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These are Celebs who died at 27 who should be added, given the peramiters of the page: Aaron Hernandez Thuy Trang Pat Tillman Harry Hains 2600:1702:1931:2420:5CB4:E43F:BA17:2B5E ( talk) 02:26, 29 July 2023 (UTC) Ryuchell (Japanese social media personality/model/LGBT rights activist): Died of Suicide at 27 on 6/12/23 following a messy public divorce and scrutiny/harassment after publicly announcing his gender identity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.68.2.124 ( talk) 19:27, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
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I would like to suggest Paul Hunter is added to this list. Thank you. 92.3.252.49 ( talk) 20:31, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
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Adding another member to the 27 Club bracket, specifically Pete ham - lead vocalist and guitarist of the band "Bad Finger". He died at 27 on the 24th of April, 1975, just 3 days shy of his 28th birthday. I just think because they're at least a prominent band, be should be here. Zombillions ( talk) 18:35, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Actually, Pete Ham is already listed in the table of identified members. — Mudwater ( Talk) 22:45, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Further to my belief that the tone of an encyclopedia should not be that of people sitting around a fire, drinking, and mulling over ideas and recollections, I believe that in the text QUOTE: Daughtry's song "Long Live Rock & Roll" from their 2013 album Baptized references the club with the lyrics "they're forever 27 – Jimmy, Janis, Brian Jones" UNQUOTE (which exists in this article at the date and time I'm typing this talk-page comment) should have the phrase 'Jimmy, Janis' changed to 'Jimi, Janis' if there's no basis for the opinion that the official lyrics really are 'Jimmy' there, and should be changed to 'Jimmy" [sic] ", Janis' if there IS a basis for asserting that the lyrics, despite 'Jimi' being correct, are officially 'Jimmy'. 2600:1700:6759:B000:E894:BFCC:705D:880 ( talk) 05:56, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Christopher Lawrence Simpson
Because we reach 10,000 days in our lives at 27 years and 138 days (depending on leap years) I think it would be an interesting column to add. For example: Walkie made it to 9,991 and Kami made it to 10,002 and Dickie Pride made 10,018… I don’t know how to calculate that or how to add a column to achieve that. Torturella ( talk) 19:41, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
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Anton Yelchin (actor) - 1989 - 2016 should be included on this list. 2A04:4A43:4B8F:C54A:0:0:DE6:2162 ( talk) 06:57, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
The reason I added the tags which were reverted is that the tone of this article is not encyclopaedic. For one thing there is numerous repetition of the term cultural phenomenon, it is even used as a section title but is not a suitable term for a serious article. The Identified Members section has a peculiar unserious tone such as "Because the 27 Club is entirely notional, there is no official membership." Overall this article promotes an urban myth that has been disproved by scientific research and therefore I'm tempted to nominate it for AfD based on WP:NOT despite it passing WP:GNG, imv Atlantic306 ( talk) 20:38, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
I'm really not a big fan of this article and how it's set up and what people's criteria for the 27 club is. The problem is, it's all up to people's interpretation what makes them part of the 27 club and I think that's a terrible bar to set for eager Wikipedia editors that just wanna validate their favorite artist, band, musician, whatever.
You've got artists on the list now that don't even have wikipedia pages. Four of them. That would be "Murda Killa," "Yoo-ju-eun," "Yung Trappa," and "Julian Figeroa." I'm terribly sorry that those people died so young and I'm sure they had their fanbases, but clearly they aren't even notable enough to have a wikipedia page or even a verifiable source confirming that they even died to begin with.
Also, the criteria for what makes someone part of the 27 Club is to me just backwards. You've got the king of Iraq (Ghazi of Iraq), a person who only even mattered to anyone because of nepotism and political hegemony and was by all means a tyrant (I've never heard a positive "spin" put on this guy by anyone, not even Iraqis). Then you've got on here a guy who was an "artist" named Dash Snow that, according to his article, made "collages with his own semen."
Do the right thing guys. Absolutely annihilate this article and only leave like, Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, Amy Winehouse, etc...Household names, not literal jagoffs that make collages with their own semen and get called an artist somehow. Emandudeguyperson ( talk) 22:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
Sure, I understand what you mean. But back to what I said in my original post, regarding only allowing household names on the article, that's basically the criteria I would set up. Like a ton of people are aware of Jean Michel Basquiat, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Kurt Cobain, and I could even give a pass on some of the less well known musicians maybe. I guess what I'm trying to say is I feel like it should be exclusively viewed as a club of artists. I don't think it's a good idea to start adding political figures... I could go down the list right now of some of the names on here... "businessman," "military," "king of iraq," I think all of those should literally be deleted. And even some of the more obscure artists, musicians, etc. should be deleted as well. I meant what I said originally which is basically that unless that they are internationally, damn near universally recognized, then we should probably keep them off the list. But I also respect that you want to use the criterion of the sources linked to their deaths actually naming them as part of the "27 club" as well, which seems fair. I dunno, for me, like I said, I think a lot of the names on the list right now are just a big "WTF?" and why are they on there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emandudeguyperson ( talk • contribs) 11:16, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
I also discourage anyone to go against wikipedia policies. Please don't edit the article to fit your own standards, etc. That's why I wanted to come here and talk about it first and foremost. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emandudeguyperson ( talk • contribs) 20:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- The list is a violation of Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information.
- The list is unlimited and/or unmaintainable.
- The list's membership is volatile and requires a disproportionate amount of effort to keep up to date.
- The list attracts the addition of little that is of clear importance or even relevance in the context of the topic.
@ Michael0986 I'm undoing your reversion with explanation here for discussion. My edit is intended to improve the WP:NPOV of the paragraph, which is about the different interpretations of Cobain's mother's quote. The earlier version wasn't explicit that there are competing interpretations of her quote. I gave it a topic sentence so it's clear what the paragraph is about, and re-ordered the content for clarity but did not add or remove content. My newest edit tweaks some words for more NPOV. Feel free to refine further if you see issues, or discuss here. Thanks. — Goffman82 ( talk) 22:35, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
@ Binksternet I don't understand your revert edit summaries. Please elaborate on the rationale for reverting 1) my edit of the History section that was under active discussion here between me and the other editor, 2) my edit of the members list which has valid references? — Goffman82 ( talk) 08:44, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
On Saturday, Amy Winehouse passed away and became the latest member of Club 27—an exclusive club you don’t want to be in. Club 27 is headlined by musicians Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison, Kurt Cobain, and Brian Jones, who all died of a drug overdose, suicide, or accident at that young age. But the musically inclined aren't the only ones who die at 27. Here are 10 other people who didn’t live to see 28.
At this point in the discussion it looks like there is no consensus to keep the mentalfloss.com source and its unusual list of people who died at age 27, including a pope. Goffman82 and Amakuru want to keep it, Escape_Orbit changed from keep to neutral, possibly leaning remove. Mudwater and I are favoring remove. When discussion is at an impasse, disputed text should stay out of the article per WP:ONUS. Note that Goffman82 has recently expressed a wish to tighten the inclusion criteria, [1] which would certainly result in the Mental Floss names going away. Binksternet ( talk) 01:56, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
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These are Celebs who died at 27 who should be added, given the peramiters of the page: Aaron Hernandez Thuy Trang Pat Tillman Harry Hains 2600:1702:1931:2420:5CB4:E43F:BA17:2B5E ( talk) 02:26, 29 July 2023 (UTC) Ryuchell (Japanese social media personality/model/LGBT rights activist): Died of Suicide at 27 on 6/12/23 following a messy public divorce and scrutiny/harassment after publicly announcing his gender identity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.68.2.124 ( talk) 19:27, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
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I would like to suggest Paul Hunter is added to this list. Thank you. 92.3.252.49 ( talk) 20:31, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
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Adding another member to the 27 Club bracket, specifically Pete ham - lead vocalist and guitarist of the band "Bad Finger". He died at 27 on the 24th of April, 1975, just 3 days shy of his 28th birthday. I just think because they're at least a prominent band, be should be here. Zombillions ( talk) 18:35, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Actually, Pete Ham is already listed in the table of identified members. — Mudwater ( Talk) 22:45, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Further to my belief that the tone of an encyclopedia should not be that of people sitting around a fire, drinking, and mulling over ideas and recollections, I believe that in the text QUOTE: Daughtry's song "Long Live Rock & Roll" from their 2013 album Baptized references the club with the lyrics "they're forever 27 – Jimmy, Janis, Brian Jones" UNQUOTE (which exists in this article at the date and time I'm typing this talk-page comment) should have the phrase 'Jimmy, Janis' changed to 'Jimi, Janis' if there's no basis for the opinion that the official lyrics really are 'Jimmy' there, and should be changed to 'Jimmy" [sic] ", Janis' if there IS a basis for asserting that the lyrics, despite 'Jimi' being correct, are officially 'Jimmy'. 2600:1700:6759:B000:E894:BFCC:705D:880 ( talk) 05:56, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Christopher Lawrence Simpson
Because we reach 10,000 days in our lives at 27 years and 138 days (depending on leap years) I think it would be an interesting column to add. For example: Walkie made it to 9,991 and Kami made it to 10,002 and Dickie Pride made 10,018… I don’t know how to calculate that or how to add a column to achieve that. Torturella ( talk) 19:41, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
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Anton Yelchin (actor) - 1989 - 2016 should be included on this list. 2A04:4A43:4B8F:C54A:0:0:DE6:2162 ( talk) 06:57, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
The reason I added the tags which were reverted is that the tone of this article is not encyclopaedic. For one thing there is numerous repetition of the term cultural phenomenon, it is even used as a section title but is not a suitable term for a serious article. The Identified Members section has a peculiar unserious tone such as "Because the 27 Club is entirely notional, there is no official membership." Overall this article promotes an urban myth that has been disproved by scientific research and therefore I'm tempted to nominate it for AfD based on WP:NOT despite it passing WP:GNG, imv Atlantic306 ( talk) 20:38, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
I'm really not a big fan of this article and how it's set up and what people's criteria for the 27 club is. The problem is, it's all up to people's interpretation what makes them part of the 27 club and I think that's a terrible bar to set for eager Wikipedia editors that just wanna validate their favorite artist, band, musician, whatever.
You've got artists on the list now that don't even have wikipedia pages. Four of them. That would be "Murda Killa," "Yoo-ju-eun," "Yung Trappa," and "Julian Figeroa." I'm terribly sorry that those people died so young and I'm sure they had their fanbases, but clearly they aren't even notable enough to have a wikipedia page or even a verifiable source confirming that they even died to begin with.
Also, the criteria for what makes someone part of the 27 Club is to me just backwards. You've got the king of Iraq (Ghazi of Iraq), a person who only even mattered to anyone because of nepotism and political hegemony and was by all means a tyrant (I've never heard a positive "spin" put on this guy by anyone, not even Iraqis). Then you've got on here a guy who was an "artist" named Dash Snow that, according to his article, made "collages with his own semen."
Do the right thing guys. Absolutely annihilate this article and only leave like, Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, Amy Winehouse, etc...Household names, not literal jagoffs that make collages with their own semen and get called an artist somehow. Emandudeguyperson ( talk) 22:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
Sure, I understand what you mean. But back to what I said in my original post, regarding only allowing household names on the article, that's basically the criteria I would set up. Like a ton of people are aware of Jean Michel Basquiat, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Kurt Cobain, and I could even give a pass on some of the less well known musicians maybe. I guess what I'm trying to say is I feel like it should be exclusively viewed as a club of artists. I don't think it's a good idea to start adding political figures... I could go down the list right now of some of the names on here... "businessman," "military," "king of iraq," I think all of those should literally be deleted. And even some of the more obscure artists, musicians, etc. should be deleted as well. I meant what I said originally which is basically that unless that they are internationally, damn near universally recognized, then we should probably keep them off the list. But I also respect that you want to use the criterion of the sources linked to their deaths actually naming them as part of the "27 club" as well, which seems fair. I dunno, for me, like I said, I think a lot of the names on the list right now are just a big "WTF?" and why are they on there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emandudeguyperson ( talk • contribs) 11:16, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
I also discourage anyone to go against wikipedia policies. Please don't edit the article to fit your own standards, etc. That's why I wanted to come here and talk about it first and foremost. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emandudeguyperson ( talk • contribs) 20:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- The list is a violation of Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information.
- The list is unlimited and/or unmaintainable.
- The list's membership is volatile and requires a disproportionate amount of effort to keep up to date.
- The list attracts the addition of little that is of clear importance or even relevance in the context of the topic.
@ Michael0986 I'm undoing your reversion with explanation here for discussion. My edit is intended to improve the WP:NPOV of the paragraph, which is about the different interpretations of Cobain's mother's quote. The earlier version wasn't explicit that there are competing interpretations of her quote. I gave it a topic sentence so it's clear what the paragraph is about, and re-ordered the content for clarity but did not add or remove content. My newest edit tweaks some words for more NPOV. Feel free to refine further if you see issues, or discuss here. Thanks. — Goffman82 ( talk) 22:35, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
@ Binksternet I don't understand your revert edit summaries. Please elaborate on the rationale for reverting 1) my edit of the History section that was under active discussion here between me and the other editor, 2) my edit of the members list which has valid references? — Goffman82 ( talk) 08:44, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
On Saturday, Amy Winehouse passed away and became the latest member of Club 27—an exclusive club you don’t want to be in. Club 27 is headlined by musicians Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison, Kurt Cobain, and Brian Jones, who all died of a drug overdose, suicide, or accident at that young age. But the musically inclined aren't the only ones who die at 27. Here are 10 other people who didn’t live to see 28.
At this point in the discussion it looks like there is no consensus to keep the mentalfloss.com source and its unusual list of people who died at age 27, including a pope. Goffman82 and Amakuru want to keep it, Escape_Orbit changed from keep to neutral, possibly leaning remove. Mudwater and I are favoring remove. When discussion is at an impasse, disputed text should stay out of the article per WP:ONUS. Note that Goffman82 has recently expressed a wish to tighten the inclusion criteria, [1] which would certainly result in the Mental Floss names going away. Binksternet ( talk) 01:56, 24 April 2024 (UTC)