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Provisional classification lists everyone as done one lap + no points awarded. Who's right?... Admanny ( talk) 17:22, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
This is a highly unusual event in Formula One history, and the need to handle how we write about it differently than usual has already caused a fair amount of discussion. I think it might be a good idea to start compiling sources in order to make note of how the event is described in them and to work towards a consensus on how we should describe it.
Looking at several of these patterns I suspect that the usage of the word "farce" probably stems from Lewis Hamilton being widely quoted as using it, while the scare-quotes on "race" may be related to statements made by Alfa Romeo and McLaren. There's probably a lot more to dig through, but I think establishing who actually said what and allowing opinions to be reflected in the article while keeping a WP:NPOV on Wikivoice statements is important.
HumanBodyPiloter5 ( talk) 04:45, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
It's also important to make a distinction about which aspects where are were a farce/critised. i.e. If we write Hamilton called the event a "farce"
- that isn't neutral, because it is isn't accurate. It would have to be Hamilton called the decision to run three laps behing the safety car a "farce"
Same with the Masi critism, nobody (whose opinion is noteworthy/as far as I'm aware) is critising his decision not to allow green-flag racing, only to run the three laps behind the saftey car.
So long as we follow this, we should be fine.
SSSB (
talk) 08:53, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Reading through sources I am forced to question how appropriate the wording of "The 2021 Belgian Grand Prix was a Formula One motor race held on 29 August 2021 at the Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps
" in the lead is. This possibly carries over to numerous other cases where the word "race" is used, however the prominence of the opening sentence makes this more significant. Several of the sources mentioned above, as well as others like this
Racer magazine article, or this
paywalled Autosport article either question whether the event was actually a race or outright reject the notion. I think a wording which clarifies that from an official or formal perspective a race did take place while also making it clear that many do not consider the event to have been an actual race would be more appropriate and reflective of sources. I don't know what this wording would look like, but it should be considered.
HumanBodyPiloter5 (
talk) 07:23, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
The 2021 Belgian Grand Prix was a Formula One motor racing event held on 27-29 August 2021 at the Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps? I know we argued about if Grand Prix refers to the weekend or the race and I seem to remeber that we concluded that we could use either, as sources don't agree (though I could be mistaken)
event held over 32-34 Smarch" wording in the opening sentence of the lead may mislead some readers into believing that the grand prix was a multi-day endurance race on other articles. HumanBodyPiloter5 ( talk) 08:45, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
What the heck do we do for Perez in grid position? - article still has 7 just now in the qualifying table - others who started at the back have this noted - so should there be some note for Perez starting at the back as well. (I mean even the stewards weren't sure of the situation here, so ....) 141.92.129.45 ( talk) 16:29, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Gary Anderson said cars could run safely in wet condition at a reduced speed that was dictated by either the lead car or an FIA mandated delta time. 2A02:C7F:FC54:C400:1C02:96DD:EA3E:327B ( talk) 05:51, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
Nikita Mazepin was given the fastest lap award. I tried to correct but it was removed soon after. His time was a 3:18.016 CarbonF11240 ( talk) 14:02, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
References
Hi just to let you know I have expanded the article introduction and put more detail in it. I have also restructured the article so the race classification now comes immediately after the race report and before the post-race stuff as I thought it made more sense to have it there . I think the article flows better because of this . What does anyone else think?-- MKL123 ( talk) 15:17, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
I rewrote some parts of the introduction and fixed a few mistakes in the rest of the Article. I think the introduction is written a bit too complicated and might be difficult to understand. Does anyone else think the same? Computergy22 ( talk) 20:32, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
On the bar on the right, there are two different pieces of information: Course length (7.004km) (4.352mi); and Distance (6.880km) (4.275km.) I normally consider myself to be familiar with F1, but I do not understand why there is a difference. Is there a difference between the two, like say the racing line and the line if driven through the centre of the track? Something else? MarsyJ3 ( talk) 03:47, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
This has the consequence that the cars actually traveled less distance than the official race distance, for those reasons. But this is true of any GP, as the drivers don't drive on the circuits centre line (which is used to determine circuit length). SSSB ( talk) 22:40, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
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Text and/or other creative content from this version of 2022 Formula One World Championship was copied or moved into 2021 Belgian Grand Prix with this edit on 14 February 2022. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. |
Provisional classification lists everyone as done one lap + no points awarded. Who's right?... Admanny ( talk) 17:22, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
This is a highly unusual event in Formula One history, and the need to handle how we write about it differently than usual has already caused a fair amount of discussion. I think it might be a good idea to start compiling sources in order to make note of how the event is described in them and to work towards a consensus on how we should describe it.
Looking at several of these patterns I suspect that the usage of the word "farce" probably stems from Lewis Hamilton being widely quoted as using it, while the scare-quotes on "race" may be related to statements made by Alfa Romeo and McLaren. There's probably a lot more to dig through, but I think establishing who actually said what and allowing opinions to be reflected in the article while keeping a WP:NPOV on Wikivoice statements is important.
HumanBodyPiloter5 ( talk) 04:45, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
It's also important to make a distinction about which aspects where are were a farce/critised. i.e. If we write Hamilton called the event a "farce"
- that isn't neutral, because it is isn't accurate. It would have to be Hamilton called the decision to run three laps behing the safety car a "farce"
Same with the Masi critism, nobody (whose opinion is noteworthy/as far as I'm aware) is critising his decision not to allow green-flag racing, only to run the three laps behind the saftey car.
So long as we follow this, we should be fine.
SSSB (
talk) 08:53, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Reading through sources I am forced to question how appropriate the wording of "The 2021 Belgian Grand Prix was a Formula One motor race held on 29 August 2021 at the Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps
" in the lead is. This possibly carries over to numerous other cases where the word "race" is used, however the prominence of the opening sentence makes this more significant. Several of the sources mentioned above, as well as others like this
Racer magazine article, or this
paywalled Autosport article either question whether the event was actually a race or outright reject the notion. I think a wording which clarifies that from an official or formal perspective a race did take place while also making it clear that many do not consider the event to have been an actual race would be more appropriate and reflective of sources. I don't know what this wording would look like, but it should be considered.
HumanBodyPiloter5 (
talk) 07:23, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
The 2021 Belgian Grand Prix was a Formula One motor racing event held on 27-29 August 2021 at the Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps? I know we argued about if Grand Prix refers to the weekend or the race and I seem to remeber that we concluded that we could use either, as sources don't agree (though I could be mistaken)
event held over 32-34 Smarch" wording in the opening sentence of the lead may mislead some readers into believing that the grand prix was a multi-day endurance race on other articles. HumanBodyPiloter5 ( talk) 08:45, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
What the heck do we do for Perez in grid position? - article still has 7 just now in the qualifying table - others who started at the back have this noted - so should there be some note for Perez starting at the back as well. (I mean even the stewards weren't sure of the situation here, so ....) 141.92.129.45 ( talk) 16:29, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Gary Anderson said cars could run safely in wet condition at a reduced speed that was dictated by either the lead car or an FIA mandated delta time. 2A02:C7F:FC54:C400:1C02:96DD:EA3E:327B ( talk) 05:51, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
Nikita Mazepin was given the fastest lap award. I tried to correct but it was removed soon after. His time was a 3:18.016 CarbonF11240 ( talk) 14:02, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
References
Hi just to let you know I have expanded the article introduction and put more detail in it. I have also restructured the article so the race classification now comes immediately after the race report and before the post-race stuff as I thought it made more sense to have it there . I think the article flows better because of this . What does anyone else think?-- MKL123 ( talk) 15:17, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
I rewrote some parts of the introduction and fixed a few mistakes in the rest of the Article. I think the introduction is written a bit too complicated and might be difficult to understand. Does anyone else think the same? Computergy22 ( talk) 20:32, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
On the bar on the right, there are two different pieces of information: Course length (7.004km) (4.352mi); and Distance (6.880km) (4.275km.) I normally consider myself to be familiar with F1, but I do not understand why there is a difference. Is there a difference between the two, like say the racing line and the line if driven through the centre of the track? Something else? MarsyJ3 ( talk) 03:47, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
This has the consequence that the cars actually traveled less distance than the official race distance, for those reasons. But this is true of any GP, as the drivers don't drive on the circuits centre line (which is used to determine circuit length). SSSB ( talk) 22:40, 24 December 2022 (UTC)