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When you move out of your current state, you acquire new representatives (2 Senators and 1 House Rep.) This is always true until you move out of the country. Then you keep your past state Representatives.
If we live in Wisconsin, then we follow Wisconsin laws. California, California Laws. But South Korea? We don't follow some global standard. we follow a hodgepodge of different state laws. You can't even talk to your friends for advice because they live in different states and follow different laws.
There should be a lot more talk of standardizing registration, voting, and basic needs of American citizens from distinct representatives rather than from my old local representatives that don't think about my needs on a daily or weekly basis. This could be a "virtual" State that has 2 Senators and any number of representatives appropriate
/info/en/?search=American_diaspora Ciscorucinski ( talk) 19:24, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
Given that we have two articles, Statehood movement in Puerto Rico and Proposed political status for Puerto Rico (which probably should be merged), I propose we move the entire Puerto Rico section out of this article; it is or should be completely duplicated by Statehood movement in Puerto Rico, and it's hard to envision anything that should be in this section that would not duplicated. --jpgordon 𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 22:41, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
I am seeing it as possible that after the election there may be a possibility that a 51st state could become a reality. We need to start discussing what to do with this page in that event. There appears to be a precedent on Wikipedia that "#th state" redirects to whichever state--for example 50th state redirects to Hawaii; 49th state redirects to Alaska; 2nd state redirects to Pennsylvania; etc. If it were to so happen that DC becomes the 51st state that 51st state would redirect to Washington, D.C. or possibly renamed to the State of Washington, D.C.. I think that should only become official when it officially is proclaimed a state/admitted into the union. Between the time of statehood approval and the admission of the state, perhaps we could create a disambiguation page on whether to link to "this" page or to go to the Washington, D.C. page. We will have to figure out what to do with the information of the superficial/tongue-in-cheek '51st state candidates'---whether that gets transferred to a 52nd state page (possibly with a note) or if a new page is created to document these as 51st state stuff linked to from the disambiguation page. I have noticed on the page there is a segment on the National Movement for the Establishment of a 49th State and it is regarded with its historical state aspiration number within its time. I don't know if this would serve as precedent or not for other content on this page in the event of statehood. The lead paragraphs also reference how "the 49th state" was the historically equivalent phrase before Alaska and Hawaii became states. Perhaps the page could be renamed something like "Statehood candidates for the United States" or something like that (just floating the option--I like the number option, though redirects are always possible). When Macedonia changed its name to North Macedonia there was an entire Wikipedia clearinghouse page for debates on what is called what, how things would change, when pages would change, and what the new standard operating procedures would be, and how to refer to the old name in its historical context. With a name change to the State of Washington, Douglass Commonwealth or the State of Washington, DC we very well may need some kind of clearinghouse for organized discussion on things like this. Perhaps this discussion is premature or I'm counting my chickens before they hatch/crystal balling, though it's definitely a possibility and perhaps this should be on the mind. I haven't even discussed whether or if there are Constitutional/Supreme Court challenges to any statehood developments. I could be surprised and potentially Puerto Rico becomes a state first. Presumably there would be some similar discussions minus the name change and seat of government issues. Anyone have thoughts on this or is it too early to discuss this? - TenorTwelve ( talk) 06:15, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
Readers come here from Google looking for the number of votes required in congress to add a state, and I can't seem to find anything about this mentioned in the article. Is it 2/3 majority in both house and senate? Can we add this? Cstanford.math ( talk) 21:53, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
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I see no authority for the term 51st state. Is it a term made up by someone using Wikipedia to create the term or is there an official definition? Sam Tomato ( talk) 20:02, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
The links that follow here were not created by me. Sam Tomato ( talk) 20:03, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
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When you move out of your current state, you acquire new representatives (2 Senators and 1 House Rep.) This is always true until you move out of the country. Then you keep your past state Representatives.
If we live in Wisconsin, then we follow Wisconsin laws. California, California Laws. But South Korea? We don't follow some global standard. we follow a hodgepodge of different state laws. You can't even talk to your friends for advice because they live in different states and follow different laws.
There should be a lot more talk of standardizing registration, voting, and basic needs of American citizens from distinct representatives rather than from my old local representatives that don't think about my needs on a daily or weekly basis. This could be a "virtual" State that has 2 Senators and any number of representatives appropriate
/info/en/?search=American_diaspora Ciscorucinski ( talk) 19:24, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
Given that we have two articles, Statehood movement in Puerto Rico and Proposed political status for Puerto Rico (which probably should be merged), I propose we move the entire Puerto Rico section out of this article; it is or should be completely duplicated by Statehood movement in Puerto Rico, and it's hard to envision anything that should be in this section that would not duplicated. --jpgordon 𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 22:41, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
I am seeing it as possible that after the election there may be a possibility that a 51st state could become a reality. We need to start discussing what to do with this page in that event. There appears to be a precedent on Wikipedia that "#th state" redirects to whichever state--for example 50th state redirects to Hawaii; 49th state redirects to Alaska; 2nd state redirects to Pennsylvania; etc. If it were to so happen that DC becomes the 51st state that 51st state would redirect to Washington, D.C. or possibly renamed to the State of Washington, D.C.. I think that should only become official when it officially is proclaimed a state/admitted into the union. Between the time of statehood approval and the admission of the state, perhaps we could create a disambiguation page on whether to link to "this" page or to go to the Washington, D.C. page. We will have to figure out what to do with the information of the superficial/tongue-in-cheek '51st state candidates'---whether that gets transferred to a 52nd state page (possibly with a note) or if a new page is created to document these as 51st state stuff linked to from the disambiguation page. I have noticed on the page there is a segment on the National Movement for the Establishment of a 49th State and it is regarded with its historical state aspiration number within its time. I don't know if this would serve as precedent or not for other content on this page in the event of statehood. The lead paragraphs also reference how "the 49th state" was the historically equivalent phrase before Alaska and Hawaii became states. Perhaps the page could be renamed something like "Statehood candidates for the United States" or something like that (just floating the option--I like the number option, though redirects are always possible). When Macedonia changed its name to North Macedonia there was an entire Wikipedia clearinghouse page for debates on what is called what, how things would change, when pages would change, and what the new standard operating procedures would be, and how to refer to the old name in its historical context. With a name change to the State of Washington, Douglass Commonwealth or the State of Washington, DC we very well may need some kind of clearinghouse for organized discussion on things like this. Perhaps this discussion is premature or I'm counting my chickens before they hatch/crystal balling, though it's definitely a possibility and perhaps this should be on the mind. I haven't even discussed whether or if there are Constitutional/Supreme Court challenges to any statehood developments. I could be surprised and potentially Puerto Rico becomes a state first. Presumably there would be some similar discussions minus the name change and seat of government issues. Anyone have thoughts on this or is it too early to discuss this? - TenorTwelve ( talk) 06:15, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
Readers come here from Google looking for the number of votes required in congress to add a state, and I can't seem to find anything about this mentioned in the article. Is it 2/3 majority in both house and senate? Can we add this? Cstanford.math ( talk) 21:53, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
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I see no authority for the term 51st state. Is it a term made up by someone using Wikipedia to create the term or is there an official definition? Sam Tomato ( talk) 20:02, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
The links that follow here were not created by me. Sam Tomato ( talk) 20:03, 10 May 2021 (UTC)