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I revised the previous lyric analysis, which was glib and (I would say) not substantially supported by the text. Especially in the context of 1984 (and also, I would add, the contemporary buildup to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, which goes far in unifying the disparate themes of Orwellianism paralysis and impending danger) and Radiohead's previous ouevre, 2+2=5 takes on pretty transparent meaning. I think, though, given Yorke's frequent comments to this effect, that the song shouldn't be understood as a critique of the Iraq war exclusively. -- Jdfawcett 17:52, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
From the text:
"The album lists subtitles, or alternative titles, for each of its songs. 2 + 2 = 5's is The Lukewarm, paralleling a biblical passage from Revelation 3:15-16: "I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot! So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth." Singer Thom Yorke has mentioned it as a reference to the works of Dante."
This biblical reference includes nothing in common with the song, except for the word "Lukewarm." The line suggests that in fact, York intended another meaning, and this user is merely drawing the comparison creatively. This would be original research wouldn't it? I am deleting it, but I won't be checking back later ;)
The result of the debate was PAGE NOT MOVED -- as there was no consensus for the move per discussion below. -- Philip Baird Shearer 13:03, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't see why there should be gaps between the symbols when, as far as I know, there aren't on any tracklistings or covers from Radiohead. U-Mos 13:32, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
<math>2+2=5</math>
)<math>2+2=5\,</math>
)<joke>
Yes, all-caps numbers!</joke>
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The time signature change is confusing me. The "are you such a dreamer..." section from 0:14 to 1:22 is in 7/8, and the heavy section from 1:54 onwards is clearly in 4/4, but the middle section is a bit fuzzy - can anybody with better ears tell for sure which signature this bit falls into? — sjorford ++ 22:49, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
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I revised the previous lyric analysis, which was glib and (I would say) not substantially supported by the text. Especially in the context of 1984 (and also, I would add, the contemporary buildup to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, which goes far in unifying the disparate themes of Orwellianism paralysis and impending danger) and Radiohead's previous ouevre, 2+2=5 takes on pretty transparent meaning. I think, though, given Yorke's frequent comments to this effect, that the song shouldn't be understood as a critique of the Iraq war exclusively. -- Jdfawcett 17:52, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
From the text:
"The album lists subtitles, or alternative titles, for each of its songs. 2 + 2 = 5's is The Lukewarm, paralleling a biblical passage from Revelation 3:15-16: "I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot! So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth." Singer Thom Yorke has mentioned it as a reference to the works of Dante."
This biblical reference includes nothing in common with the song, except for the word "Lukewarm." The line suggests that in fact, York intended another meaning, and this user is merely drawing the comparison creatively. This would be original research wouldn't it? I am deleting it, but I won't be checking back later ;)
The result of the debate was PAGE NOT MOVED -- as there was no consensus for the move per discussion below. -- Philip Baird Shearer 13:03, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't see why there should be gaps between the symbols when, as far as I know, there aren't on any tracklistings or covers from Radiohead. U-Mos 13:32, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
<math>2+2=5</math>
)<math>2+2=5\,</math>
)<joke>
Yes, all-caps numbers!</joke>
+
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The time signature change is confusing me. The "are you such a dreamer..." section from 0:14 to 1:22 is in 7/8, and the heavy section from 1:54 onwards is clearly in 4/4, but the middle section is a bit fuzzy - can anybody with better ears tell for sure which signature this bit falls into? — sjorford ++ 22:49, 4 April 2009 (UTC)