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Requested move 7 July 2023
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The result of the move request was: Not moved.
WP:SNOW consensus against. Proposed title is inaccurate (rape, not sexual assault), and editors established a consensus that the focus was on a child requiring an abortion.
WP:TROUTUser:Jax 0677 for the inaccurate name, at least. (
non-admin closure) starship.paint (
exalt) 00:44, 9 July 2023 (UTC)reply
No. Firstly, Fuentes was convicted of rape, not sexual assault. And secondly, the existing title summarises why the subject is notable, while the proposed one doesn't.
AndyTheGrump (
talk) 16:24, 7 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose. The case is not notable due to the identity or activity of the rapist, but due to the actions of the states involved.
BD2412T 17:06, 7 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose. This case is notable as a poster-child for one side of the abortion debate in the USA. That has nothing to do with the name of the perpetrator, although there is no reason why that shouldn't be a redirect, as created by the nominator.
Phil Bridger (
talk) 19:58, 7 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose This would be a deletion-worthy
WP:NOTNEWS article if it wasn't for the intersection with the Roe v Wade repeal. The abortion angle is the one of lasting significance.
Hemiauchenia (
talk) 21:37, 7 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose The importance of this article is the place in has in discussions about abortion changes in the United States, not who the perpetrator was. The rapist's name shouldn't be in the article title. He's not the headline here. LizRead!Talk! 04:41, 8 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Surely if we are to shorten the title it should be to
2022 Ohio child-rape case. The issue that made this notable was the law in Ohio. Indiana just happened to be the most convenient state that had a slightly less stringent law.
Phil Bridger (
talk) 18:13, 8 July 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Phil Bridger: Surely the abortion was what gained the case nationwide attention, especially in light of Dobbs v. Jackson several days prior. 〜
Festucalex •
talk 19:03, 8 July 2023 (UTC)reply
The fact that this caused controversy in Indiana, including investigation into the doctor, is also what makes this notable. I agree that the current title is a bit clunky, but I don't see a better one that doesn't exclude important information.
voorts (
talk/
contributions) 19:20, 8 July 2023 (UTC)reply
I think I just need to leave this to Americans to decide. Attitudes to abortion are, along with lack of gun control laws, one of those thing about the US that leave most of the rest of the Western world dumbfounded.
Phil Bridger (
talk) 19:46, 8 July 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Phil Bridger: I disagree. Wikipedia has enough American bias as it stands. I see no problem in introducing a little outside perspective into this. 〜
Festucalex •
talk 19:54, 8 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose because the
scope of the article is the rape exception in abortion law post-Dobbs, not the crime itself. Including the name of the perpetrator in the article title is beyond
undue. That said, support keeping the
Gerson Fuentes redirect to this page.
voorts (
talk/
contributions) 17:34, 8 July 2023 (UTC)reply
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The result of the move request was: moved. Speedily moved back from the undiscussed move from a consensus-based title. A new discussion can be opened if a new move is being proposed.
BD2412T 20:47, 24 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support and speedy close.
2022 Ohio child-rape and Indiana abortion case is the consensus title per a 2022 RM. The article was moved two days ago without discussion; this should simply be reverted, no new RM required.
162 etc. (
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Requested move 7 July 2023
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The result of the move request was: Not moved.
WP:SNOW consensus against. Proposed title is inaccurate (rape, not sexual assault), and editors established a consensus that the focus was on a child requiring an abortion.
WP:TROUTUser:Jax 0677 for the inaccurate name, at least. (
non-admin closure) starship.paint (
exalt) 00:44, 9 July 2023 (UTC)reply
No. Firstly, Fuentes was convicted of rape, not sexual assault. And secondly, the existing title summarises why the subject is notable, while the proposed one doesn't.
AndyTheGrump (
talk) 16:24, 7 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose. The case is not notable due to the identity or activity of the rapist, but due to the actions of the states involved.
BD2412T 17:06, 7 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose. This case is notable as a poster-child for one side of the abortion debate in the USA. That has nothing to do with the name of the perpetrator, although there is no reason why that shouldn't be a redirect, as created by the nominator.
Phil Bridger (
talk) 19:58, 7 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose This would be a deletion-worthy
WP:NOTNEWS article if it wasn't for the intersection with the Roe v Wade repeal. The abortion angle is the one of lasting significance.
Hemiauchenia (
talk) 21:37, 7 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose The importance of this article is the place in has in discussions about abortion changes in the United States, not who the perpetrator was. The rapist's name shouldn't be in the article title. He's not the headline here. LizRead!Talk! 04:41, 8 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Surely if we are to shorten the title it should be to
2022 Ohio child-rape case. The issue that made this notable was the law in Ohio. Indiana just happened to be the most convenient state that had a slightly less stringent law.
Phil Bridger (
talk) 18:13, 8 July 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Phil Bridger: Surely the abortion was what gained the case nationwide attention, especially in light of Dobbs v. Jackson several days prior. 〜
Festucalex •
talk 19:03, 8 July 2023 (UTC)reply
The fact that this caused controversy in Indiana, including investigation into the doctor, is also what makes this notable. I agree that the current title is a bit clunky, but I don't see a better one that doesn't exclude important information.
voorts (
talk/
contributions) 19:20, 8 July 2023 (UTC)reply
I think I just need to leave this to Americans to decide. Attitudes to abortion are, along with lack of gun control laws, one of those thing about the US that leave most of the rest of the Western world dumbfounded.
Phil Bridger (
talk) 19:46, 8 July 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Phil Bridger: I disagree. Wikipedia has enough American bias as it stands. I see no problem in introducing a little outside perspective into this. 〜
Festucalex •
talk 19:54, 8 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose because the
scope of the article is the rape exception in abortion law post-Dobbs, not the crime itself. Including the name of the perpetrator in the article title is beyond
undue. That said, support keeping the
Gerson Fuentes redirect to this page.
voorts (
talk/
contributions) 17:34, 8 July 2023 (UTC)reply
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The result of the move request was: moved. Speedily moved back from the undiscussed move from a consensus-based title. A new discussion can be opened if a new move is being proposed.
BD2412T 20:47, 24 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support and speedy close.
2022 Ohio child-rape and Indiana abortion case is the consensus title per a 2022 RM. The article was moved two days ago without discussion; this should simply be reverted, no new RM required.
162 etc. (
talk) 17:05, 24 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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