2005 10:25 (UTC)
Where did the 20 fatalities figure come from? Glad it's only 2! Rich Farmbrough 7 July 2005 10:25 (UTC)
I'm sure I speak for all Wikipedians - but keep safe, UK and London Wikipedians. You're in our thoughts today. Fuzheado | Talk 7 July 2005 10:26 (UTC)
Does somebody want to either provide a source for, or remove the stock prices link?
From BBC ( Henrygb 7 July 2005 10:39 (UTC)):
THE MARKETS 11:36 UK FTSE 100 5063.0 -166.60 Dax 4477.2 -138.32 Cac 40 4135.1 -144.90 Dow Jones 10270.7 -101.12 Nasdaq 2068.7 -10.10 S&P 500 1194.9 -10.05 BBCGlobal30 5334.5 -11.80
At what point will we know how long the tube closure is going to last? I'm meant to be travelling to Colchester on Saturday, and my route includes a tube change. What's the likelihood that I'm going to have to replan my route? -- Smjg 7 July 2005 10:30 (UTC)
I'm not sure getting you to Colchester's a priority for the London Underground. Try calling National Rail Enquiries this evening once more is knows; they may be able to supply you with a route around London. Proto t c 7 July 2005 10:42 (UTC)
Depends. I assume they'll resume services as soon as they can - the show must go on and everything - but the damaged subway trains are not only out of the people, but must have caused a great deal of debris and likely damage to the rails and the like. As nobody wants a tube accident right after that they should be really really careful about checking that. This is just off the top of my head. -- Kizor 7 July 2005 10:44 (UTC)
According to BBC it's Aldgate East station, not Aldgat. That makes "all other stations" to be on the Hammersmith and City line, not the Circle Line. -- user:miguel
BBC Radio 4 just reported six busloads of wounded being taken into the hospital under police escort. That's way more than 90 if they were anywhere near full. -- KharBevNor 7 July 2005 10:31 (UTC)
Everything on the page is saying 6, although it also shows 6 underground and 3 on buses. -- Apsmif101 -- 00:56 - 19 May, 2024
6 Underground (confirmed), 1 Bus (confirmed) --
User:markit
Just heard on TV that the Home Secretary is saying at least 6 explosions.
TomH 7 July 2005 12:35 (UTC) 7 July 2005 12:30 UTC
The edit conflict is shredding this puppy. Please be patient people! -- KharBevNor 7 July 2005 10:34 (UTC)
Yes, the BBC did report that they had heard from Arab sources that this could be the work of Al Qaeda - though they're arguably jumping the gun a bit. Evercat 7 July 2005 10:38 (UTC)
Maybe people should go and help updating wikinews, rather than wikipedia ... Proto t c 7 July 2005 10:40 (UTC)
Why shouldn't this article be given live status instead of current? DarthVader 7 July 2005 11:42 (UTC)