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I added fair amount of information which might be seen as suggesting that it does not work, but that was because that is the accepted scientific take on it (or rather that it is utterly unproven). I tried to keep the language unbiased and just report what I read elsewhere, and above all, to provide references and links. -- Fitzhugh 06:55, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
The inventor of 714-X, Gaston Naessens, NEVER claimed that 714-X was a "cure" for any disease or medical condition. The word "cure" has been attached by orthodox biologists, doctors, and scientists. If a person reads about the trial of Gaston Naessens and his research, this is made clear. The formula, 714-X is taken from his name: "G" is the 7th letter of the alphabet, "N" is the 14th letter of the alphabet, and "X" is the 24th letter of the alphabet and also the year of Naessen's birth (1924). Since Gaston never applied for a patent on his invention (which is based on advanced biology called "Orthobiology"), this was an ingenious way of attaching his name to his invention.
- "Orthodox biologists" in what sense? In that they actually know what they're talking about, as opposed to quack biologists? The guy named his "invention" based on his birthday. What on Earth makes that trustworthy? Just because he was prosecuted, because he was a martyr... therefore his "science" is theoretically sound? And let me inform you... there is no "advanced biology" known as "Orthobiology"!! The Greek rootword (ortho) might suggest that it's the "straight" or "correct" biology, much as Scientology hijacks Greek rootword "sceint"... but it's all nonsense! It's truly sad that anyone can be so deluded by this garbage. Try picking up a book once in awhile, and not a book by L Ron Hubbard. Fuzzform ( talk) 09:38, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
714-X is indeed NOT a cure. What it will do is offer an alternative way to stabilize or boost a human's immune system when it is sick. This may, in time, allow the immune system to become healthy enough to help fight off various infections and/or abnormal conditions.
If we continue to ban anything that is unorthodox or nontraditional, we might as well go back to the days when patients had no say about the medical treatments they would or would not accept and undergo. I am thankful every day that I do have the right to choose traditional Western medicine and treatments OR wholistic medicine, naturopathy, orthobiology, accupuncture, or any other alternative medicine. The fact that health insurance companies now recognize the benefits of some forms of alternative medicine says a lot. It took WAY too long, in my opinion, for patients to be allowed a choice. 714-X, too, will hopefully be recognized soon for what it really is: an alternative means to stabilize the immune system. RaeGirl 16:30, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
- I'm also thankful that I can legally drink plutonium if I so choose! But in any case, that's a really bad idea... just like gulping "714-X" or any other unknown mixture of toxic chemicals. Libertarian politics not withstanding, dangerous substances deserve to be banned. Would we really be better off if we allowed every business to sell potentially lethal concoctions? No. Fuzzform ( talk) 09:29, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
- And by the way, it's "holisitic medicine"... which refers to the use of solutions of toxic compounds that are diluted to the point that they are no longer (entirely) toxic. A one-million-fold serial dilution will contain maybe a molecule or two of the "medicinal" compound, which is in point of fact actually toxic in most all instances... Good Lord... do you really want to poison yourself? Please... don't poison yourself with that garbage. Fuzzform ( talk) 09:27, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
- The tone of the article is rather virulent and condescending. Since recent events suggest that some people react much more strongly to very small doses of a drug than others do, one should give the benefit of the doubt to those who claim that this therapy works for them. Apart from which nobody has yet satisfactorily explained the placebo effect. 76.69.149.208 ( talk) 19:48, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- It's "virulent", it's spreading... and It's "condescending", it relies too heavily on facts. Recent events suggest that quack medicine is effective, snake oil is good for you, radon is healthful, and if you eat enough dinosaur bones it's like a panacea. And the PLACEBO EFFECT!! Good God, what is that? Apparently it's totally unexplained by MODERN SCIENCE!!!!! I try to avoid personal attacks, but you "holism" and "alternative medicine" people are just plain moronic. I challenge anyone to a thorough debate on the relative merits of such nonsense "treatments". Fuzzform ( talk) 09:27, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
Anyone who wishes to argue that "714-X" is anything other than potentially dangerous snake-oil quackery... please put your arguments here, or on my talk page. Fuzzform ( talk) 09:02, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
Dear Fuzzform,
You talk about 714-X like you know so much about it. Despite what you read or heared about it, have you ever tried to do some research, to contact the inventor, to know more about all the history around this man and his product? Have you even done some research on all the success testimonies on Internet? Or do you write articles like this just because "the Industry" will say it no good?
Ask yourself a question ... If 714X is only camphor and water, which is no arm at all ... why is there such a battle around this? Could it be that if 714X works, the industry would loose Billions???
Edward —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amisenna ( talk • contribs) 15:03, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
But, Edward, 714X does not work. conspiracy theory — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.29.133.74 ( talk) 00:40, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
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I added fair amount of information which might be seen as suggesting that it does not work, but that was because that is the accepted scientific take on it (or rather that it is utterly unproven). I tried to keep the language unbiased and just report what I read elsewhere, and above all, to provide references and links. -- Fitzhugh 06:55, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
The inventor of 714-X, Gaston Naessens, NEVER claimed that 714-X was a "cure" for any disease or medical condition. The word "cure" has been attached by orthodox biologists, doctors, and scientists. If a person reads about the trial of Gaston Naessens and his research, this is made clear. The formula, 714-X is taken from his name: "G" is the 7th letter of the alphabet, "N" is the 14th letter of the alphabet, and "X" is the 24th letter of the alphabet and also the year of Naessen's birth (1924). Since Gaston never applied for a patent on his invention (which is based on advanced biology called "Orthobiology"), this was an ingenious way of attaching his name to his invention.
- "Orthodox biologists" in what sense? In that they actually know what they're talking about, as opposed to quack biologists? The guy named his "invention" based on his birthday. What on Earth makes that trustworthy? Just because he was prosecuted, because he was a martyr... therefore his "science" is theoretically sound? And let me inform you... there is no "advanced biology" known as "Orthobiology"!! The Greek rootword (ortho) might suggest that it's the "straight" or "correct" biology, much as Scientology hijacks Greek rootword "sceint"... but it's all nonsense! It's truly sad that anyone can be so deluded by this garbage. Try picking up a book once in awhile, and not a book by L Ron Hubbard. Fuzzform ( talk) 09:38, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
714-X is indeed NOT a cure. What it will do is offer an alternative way to stabilize or boost a human's immune system when it is sick. This may, in time, allow the immune system to become healthy enough to help fight off various infections and/or abnormal conditions.
If we continue to ban anything that is unorthodox or nontraditional, we might as well go back to the days when patients had no say about the medical treatments they would or would not accept and undergo. I am thankful every day that I do have the right to choose traditional Western medicine and treatments OR wholistic medicine, naturopathy, orthobiology, accupuncture, or any other alternative medicine. The fact that health insurance companies now recognize the benefits of some forms of alternative medicine says a lot. It took WAY too long, in my opinion, for patients to be allowed a choice. 714-X, too, will hopefully be recognized soon for what it really is: an alternative means to stabilize the immune system. RaeGirl 16:30, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
- I'm also thankful that I can legally drink plutonium if I so choose! But in any case, that's a really bad idea... just like gulping "714-X" or any other unknown mixture of toxic chemicals. Libertarian politics not withstanding, dangerous substances deserve to be banned. Would we really be better off if we allowed every business to sell potentially lethal concoctions? No. Fuzzform ( talk) 09:29, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
- And by the way, it's "holisitic medicine"... which refers to the use of solutions of toxic compounds that are diluted to the point that they are no longer (entirely) toxic. A one-million-fold serial dilution will contain maybe a molecule or two of the "medicinal" compound, which is in point of fact actually toxic in most all instances... Good Lord... do you really want to poison yourself? Please... don't poison yourself with that garbage. Fuzzform ( talk) 09:27, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
- The tone of the article is rather virulent and condescending. Since recent events suggest that some people react much more strongly to very small doses of a drug than others do, one should give the benefit of the doubt to those who claim that this therapy works for them. Apart from which nobody has yet satisfactorily explained the placebo effect. 76.69.149.208 ( talk) 19:48, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- It's "virulent", it's spreading... and It's "condescending", it relies too heavily on facts. Recent events suggest that quack medicine is effective, snake oil is good for you, radon is healthful, and if you eat enough dinosaur bones it's like a panacea. And the PLACEBO EFFECT!! Good God, what is that? Apparently it's totally unexplained by MODERN SCIENCE!!!!! I try to avoid personal attacks, but you "holism" and "alternative medicine" people are just plain moronic. I challenge anyone to a thorough debate on the relative merits of such nonsense "treatments". Fuzzform ( talk) 09:27, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
Anyone who wishes to argue that "714-X" is anything other than potentially dangerous snake-oil quackery... please put your arguments here, or on my talk page. Fuzzform ( talk) 09:02, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
Dear Fuzzform,
You talk about 714-X like you know so much about it. Despite what you read or heared about it, have you ever tried to do some research, to contact the inventor, to know more about all the history around this man and his product? Have you even done some research on all the success testimonies on Internet? Or do you write articles like this just because "the Industry" will say it no good?
Ask yourself a question ... If 714X is only camphor and water, which is no arm at all ... why is there such a battle around this? Could it be that if 714X works, the industry would loose Billions???
Edward —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amisenna ( talk • contribs) 15:03, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
But, Edward, 714X does not work. conspiracy theory — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.29.133.74 ( talk) 00:40, 12 June 2012 (UTC)