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On 17 March 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from 2024 NWSL Expansion Draft to 2024 NWSL expansion draft. The result of the discussion was moved. |
The result of the move request was: moved. Per consensus. – robertsky ( talk) 16:40, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
– Per MOS:CAPS and WP:NCCAPS, reserve caps for proper names. These are most often lowercase in sources (and NHL is being handled separately, for no particular reason). Dicklyon ( talk) 02:54, 17 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. queen of 🖤 (they/them; chat) 19:44, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia relies on sources to determine what is conventionally capitalized; only words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources are capitalized in Wikipedia.(Emphasis in original.) The fact that capitalization is fairly common in the sports press and sports-related websites does not translate into meeting our standard, especially when a large proportion of the capitalizing sources are non-independent but have direct promotional ties to an event, team, league, or sport, or are otherwise non-secondary, unreliable sources, but meawhile a large number of the professional journalism and other sources use lower case. Also, these articles of ours are not about televised program[me]s, they are about sports events/processes; none of these things are notable in and of themselves as audiovisual works on television (or the today's web equivalent of television), so there is no plausible argument to force them to be capitalized as titles of works (nor is there any evidence provided, anyway, that the titles of the TV coverage, as-aired, actually agree with our articles titles about the processes/events in the first place). — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 08:55, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
Anyway, the gist is that these terms do not meet our capitalization standards. The capitalization is just favored by particular publishers like Goal.com and All for XI (whatever those are), and ones with promotional ties to a sports or its leagues or teams. These are demonstrably not proper names (in any sense that WP cares about or which affects capitalization decisions). The very fact that they're frequently lower-case is proof of that. No one writes "the pacific ocean" or "the netherlands", but quite a large number of writers use "the NWSL expansion draft", etc. PS: Lower-case is also even more common outside the only quasi-independent sports press, of course [2]. PPS: An further indication a bunch of this capitalization is simply wrong is that a number of these things are foreign leagues from non-English-speaking places, and "expansion draft" is simply an English-language term being applied to what they are doing, and is not an official name of anything to do with those leagues ( not that WP cares about official names anyway). — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 08:55, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
... is arbitrarily used to denote a particular person, place, or thing without regard to any descriptive meaning the word or phrase may have ...These are clearly descriptive with respect to process and the event at which this process occurs - though these articles focus on the process. They are therefore not ipso facto proper nouns that would normally be capitalised except for significance and we don't do that per MOS:SIGNIFCAPS. We might do so if they we clearly capitalised consistently in independent sources (per MOS:CAPS an WP:NCCAPS). The evidence provided does not indicate this to be the case. Alegorical claims are not substantive evidence. Cinderella157 ( talk) 06:39, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
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On 17 March 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from 2024 NWSL Expansion Draft to 2024 NWSL expansion draft. The result of the discussion was moved. |
The result of the move request was: moved. Per consensus. – robertsky ( talk) 16:40, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
– Per MOS:CAPS and WP:NCCAPS, reserve caps for proper names. These are most often lowercase in sources (and NHL is being handled separately, for no particular reason). Dicklyon ( talk) 02:54, 17 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. queen of 🖤 (they/them; chat) 19:44, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia relies on sources to determine what is conventionally capitalized; only words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources are capitalized in Wikipedia.(Emphasis in original.) The fact that capitalization is fairly common in the sports press and sports-related websites does not translate into meeting our standard, especially when a large proportion of the capitalizing sources are non-independent but have direct promotional ties to an event, team, league, or sport, or are otherwise non-secondary, unreliable sources, but meawhile a large number of the professional journalism and other sources use lower case. Also, these articles of ours are not about televised program[me]s, they are about sports events/processes; none of these things are notable in and of themselves as audiovisual works on television (or the today's web equivalent of television), so there is no plausible argument to force them to be capitalized as titles of works (nor is there any evidence provided, anyway, that the titles of the TV coverage, as-aired, actually agree with our articles titles about the processes/events in the first place). — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 08:55, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
Anyway, the gist is that these terms do not meet our capitalization standards. The capitalization is just favored by particular publishers like Goal.com and All for XI (whatever those are), and ones with promotional ties to a sports or its leagues or teams. These are demonstrably not proper names (in any sense that WP cares about or which affects capitalization decisions). The very fact that they're frequently lower-case is proof of that. No one writes "the pacific ocean" or "the netherlands", but quite a large number of writers use "the NWSL expansion draft", etc. PS: Lower-case is also even more common outside the only quasi-independent sports press, of course [2]. PPS: An further indication a bunch of this capitalization is simply wrong is that a number of these things are foreign leagues from non-English-speaking places, and "expansion draft" is simply an English-language term being applied to what they are doing, and is not an official name of anything to do with those leagues ( not that WP cares about official names anyway). — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 08:55, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
... is arbitrarily used to denote a particular person, place, or thing without regard to any descriptive meaning the word or phrase may have ...These are clearly descriptive with respect to process and the event at which this process occurs - though these articles focus on the process. They are therefore not ipso facto proper nouns that would normally be capitalised except for significance and we don't do that per MOS:SIGNIFCAPS. We might do so if they we clearly capitalised consistently in independent sources (per MOS:CAPS an WP:NCCAPS). The evidence provided does not indicate this to be the case. Alegorical claims are not substantive evidence. Cinderella157 ( talk) 06:39, 25 March 2024 (UTC)