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Just so no one tries to rename this article again: "3d" is not a typo. The U.S. Army uses "3d" instead of "3rd". ( Atfyfe 20:42, 15 June 2006 (UTC))
FYI, here's a copy of my orders ( https://history.army.mil/html/forcestruc/HRC/2013/113-22_20130423_HRCMD.pdf) for a unit award when I was with 3d ACR which shows the 3d still in use, and I'm linking it directly from the Army's HRC database. Here is the history of Blood and Steel ( http://www.hood.army.mil/3d_cr/files/pdfs/bloodandsteel.pdf) pulled directly from Fort Hood. 3d is still plastered all over Fort Hood as 3d despite what Wikipedia wants to think otherwise. Those who never served in the U.S. military have no idea how some things are just done. And that is a pity. Heyyouoverthere ( talk) 06:13, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
When an article about the 3rd U.S. Cavalry Regiment is created, this page should be removed from Category:Union Army regiments and cross-referenced to those articles. Twisted86 06:52, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
I corrected several scattered instances of "3rd," "third cavalry," and the like to the standard "3d Cavalry;" as well as "[the] regiment" to "Regiment."
In the section about CPT David Rozelle, I removed this statement: "One of the contributing factors that caused this was that Capt. Rozelle had failed to line the bottom of his Humvee with sand bags. This was to supposed to help prevent the blast from entering the vehicle. Has he followed this order, the injury might not have been that substantial." In addition to the poor writing, this section is uninformed speculation. First, there is no reliable source cited for the existence of an order regarding sand bags (because there was no such order) and second, a sand bag-lined floor would not have mitigated the effects of an anti-tank mine explosion on the occupants of a Humvee. 63.160.173.6 17:25, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I standardized the initial format for the squadron sub-sections in the "Origins" section to make them all look the same. I filled in most of the unit "nicknames" from memory, but I've forgotten some, namely HHT, 4th Squadron and HHT, Support Squadron. Also, the Howitzer Batteries for 2d and 3d Squadrons are "Lion" and "Regulator," but I'm not sure which one was which. I haven't been able to find a source for these at the official unit site, Globalsecurity.org, military.com, or anywhere else, so somebody with a better memory than me will have to fill those in.
Also, the Longknife Squadron unit history could use a little cleaning up, and the last paragraph of the Muleskinner Squadron section (regarding OIF III) is of questionable notability. Mike f 16:51, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
HHT SPT is Bullwhip - fixed that. I also cleaned up some of the Muleskinner history for OIF3, but I don't know enough about 4/3 to touch that. My suggestion would be to check the "Mounted Rifleman" magazine (posted obscurely on the ft carson website) for better info and history. Also, I noticed that at some point DarthBinky took out "At present, the 3d Armored Cavalry Regiment is the only heavy armored cavalry regiment left in the Army," in the header, stating that the 11th and 2nd still exist. Well, yes, they exist, but they are light cavalry regiments, not heavy, as in, our 3ACR's Abrams will roll right over your 2ACR Bradley. Sorry, Binky, I'm putting it back. -Rich-cat the Pad God 207.135.154.248 00:28, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
What do we do about Troop names that have changed over time? When I was in C Troop 89-91, it was "Cyclone" Troop, not "Crazyhorse," and we had cyclones painted on the frontal slope portion of the turret of the tanks (don't remember about the Bradleys tho). 71.38.51.145 03:31, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
I've been trying to track down the changes in unit size, organisation, and equipment over the years. Obviously, there's the shift from horses to tanks, but info on the US Army's armoured cavalry regiments is a bit thin. For instance, a lot of detail about the current unit, less on earlier times. Some of this just needs linking to the correct article, I'm sure, but a couple of references suggest that not all the periodic reorganisations of units were applied to all the ACRs. I get the feeling that it needs an insider to explain it all to the rest of us. Zhochaka 14:35, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the proposal was Move. (While I personally disagree that we have to respect "official name" in every nitpicking aspect, especially like this one). Duja ► 14:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't be too controversial ... the unit's official designation is "3d", NOT "3rd", so the article should be named accordingly (see WP:MILHIST#Military_units_and_formations). Also see http://www.hood.army.mil/3d_acr/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mike f ( talk • contribs) 17:55, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
I added a graphic of the 3d Armored Cavalry Regiments structure. However this is the old structure, which will change with the ongoing Transformation of the United States Army. The new structure will be the standardized Heavy armored brigade structure, but as I did not find any information today about which units will survive the transformation, I created a graphic with todays structure. As soon as someone knows what the new structure will be (especially what will happen with the 4th Squadron), let me know and I will update the graphic. -- noclador 19:12, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
This image should fit in somewhere in this article. -- rxnd ( talk) 13:51, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Infodom ( talk) 19:05, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
The 3rd Reconnaissance Squadron (and I think also the 2nd) were stationed at Kapaun Kaserne in Vogelweh, Germany, just outside of Kaiserslautern, from 1961 to 1968. I was there in 1963 and 64, assigned to Headquarters Troop. When not hanging around in the Kaserne, the "Third of the Third" went on maneuvers, we went to the tank range at Grafenwöhr, and we pulled guard duty on the Czech Border. The night that JFK was assassinated (it was night in Germany) MPs zoomed all over town looking for GIs in the streets and the bars and ordered them back to base. All leaves and passes were canceled and we were put on high alert. We assembled in the parade ground fully armed all Friday night and Saturday morning. About noon it was decided that World War III would not break out after all and leaves and passes were reinstated. You can find a lot more history of this unit here:
Go to the main page:
to see what else is available there.
The result of the move request was: Page moved to 3d Cavalry Regiment (United States): per discussion, there is consensus on adding the country. It is not clear that consesnsus exists for "3rd" instead of "3d", so that should be the subject of a separate move discussion Ground Zero | t 18:27, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
3d Cavalry Regiment →
3rd Cavalry Regiment (United States) – First, this is far from the only topic with this name; there's also an Indian unit and an Australian unit with articles (see
Third Cavalry), and
the Military history project prefers to use disambiguations by default. Second, as for 3rd vs 3d, the U.S. military is not very consistent about ordinals, as you can see from
a simple Google search, and as documented for a similar case at
Talk:2nd Cavalry Regiment (United States)#Requested move 2014. "3rd" is normal in English, and some editors think this consistency matters, —
innotata 04:55, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Extra comment: I did a Google search here and the first page was 6 using 3rd and 4 using 3d. A problem I have is that I support the more common name over "official" almost every time but I utterly detest a blanket use of Google just to try to show numbers. Army Times uses 3rd, DOD uses 3rd, news media uses 3rd, [www.forthoodpresscenter.com/go/doc/3439/1159783/ Fort Hood] uses 3rd in the article heading but does use 3d. The headlines on the right all use 3rd. Stars and Stripes here uses 3rd. The Association of the United States Army here uses 3rd. The Killeen Daily Herald here uses 3rd on YouTube. I see that there was a move above and I don't consider it battling to get to the more common name. I will say that it would be a good idea to have a naming convention as long as it looked at both sides to get to the more commonly used. Otr500 ( talk) 22:44, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
( send... over) 03:43, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. - Atfyfe ( talk) 03:59, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
I do want to mention: I think it is nonsense that this vote is conflating two issues. Clearly (United States) should be added to the title. I think the '3rd <-> 3d' issue is completely separate. The fact that one controversial, unclear issue is being voted on with a vote about a clear, obvious issue is wrongheaded and mistaken. Not that I think I would win that vote either, but it is b.s. to conflate these two completely different issues. - Atfyfe ( talk) 04:26, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: move the page to 3rd Cavalry Regiment (United States), per the discussion below and evidence of common usage. Dekimasu よ! 22:42, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
3d Cavalry Regiment (United States) → 3rd Cavalry Regiment (United States) – Starting a new discussion per the admin in the last requested move, who sensibly decided that there was consensus to use national disambiguation, but not on what form of ordinal to use. Apparently, the official usage for this regiment, if not a larger class of U.S. Army units, is to use the non-standard ordinal "3d". However, it's been documented abundantly above that this isn't followed consistently within the Army, there are more Google Books results for the standard than the nonstandard ordinal (even a book about the unit with "3rd" in its title), and we don't follow official usage to a slavish extent. So, I think we should use the normal English ordinal, in the interest of using good style as much as because it's the commonly used name—newspapers and published books not by the Army use standard numerals. --Relisted. Dekimasu よ! 07:59, 16 October 2014 (UTC) — innotata 04:54, 14 September 2014 (UTC) Support move: There is consensus to follow the common name "if" there is no clear reason to deviate and just the use of the "official" name is not reason enough as ordinal numbers ( MOS:ORDINAL) has already established 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th. The Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Article titles, headings, and sections " ...recognizable name or description of the topic that is natural, sufficiently precise, concise, and consistent with the titles of related articles ". Title consistency; United States Army#Regular combat maneuver organizations shows the only odd ball is 3d. Wikipedia-wide see: Air Defense Artillery Branch (United States)#History that includes 18 names, "Major commands" section has 5 (the exception is 263d Army Air & Missile Defense Command that has not been created), "Brigade size units" section has 8 more, with even more in the "Battalions" section. This direction is reflected across Wikipedia (see "Requested move 2014" above for more listed) concerning military number designations. Consistency with content within an article produces the fact that examples of "1st, "2nd" "3rd" are VERY consistent over 2d or 3d in this article as well as prevalent on the vast majority of like articles. Otr500 ( talk) 19:17, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Object The army doesn't have 101 infantry divisions despite the fact that there is a 101st Infantry Division. These numbers are no countings of the units, they are numbers assigned to the units because of their pragmatic usefulness at the time the units were created. The number of units of a type change radically over time, but the unit name (including its number) remains the same as it was given when it was first created. Heck, when Seal Team Six was created they named it "six" merely to imply that they had six seal teams even though there was only one. So these numbers shouldn't be assigned by us as-if they were counts of the units, the numbers are parts of the names of the units. The same goes for the abbreviations. The 3d cavalry carries on the name, symbolism, and traditions of a unit dating back to their formation. Their number and how they spell it is a part of that legacy. In fact, when the army re-designated the unit the "3d cavalry regiment" from its older name the "3d armored cavalry regiment" it had the chance to update the unit's name from 3d to 3rd but choose not to. Why don't we standardize the spelling of Mark across Wikipedia from both "Mark" and "Marc" to just one or the other just for standardization's sake, regardless of what people call themselves or their birth certificates state (in this case the unit designation/formation orders). If you re-name this article you are adding to the misrepresentation of this unit name base on common usage, ignoring the fact that many military units retain archaic spellings and abbrivations as a part of their names because the units are older than then the 30-50 years of life that Wikipedia editors have lived. The units have old spellings because they are old. And no the 3d cavalry is not the only unit like this, the 3d infantry regiment (the oldest active duty regiment in the US Army) also uses the traditional 3d rather than 3rd. But whatever, you do what y'all want. Clearly we need a wikipedia wide policy on this, I am sick of fighting the battle over and over every few years on different unit discussion pages. My vote is against, you see why. I will not comment on these votes again. - Atfyfe ( talk) 00:46, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Object Regular ordinals are irrelevant, since the official title [1] of the organization is 3d [2] (see, specifically, §2-3, where 2d and 3d are the listed, proper, and official designations, not just for this unit). Is the Wikipedia entry for the band The Monkees named back to its normal spelling? No, because the name of the band is spelled with two "e"'s. The Regiment of Mounted Riflemen is now officially the 3d Cavalry Regiment, and renaming the Wiki page because a someone might get "confused" itself confuses the issue (or, worse, because some administrator has a personal vendetta against "non-standard" ordinals). Solving that problem is as simple as creating a redirect page for 3rd Cavalry->3d Cavalry, and possibly a statement in the opening paragraph about the use of the ordinal. Aramis1250 ( talk) 05:50, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
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Neutral - Where the unit sometimes uses one form of the ordinal and sometimes another, I think we should standardize on the one which is most understandable to most people. In this case, the unit very consistently uses 3d to refer to itself. In fact, on the unit's website, they refer to other units as 3rd, but always to themselves as 3d; indicating that they've thought about the difference and they've chosen 3d. However, when I go to army.mil and do a Google search of how that site refers to the unit, I get 238 for 3rd and 69 for 3d, so from what I can tell, the US Army is indifferent to the unit's preference. Google Ngrams, looking at books in American English, favors 3d up until 1925 and 3rd since then. So we could show respect to the unit's preference, but since most of the rest of the world does not, it's just as good to refer to them as 3rd. SchreiberBike talk 23:47, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
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This line got me to raise my eyebrows. I'm certainly no expert and don't know the Wiki edit process but this line strikes me as pretty unbelievable. It does seem to be lifted word for word from the unit's official history but that doesn't make it true.
Am I just misinterpreting this line or is there more context to it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.161.206.5 ( talk) 08:18, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
I've seen some revisions added that include OIR and the nsome others to remove that and just categorize it under Iraq and Afghanistan. This should be seperate as Operation Inherent Resolve did not include Afghanistan however included Syria. This Operation was not tied to combat operations directed against the Taliban, Al Qaeda, or other groups in Iraq but directed at ISIL/ISIS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Micahz2019 ( talk • contribs) 00:02, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
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Just so no one tries to rename this article again: "3d" is not a typo. The U.S. Army uses "3d" instead of "3rd". ( Atfyfe 20:42, 15 June 2006 (UTC))
FYI, here's a copy of my orders ( https://history.army.mil/html/forcestruc/HRC/2013/113-22_20130423_HRCMD.pdf) for a unit award when I was with 3d ACR which shows the 3d still in use, and I'm linking it directly from the Army's HRC database. Here is the history of Blood and Steel ( http://www.hood.army.mil/3d_cr/files/pdfs/bloodandsteel.pdf) pulled directly from Fort Hood. 3d is still plastered all over Fort Hood as 3d despite what Wikipedia wants to think otherwise. Those who never served in the U.S. military have no idea how some things are just done. And that is a pity. Heyyouoverthere ( talk) 06:13, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
When an article about the 3rd U.S. Cavalry Regiment is created, this page should be removed from Category:Union Army regiments and cross-referenced to those articles. Twisted86 06:52, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
I corrected several scattered instances of "3rd," "third cavalry," and the like to the standard "3d Cavalry;" as well as "[the] regiment" to "Regiment."
In the section about CPT David Rozelle, I removed this statement: "One of the contributing factors that caused this was that Capt. Rozelle had failed to line the bottom of his Humvee with sand bags. This was to supposed to help prevent the blast from entering the vehicle. Has he followed this order, the injury might not have been that substantial." In addition to the poor writing, this section is uninformed speculation. First, there is no reliable source cited for the existence of an order regarding sand bags (because there was no such order) and second, a sand bag-lined floor would not have mitigated the effects of an anti-tank mine explosion on the occupants of a Humvee. 63.160.173.6 17:25, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I standardized the initial format for the squadron sub-sections in the "Origins" section to make them all look the same. I filled in most of the unit "nicknames" from memory, but I've forgotten some, namely HHT, 4th Squadron and HHT, Support Squadron. Also, the Howitzer Batteries for 2d and 3d Squadrons are "Lion" and "Regulator," but I'm not sure which one was which. I haven't been able to find a source for these at the official unit site, Globalsecurity.org, military.com, or anywhere else, so somebody with a better memory than me will have to fill those in.
Also, the Longknife Squadron unit history could use a little cleaning up, and the last paragraph of the Muleskinner Squadron section (regarding OIF III) is of questionable notability. Mike f 16:51, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
HHT SPT is Bullwhip - fixed that. I also cleaned up some of the Muleskinner history for OIF3, but I don't know enough about 4/3 to touch that. My suggestion would be to check the "Mounted Rifleman" magazine (posted obscurely on the ft carson website) for better info and history. Also, I noticed that at some point DarthBinky took out "At present, the 3d Armored Cavalry Regiment is the only heavy armored cavalry regiment left in the Army," in the header, stating that the 11th and 2nd still exist. Well, yes, they exist, but they are light cavalry regiments, not heavy, as in, our 3ACR's Abrams will roll right over your 2ACR Bradley. Sorry, Binky, I'm putting it back. -Rich-cat the Pad God 207.135.154.248 00:28, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
What do we do about Troop names that have changed over time? When I was in C Troop 89-91, it was "Cyclone" Troop, not "Crazyhorse," and we had cyclones painted on the frontal slope portion of the turret of the tanks (don't remember about the Bradleys tho). 71.38.51.145 03:31, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
I've been trying to track down the changes in unit size, organisation, and equipment over the years. Obviously, there's the shift from horses to tanks, but info on the US Army's armoured cavalry regiments is a bit thin. For instance, a lot of detail about the current unit, less on earlier times. Some of this just needs linking to the correct article, I'm sure, but a couple of references suggest that not all the periodic reorganisations of units were applied to all the ACRs. I get the feeling that it needs an insider to explain it all to the rest of us. Zhochaka 14:35, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the proposal was Move. (While I personally disagree that we have to respect "official name" in every nitpicking aspect, especially like this one). Duja ► 14:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't be too controversial ... the unit's official designation is "3d", NOT "3rd", so the article should be named accordingly (see WP:MILHIST#Military_units_and_formations). Also see http://www.hood.army.mil/3d_acr/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mike f ( talk • contribs) 17:55, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
I added a graphic of the 3d Armored Cavalry Regiments structure. However this is the old structure, which will change with the ongoing Transformation of the United States Army. The new structure will be the standardized Heavy armored brigade structure, but as I did not find any information today about which units will survive the transformation, I created a graphic with todays structure. As soon as someone knows what the new structure will be (especially what will happen with the 4th Squadron), let me know and I will update the graphic. -- noclador 19:12, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
This image should fit in somewhere in this article. -- rxnd ( talk) 13:51, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Infodom ( talk) 19:05, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
The 3rd Reconnaissance Squadron (and I think also the 2nd) were stationed at Kapaun Kaserne in Vogelweh, Germany, just outside of Kaiserslautern, from 1961 to 1968. I was there in 1963 and 64, assigned to Headquarters Troop. When not hanging around in the Kaserne, the "Third of the Third" went on maneuvers, we went to the tank range at Grafenwöhr, and we pulled guard duty on the Czech Border. The night that JFK was assassinated (it was night in Germany) MPs zoomed all over town looking for GIs in the streets and the bars and ordered them back to base. All leaves and passes were canceled and we were put on high alert. We assembled in the parade ground fully armed all Friday night and Saturday morning. About noon it was decided that World War III would not break out after all and leaves and passes were reinstated. You can find a lot more history of this unit here:
Go to the main page:
to see what else is available there.
The result of the move request was: Page moved to 3d Cavalry Regiment (United States): per discussion, there is consensus on adding the country. It is not clear that consesnsus exists for "3rd" instead of "3d", so that should be the subject of a separate move discussion Ground Zero | t 18:27, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
3d Cavalry Regiment →
3rd Cavalry Regiment (United States) – First, this is far from the only topic with this name; there's also an Indian unit and an Australian unit with articles (see
Third Cavalry), and
the Military history project prefers to use disambiguations by default. Second, as for 3rd vs 3d, the U.S. military is not very consistent about ordinals, as you can see from
a simple Google search, and as documented for a similar case at
Talk:2nd Cavalry Regiment (United States)#Requested move 2014. "3rd" is normal in English, and some editors think this consistency matters, —
innotata 04:55, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Extra comment: I did a Google search here and the first page was 6 using 3rd and 4 using 3d. A problem I have is that I support the more common name over "official" almost every time but I utterly detest a blanket use of Google just to try to show numbers. Army Times uses 3rd, DOD uses 3rd, news media uses 3rd, [www.forthoodpresscenter.com/go/doc/3439/1159783/ Fort Hood] uses 3rd in the article heading but does use 3d. The headlines on the right all use 3rd. Stars and Stripes here uses 3rd. The Association of the United States Army here uses 3rd. The Killeen Daily Herald here uses 3rd on YouTube. I see that there was a move above and I don't consider it battling to get to the more common name. I will say that it would be a good idea to have a naming convention as long as it looked at both sides to get to the more commonly used. Otr500 ( talk) 22:44, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
( send... over) 03:43, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. - Atfyfe ( talk) 03:59, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
I do want to mention: I think it is nonsense that this vote is conflating two issues. Clearly (United States) should be added to the title. I think the '3rd <-> 3d' issue is completely separate. The fact that one controversial, unclear issue is being voted on with a vote about a clear, obvious issue is wrongheaded and mistaken. Not that I think I would win that vote either, but it is b.s. to conflate these two completely different issues. - Atfyfe ( talk) 04:26, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: move the page to 3rd Cavalry Regiment (United States), per the discussion below and evidence of common usage. Dekimasu よ! 22:42, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
3d Cavalry Regiment (United States) → 3rd Cavalry Regiment (United States) – Starting a new discussion per the admin in the last requested move, who sensibly decided that there was consensus to use national disambiguation, but not on what form of ordinal to use. Apparently, the official usage for this regiment, if not a larger class of U.S. Army units, is to use the non-standard ordinal "3d". However, it's been documented abundantly above that this isn't followed consistently within the Army, there are more Google Books results for the standard than the nonstandard ordinal (even a book about the unit with "3rd" in its title), and we don't follow official usage to a slavish extent. So, I think we should use the normal English ordinal, in the interest of using good style as much as because it's the commonly used name—newspapers and published books not by the Army use standard numerals. --Relisted. Dekimasu よ! 07:59, 16 October 2014 (UTC) — innotata 04:54, 14 September 2014 (UTC) Support move: There is consensus to follow the common name "if" there is no clear reason to deviate and just the use of the "official" name is not reason enough as ordinal numbers ( MOS:ORDINAL) has already established 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th. The Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Article titles, headings, and sections " ...recognizable name or description of the topic that is natural, sufficiently precise, concise, and consistent with the titles of related articles ". Title consistency; United States Army#Regular combat maneuver organizations shows the only odd ball is 3d. Wikipedia-wide see: Air Defense Artillery Branch (United States)#History that includes 18 names, "Major commands" section has 5 (the exception is 263d Army Air & Missile Defense Command that has not been created), "Brigade size units" section has 8 more, with even more in the "Battalions" section. This direction is reflected across Wikipedia (see "Requested move 2014" above for more listed) concerning military number designations. Consistency with content within an article produces the fact that examples of "1st, "2nd" "3rd" are VERY consistent over 2d or 3d in this article as well as prevalent on the vast majority of like articles. Otr500 ( talk) 19:17, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Object The army doesn't have 101 infantry divisions despite the fact that there is a 101st Infantry Division. These numbers are no countings of the units, they are numbers assigned to the units because of their pragmatic usefulness at the time the units were created. The number of units of a type change radically over time, but the unit name (including its number) remains the same as it was given when it was first created. Heck, when Seal Team Six was created they named it "six" merely to imply that they had six seal teams even though there was only one. So these numbers shouldn't be assigned by us as-if they were counts of the units, the numbers are parts of the names of the units. The same goes for the abbreviations. The 3d cavalry carries on the name, symbolism, and traditions of a unit dating back to their formation. Their number and how they spell it is a part of that legacy. In fact, when the army re-designated the unit the "3d cavalry regiment" from its older name the "3d armored cavalry regiment" it had the chance to update the unit's name from 3d to 3rd but choose not to. Why don't we standardize the spelling of Mark across Wikipedia from both "Mark" and "Marc" to just one or the other just for standardization's sake, regardless of what people call themselves or their birth certificates state (in this case the unit designation/formation orders). If you re-name this article you are adding to the misrepresentation of this unit name base on common usage, ignoring the fact that many military units retain archaic spellings and abbrivations as a part of their names because the units are older than then the 30-50 years of life that Wikipedia editors have lived. The units have old spellings because they are old. And no the 3d cavalry is not the only unit like this, the 3d infantry regiment (the oldest active duty regiment in the US Army) also uses the traditional 3d rather than 3rd. But whatever, you do what y'all want. Clearly we need a wikipedia wide policy on this, I am sick of fighting the battle over and over every few years on different unit discussion pages. My vote is against, you see why. I will not comment on these votes again. - Atfyfe ( talk) 00:46, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Object Regular ordinals are irrelevant, since the official title [1] of the organization is 3d [2] (see, specifically, §2-3, where 2d and 3d are the listed, proper, and official designations, not just for this unit). Is the Wikipedia entry for the band The Monkees named back to its normal spelling? No, because the name of the band is spelled with two "e"'s. The Regiment of Mounted Riflemen is now officially the 3d Cavalry Regiment, and renaming the Wiki page because a someone might get "confused" itself confuses the issue (or, worse, because some administrator has a personal vendetta against "non-standard" ordinals). Solving that problem is as simple as creating a redirect page for 3rd Cavalry->3d Cavalry, and possibly a statement in the opening paragraph about the use of the ordinal. Aramis1250 ( talk) 05:50, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
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Neutral - Where the unit sometimes uses one form of the ordinal and sometimes another, I think we should standardize on the one which is most understandable to most people. In this case, the unit very consistently uses 3d to refer to itself. In fact, on the unit's website, they refer to other units as 3rd, but always to themselves as 3d; indicating that they've thought about the difference and they've chosen 3d. However, when I go to army.mil and do a Google search of how that site refers to the unit, I get 238 for 3rd and 69 for 3d, so from what I can tell, the US Army is indifferent to the unit's preference. Google Ngrams, looking at books in American English, favors 3d up until 1925 and 3rd since then. So we could show respect to the unit's preference, but since most of the rest of the world does not, it's just as good to refer to them as 3rd. SchreiberBike talk 23:47, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
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This line got me to raise my eyebrows. I'm certainly no expert and don't know the Wiki edit process but this line strikes me as pretty unbelievable. It does seem to be lifted word for word from the unit's official history but that doesn't make it true.
Am I just misinterpreting this line or is there more context to it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.161.206.5 ( talk) 08:18, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
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