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Sounds like elections out of Honduras or something. America is not a democracy at all. AHC300 ( talk) 07:41, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
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Change "Do to inconsistencies" to "Due to inconsistencies" located in the first line under the "Results" sub header. kthxbai 162.119.128.140 ( talk) 11:15, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74sEuNa1Pzg Globepedia ( talk) 06:13, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
What should be done about this should it happen? Arglebargle79 ( talk) 19:51, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
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Please add presidential candidate Andrew Yang. NinetyTwo222 ( talk) 06:10, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Hi,
What should the ordering be for the candidates in the infobox? I think it should be alphabetical, personally. There aren't any verified results, as of yet (apparently): [1]. David O. Johnson ( talk) 06:57, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
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Please add the following after Biden's headshot: 172.116.227.1 ( talk) 06:05, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
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Meep?) 17:55, 4 February 2020 (UTC)Hi,
I've seen at least five IPs add something about rigging the caucuses against Bernie to the intro, in addition to a few IPs adding Yang to the infobox. What do you all think of limiting the editing to only autoconfirmed users on this article? David O. Johnson ( talk) 06:00, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
The results that is shown right now can be fake. Or at least not accurate. Delete them until there is official numbers. Is what I strongly suggest. Mats33 ( talk) 22:07, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
In the "Delay in Final Results section", it was mentioned that Pete Buttigieg's and Joe Biden's campaigns contributed money to Shadow Inc. This may give off the impression that these were the only two campaigns involved, while Kirsten Gillibrand's (now defunct) campaign as well as the Texas, Wisconsin, and Nevada state democratic parties also contributed. [1] This may or may not be necessary, but with the many conspiracy theories floating around, I think it may be important to limit any misrepresentation that may occur. 152.228.60.59 ( talk) 18:34, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
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Add Yang back in Marielv06 ( talk) 03:05, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
I had assumed that Biden's picture was the one that appeared in previews, at the top of the mobile version, etc. because it was the first picture in the article, which it was because he had the highest polling average, or he was the alphabetically-first 'major major' candidate, or something reasonable; however, now the pictures are ordered by delegates and ones with the same numbers of delegates are ordered by popular vote (which is definitely how they should be), which puts Buttigieg first, but Biden's face is still the one I'm seeing in big at the top on mobile. Why is that then, and how do we fix it? Adam Dent ( talk) 06:07, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Why is the preview image (the image you see when you mouse over the article name on another article) the picture of Biden??? I mean, he certainly did not win... 123popos123 ( talk) 11:29, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
How are the percentages of delegates different if they have the same number? Anguswalker ( talk) 13:47, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Will be content, when the DNC is releases the entire numbers, so we can stop with the switching back & forth of the top two candidates. GoodDay ( talk) 16:33, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
When you hover on "SDE" in the two places it appears in the infobox, it incorrectly displays "District and State Delegates". That is not what it stands for. It stands for "State Delegate Equivalents". This error is also made in the body of the article, in the "Procedure" section; it says, "...they will go to their local county convention on March 21, 2020, to choose 2,107 District and State Delegates (SDE) for the district conventions on April 25..." All other mentions of SDE in the article correctly state that it stands for "State Delegate Equivalents". 2605:A000:FFC0:D8:18AE:9870:D055:58D9 ( talk) 14:12, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
At the moment, Pete Buttigieg is listed before Bernie Sanders in the election infobox despite getting less votes. Is there another order in use here or should they be swapped? Or are the numbers still being disputed?-- Furbybrain ( talk) 11:40, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Please refer to the earlier discussion. Thanks. Smith0124 ( talk) 13:31, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
I ask for sources to back the popular vote % - Centrist1 ( talk) 14:34, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
It should be more clear that we don't know how many delegates they'll have until they are fully counted and we don't know who is in the lead. Listing Pete as the apparent winner when there are 9 unpledged delegates could unethically affect the election.
Paragraph 2 refers to ex-Hilary Clinton. Um, how was that again??? Ptilinopus ( talk) 09:17, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
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Bold Pete Buttigieg's SDE count and percentage and then bold Bernie Sanders' popular vote percentage 67.70.35.48 ( talk) 15:41, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
The delayed announcement of results may have an impact on:
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Also Hillary Clinton as the company that made the app, Shadow, was started by her campaign. Smith0124 ( talk) 17:01, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
I believe that Andrew Yang should be included. He got some SDEs and there’s a missing spot on the infobox. Thoughts? Smith0124 ( talk) 15:46, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Cool, I’m glad we sorted that out. I feel that if we don’t include Yang, we shouldn’t include Klobuchar either for the same reasons. Smith0124 ( talk) 16:07, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Fair enough. Everyone else hates the compromise anyway. Smith0124 ( talk) 18:22, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
I know this hasn't been possible in this past, because the DNC literally did not release these numbers. But now that we have them, I feel like they are relevant, especially considering we may see a razor thin margin between Sanders and Buttigieg based on delegate allocation but a different gap in raw vote totals. Is this something that's possible? It would make it all seem more transparent, in any case, and can only add relevant information.
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I think we should, not sure how to do it. The template won't show those numbers. Smith0124 ( talk) 06:27, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
The delegates and the % shouldn’t be together, it should be in different parts, they are not the same thing. - Centrist1 ( talk) 07:07, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
The infobox was showing the total final alignment votes, along with % SDEs. This is absurd as the percentages didn't match up with any previous stat. I don't think the infobox should show anything other than the delegates, as previous years have done. Things like numbers and percentages for first alignment vote, final alignment vote, SDEs... are aspects of the caucus process which can be found in the article, but the only number which is now relevant as the result of the caucus is the delegates. The infobox should only have delegates and, when all have been allocated, the percentage of those delegates for each candidate. Wikiditm ( talk) 07:52, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for starting this discussion; I actually started to type up a similar request a bit before you posted this but was distracted for a few hours. Nice to come back and see that someone else posted about it anyway! Master of Time (talk) 09:13, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
I don't think we should include vote percentages (and probably not raw vote counts either) in the infobox. It clutters and confuses the summary, and votes are not determinant of who wins the caucuses. 2016 Iowa Democratic caucuses is probably a good model to follow. - Mr X 🖋 13:30, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
I agree, it’s actually important enough for the Democrats to change their ways and actually report it this time. Smith0124 ( talk) 13:53, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to participate in the RfC below to determine if there is consensus to include this information. [[#RfC: Should the popular vote statistics be included in the infobox?|]] - Mr X 🖋 15:11, 6 February 2020 (UTC) Why are you calling the final alignment vote the popular vote? Should not that be the vote that reflects the popular will? If the second alignment vote totals where the same there might be some reasoning behind that, but now the second total is lower, so you are essentially hiding the votes of those people that left the caucus by calling the second alignment the popular vote. As a election officer from the Swedish parlamentary elections I find this severely disturbing. /Michel Rowinski — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.177.48.22 ( talk) 22:15, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Should The Green Papers estimates for pledged delegates be used in place of those from major sources like the New York Times?
See [8] [9] [10] for examples. - Mr X 🖋 18:22, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Should the popular vote in the infobox list the Initial or Final alignments? (It is currently showing final alignment.) I would think initial alignment would be a more accurate "popular vote" as it is what people voted by default. Nixinova T C 02:34, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
@ TheNavigatrr: Hi, could you change Buttigieg's color, using "#f2ba42", decided on the 2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries article's talk page? Thank you :) -- Nick.mon ( talk) 10:17, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
I don't know if there's any specific way Wikipedia editors come up with colors for various candidates. In advance, I'd just like to suggest some colors that I think .svg maps of the caucuses should use.
I chose the color purple to represent his connections with the Obama administration (whose 2008 primary run was colored a lighter purple). I also picked it because blue is commonly a color of conservatism, and Biden definitely represents the right-wing of the Democratic Party (in 2020 at least).
Green for Bernie because that was what he used in 2016.
Red for Warren because of her more left-wing, labor stances. Also because it looks good. The rest were less thought out, but I still think they "fit" the candidates pretty well.
... and, just in case,
I've made a few sample maps where the colors are forced to interact with one another (
see this link to a fake 2020 NY Primary), and they look really good in my opinion! Hopefully whoever makes the eventual .svg file will consider using these colors. Thanks! :)
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The thing that really matters is who wins the national delegates, those are the ones who vote for president. That's the first thing that comes up on a google search when you do Iowa results 2020. So why is this not on the results on the top of this page? AHC300 ( talk) 14:41, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
Many people come to this article for reputable data related to delegate counts. I don't think that it's appropriate to bold or highlight vote totals that have been publicly debated and critiqued for being fundamentally flawed to to the most basic errors, from coin flips to row switches in Excel. Keeping these edits published here further misleads and confuses the public as to what the true counts are, which not even the Iowa Democratic Party knows.
The solution I propose is removing bolding and highlighting for vote totals and percentages. Buffaboy talk 04:12, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
Only the chart itself should be transcluded. Half the article is now on the results page. Arglebargle79 ( talk) 15:20, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
I submit that the natural order to present the candidates while there are no official results on delegates is through the popular vote. Homo logos ( talk) 08:05, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
In U.S., red is usually for more conservative candidates. I find it weird to choose blue for Biden and Red for Warren. That seems backwards. Buttigieg and Sanders have good colors. But what is up with pink for Klobushar? --- C& C ( Coffeeandcrumbs) 01:15, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
May I suggest:
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Klobuchar uses green in much of her campaign imagery, and Pete uses yellow. Fitting to have those colors assigned respectively. Perathian ( talk) 14:33, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
Candidate colors should be consistent across all Wikipedia articles on this subject. This issue was discussed on the talk page for the main Democratic primary article, most recently at Archive 7. I suggest that any further discussion be moved to Talk:2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries before any changes are made here. -- Spiffy sperry ( talk) 22:02, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
I strongly am against changing the colors again from the ones agreed on and used presently unless there is something wrong with them; and furthermore it has already been discussed multiple times before that choosing colors for candidates based on how you perceive their policies to be, or how you perceive them personally; ie, red=more conservative=bloomberg, or red=left wing=sanders (see main talk page archive 3) or as someone once suggested on archive 7, purple/pink=gay=buttigieg (!!!), constitutes WP:OR. The colors used presently don't really have any problems other than that some here have had trouble identifying colors with candidates or have a dislike of yellow; compare to Ted Cruz in the 2016 Republican Party presidential primaries map where yellow is used and it looks great. Additionally, the current colors were picked specifically with color-blind accessibility in mind, and undoing that is very unnecessary. Cookieo131 ( talk) 02:40, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
I like Pete's new colour, slightly less pukey looking. By the way Amy is man enough to wear pink. (I linked to the reservoir dogs scene to highlight how stupid this whole discussion is). MaxBrowne2 ( talk) 11:44, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
Shadow Inc. was launched by ACRONYM, a nonprofit corporation founded in 2017 by Tara McGowan, a political strategist who runs companies aimed at promoting Democratic candidates and priorities. McGowan, 34, is married to Michael Halle, a senior strategist for Pete Buttigieg’s presidential campaign, which records show has also paid Shadow Inc. $42,500 for software.
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link)I believe some mention of Tara McGowan's link to Buttigieg should be made. -- David Tornheim ( talk) 07:32, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
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Hello all,
Just looked at this source:
https://apnews.com/afs:Content:8464590602
It disputes that Buttigieg paid for the creation of the app. It does not dispute that he paid the company that made the app. Specifically, it claims he did pay the company that made the app. This wiki claims it has been debunked that Buttigieg paid the app.
In summary, it would appear based on the source the Butigieg did not pay for the app itself, but paid the company that made the app. In my opinion, this needs to be pointed out.
Just a heads up. I have never commented on this site before so let me know if I'm breaking any rules.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:fcc8:ad81:6500:d56:a81c:e1a3:500f ( talk • contribs) 17:50, February 7, 2020 (UTC)
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The results are yet to be known with a thin razor margin separating the two leading candidates, with Sanders in the lead with the popular vote, and Buttigieg in the lead with the SDEs although the New York Times predict a Sanders victory overall with 97% in [1]
The Associated Press cannot declare a winner. Please include this.
The results are yet to be known with a thin razor margin separating the two leading candidates, with Sanders in the lead with the popular vote, and Buttigieg in the lead with the SDEs although the New York Times predict a Sanders victory overall with 97% in [2] However, the Assoicated Press reported on February 6 that no winner can be declared due to the technical problems. [3] 2601:447:4100:C120:9904:D520:EFA1:D5D0 ( talk) 01:06, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
References
Incomplete results seem to be appearing in various websites for the national delegates. Could we add a reference for these results before adding them in the article? What is the mechanism to announce final national delegate results? I have seen various numbers here, but none add up to 41. Homo logos ( talk) 19:15, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
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Pete Buttigieg has NOT explicitly claimed an electoral victory with regards to his internal data.
The internal data released by the Bernie Sanders campaign includes the tally of his own votes and delegate share along with those of the other candidates which shows him winning.
The only data released by the Buttigieg campaign are his own numbers. This absolutely does not “show him winning” as is erroneously claimed in the Results section of the page. (If anything, it raises some suspicions).
I recommend the line
“During the delay in the release of final results, the campaigns of Pete Buttigieg and Bernie Sanders... ...that Klobuchar either exceeded or equaled the number of votes that Joe Biden received.”
be replaced by something by the lines of
“During the delay in the release of final results, the campaigns of Pete Buttigieg and Bernie Sanders both released incomplete results taken by their respective precinct captains, respectively showing a higher-than-projected vote share for Buttigieg and an electoral win for Sanders, leading both to claim victory. Also during the delay, Amy Klobuchar's campaign manager, Justin Buoen, claimed that Klobuchar either exceeded or equaled the number of votes that Joe Biden received.”
GGLLFFP ( talk) 04:55, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
"During the delay in the release of final results, the campaigns of Pete Buttigieg and Bernie Sanders both released incomplete results taken by their respective precinct captains, the former publishing his own numbers and the latter those of the entire field."
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I would like to update the photo on search results to be the popular vote count winner, Bernie Sanders. Zbassham ( talk) 00:07, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
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In the polling section, the Data for Progress poll contains a note that Data for Progress endorsed Elizabeth Warren. This is not accurate, Data for Progress has not and will not endorse in the race. Please remove this reference as it is incorrect. Jasnonaz ( talk) 23:36, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
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Sounds like elections out of Honduras or something. America is not a democracy at all. AHC300 ( talk) 07:41, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
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Change "Do to inconsistencies" to "Due to inconsistencies" located in the first line under the "Results" sub header. kthxbai 162.119.128.140 ( talk) 11:15, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74sEuNa1Pzg Globepedia ( talk) 06:13, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
What should be done about this should it happen? Arglebargle79 ( talk) 19:51, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
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Please add presidential candidate Andrew Yang. NinetyTwo222 ( talk) 06:10, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Hi,
What should the ordering be for the candidates in the infobox? I think it should be alphabetical, personally. There aren't any verified results, as of yet (apparently): [1]. David O. Johnson ( talk) 06:57, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
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Please add the following after Biden's headshot: 172.116.227.1 ( talk) 06:05, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
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Meep?) 17:55, 4 February 2020 (UTC)Hi,
I've seen at least five IPs add something about rigging the caucuses against Bernie to the intro, in addition to a few IPs adding Yang to the infobox. What do you all think of limiting the editing to only autoconfirmed users on this article? David O. Johnson ( talk) 06:00, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
The results that is shown right now can be fake. Or at least not accurate. Delete them until there is official numbers. Is what I strongly suggest. Mats33 ( talk) 22:07, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
In the "Delay in Final Results section", it was mentioned that Pete Buttigieg's and Joe Biden's campaigns contributed money to Shadow Inc. This may give off the impression that these were the only two campaigns involved, while Kirsten Gillibrand's (now defunct) campaign as well as the Texas, Wisconsin, and Nevada state democratic parties also contributed. [1] This may or may not be necessary, but with the many conspiracy theories floating around, I think it may be important to limit any misrepresentation that may occur. 152.228.60.59 ( talk) 18:34, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
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Add Yang back in Marielv06 ( talk) 03:05, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
I had assumed that Biden's picture was the one that appeared in previews, at the top of the mobile version, etc. because it was the first picture in the article, which it was because he had the highest polling average, or he was the alphabetically-first 'major major' candidate, or something reasonable; however, now the pictures are ordered by delegates and ones with the same numbers of delegates are ordered by popular vote (which is definitely how they should be), which puts Buttigieg first, but Biden's face is still the one I'm seeing in big at the top on mobile. Why is that then, and how do we fix it? Adam Dent ( talk) 06:07, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Why is the preview image (the image you see when you mouse over the article name on another article) the picture of Biden??? I mean, he certainly did not win... 123popos123 ( talk) 11:29, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
How are the percentages of delegates different if they have the same number? Anguswalker ( talk) 13:47, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Will be content, when the DNC is releases the entire numbers, so we can stop with the switching back & forth of the top two candidates. GoodDay ( talk) 16:33, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
When you hover on "SDE" in the two places it appears in the infobox, it incorrectly displays "District and State Delegates". That is not what it stands for. It stands for "State Delegate Equivalents". This error is also made in the body of the article, in the "Procedure" section; it says, "...they will go to their local county convention on March 21, 2020, to choose 2,107 District and State Delegates (SDE) for the district conventions on April 25..." All other mentions of SDE in the article correctly state that it stands for "State Delegate Equivalents". 2605:A000:FFC0:D8:18AE:9870:D055:58D9 ( talk) 14:12, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
At the moment, Pete Buttigieg is listed before Bernie Sanders in the election infobox despite getting less votes. Is there another order in use here or should they be swapped? Or are the numbers still being disputed?-- Furbybrain ( talk) 11:40, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Please refer to the earlier discussion. Thanks. Smith0124 ( talk) 13:31, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
I ask for sources to back the popular vote % - Centrist1 ( talk) 14:34, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
It should be more clear that we don't know how many delegates they'll have until they are fully counted and we don't know who is in the lead. Listing Pete as the apparent winner when there are 9 unpledged delegates could unethically affect the election.
Paragraph 2 refers to ex-Hilary Clinton. Um, how was that again??? Ptilinopus ( talk) 09:17, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
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Bold Pete Buttigieg's SDE count and percentage and then bold Bernie Sanders' popular vote percentage 67.70.35.48 ( talk) 15:41, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
The delayed announcement of results may have an impact on:
-- Artaxerxes ( talk) 16:57, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Also Hillary Clinton as the company that made the app, Shadow, was started by her campaign. Smith0124 ( talk) 17:01, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
I believe that Andrew Yang should be included. He got some SDEs and there’s a missing spot on the infobox. Thoughts? Smith0124 ( talk) 15:46, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Cool, I’m glad we sorted that out. I feel that if we don’t include Yang, we shouldn’t include Klobuchar either for the same reasons. Smith0124 ( talk) 16:07, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Fair enough. Everyone else hates the compromise anyway. Smith0124 ( talk) 18:22, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
I know this hasn't been possible in this past, because the DNC literally did not release these numbers. But now that we have them, I feel like they are relevant, especially considering we may see a razor thin margin between Sanders and Buttigieg based on delegate allocation but a different gap in raw vote totals. Is this something that's possible? It would make it all seem more transparent, in any case, and can only add relevant information.
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I think we should, not sure how to do it. The template won't show those numbers. Smith0124 ( talk) 06:27, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
The delegates and the % shouldn’t be together, it should be in different parts, they are not the same thing. - Centrist1 ( talk) 07:07, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
The infobox was showing the total final alignment votes, along with % SDEs. This is absurd as the percentages didn't match up with any previous stat. I don't think the infobox should show anything other than the delegates, as previous years have done. Things like numbers and percentages for first alignment vote, final alignment vote, SDEs... are aspects of the caucus process which can be found in the article, but the only number which is now relevant as the result of the caucus is the delegates. The infobox should only have delegates and, when all have been allocated, the percentage of those delegates for each candidate. Wikiditm ( talk) 07:52, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for starting this discussion; I actually started to type up a similar request a bit before you posted this but was distracted for a few hours. Nice to come back and see that someone else posted about it anyway! Master of Time (talk) 09:13, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
I don't think we should include vote percentages (and probably not raw vote counts either) in the infobox. It clutters and confuses the summary, and votes are not determinant of who wins the caucuses. 2016 Iowa Democratic caucuses is probably a good model to follow. - Mr X 🖋 13:30, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
I agree, it’s actually important enough for the Democrats to change their ways and actually report it this time. Smith0124 ( talk) 13:53, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to participate in the RfC below to determine if there is consensus to include this information. [[#RfC: Should the popular vote statistics be included in the infobox?|]] - Mr X 🖋 15:11, 6 February 2020 (UTC) Why are you calling the final alignment vote the popular vote? Should not that be the vote that reflects the popular will? If the second alignment vote totals where the same there might be some reasoning behind that, but now the second total is lower, so you are essentially hiding the votes of those people that left the caucus by calling the second alignment the popular vote. As a election officer from the Swedish parlamentary elections I find this severely disturbing. /Michel Rowinski — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.177.48.22 ( talk) 22:15, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Should The Green Papers estimates for pledged delegates be used in place of those from major sources like the New York Times?
See [8] [9] [10] for examples. - Mr X 🖋 18:22, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Should the popular vote in the infobox list the Initial or Final alignments? (It is currently showing final alignment.) I would think initial alignment would be a more accurate "popular vote" as it is what people voted by default. Nixinova T C 02:34, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
@ TheNavigatrr: Hi, could you change Buttigieg's color, using "#f2ba42", decided on the 2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries article's talk page? Thank you :) -- Nick.mon ( talk) 10:17, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
I don't know if there's any specific way Wikipedia editors come up with colors for various candidates. In advance, I'd just like to suggest some colors that I think .svg maps of the caucuses should use.
I chose the color purple to represent his connections with the Obama administration (whose 2008 primary run was colored a lighter purple). I also picked it because blue is commonly a color of conservatism, and Biden definitely represents the right-wing of the Democratic Party (in 2020 at least).
Green for Bernie because that was what he used in 2016.
Red for Warren because of her more left-wing, labor stances. Also because it looks good. The rest were less thought out, but I still think they "fit" the candidates pretty well.
... and, just in case,
I've made a few sample maps where the colors are forced to interact with one another (
see this link to a fake 2020 NY Primary), and they look really good in my opinion! Hopefully whoever makes the eventual .svg file will consider using these colors. Thanks! :)
Beccabecco –(
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The thing that really matters is who wins the national delegates, those are the ones who vote for president. That's the first thing that comes up on a google search when you do Iowa results 2020. So why is this not on the results on the top of this page? AHC300 ( talk) 14:41, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
Many people come to this article for reputable data related to delegate counts. I don't think that it's appropriate to bold or highlight vote totals that have been publicly debated and critiqued for being fundamentally flawed to to the most basic errors, from coin flips to row switches in Excel. Keeping these edits published here further misleads and confuses the public as to what the true counts are, which not even the Iowa Democratic Party knows.
The solution I propose is removing bolding and highlighting for vote totals and percentages. Buffaboy talk 04:12, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
Only the chart itself should be transcluded. Half the article is now on the results page. Arglebargle79 ( talk) 15:20, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
I submit that the natural order to present the candidates while there are no official results on delegates is through the popular vote. Homo logos ( talk) 08:05, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
In U.S., red is usually for more conservative candidates. I find it weird to choose blue for Biden and Red for Warren. That seems backwards. Buttigieg and Sanders have good colors. But what is up with pink for Klobushar? --- C& C ( Coffeeandcrumbs) 01:15, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
May I suggest:
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Klobuchar uses green in much of her campaign imagery, and Pete uses yellow. Fitting to have those colors assigned respectively. Perathian ( talk) 14:33, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
Candidate colors should be consistent across all Wikipedia articles on this subject. This issue was discussed on the talk page for the main Democratic primary article, most recently at Archive 7. I suggest that any further discussion be moved to Talk:2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries before any changes are made here. -- Spiffy sperry ( talk) 22:02, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
I strongly am against changing the colors again from the ones agreed on and used presently unless there is something wrong with them; and furthermore it has already been discussed multiple times before that choosing colors for candidates based on how you perceive their policies to be, or how you perceive them personally; ie, red=more conservative=bloomberg, or red=left wing=sanders (see main talk page archive 3) or as someone once suggested on archive 7, purple/pink=gay=buttigieg (!!!), constitutes WP:OR. The colors used presently don't really have any problems other than that some here have had trouble identifying colors with candidates or have a dislike of yellow; compare to Ted Cruz in the 2016 Republican Party presidential primaries map where yellow is used and it looks great. Additionally, the current colors were picked specifically with color-blind accessibility in mind, and undoing that is very unnecessary. Cookieo131 ( talk) 02:40, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
I like Pete's new colour, slightly less pukey looking. By the way Amy is man enough to wear pink. (I linked to the reservoir dogs scene to highlight how stupid this whole discussion is). MaxBrowne2 ( talk) 11:44, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
Shadow Inc. was launched by ACRONYM, a nonprofit corporation founded in 2017 by Tara McGowan, a political strategist who runs companies aimed at promoting Democratic candidates and priorities. McGowan, 34, is married to Michael Halle, a senior strategist for Pete Buttigieg’s presidential campaign, which records show has also paid Shadow Inc. $42,500 for software.
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link)I believe some mention of Tara McGowan's link to Buttigieg should be made. -- David Tornheim ( talk) 07:32, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
Changes to my comment in italics
Hello all,
Just looked at this source:
https://apnews.com/afs:Content:8464590602
It disputes that Buttigieg paid for the creation of the app. It does not dispute that he paid the company that made the app. Specifically, it claims he did pay the company that made the app. This wiki claims it has been debunked that Buttigieg paid the app.
In summary, it would appear based on the source the Butigieg did not pay for the app itself, but paid the company that made the app. In my opinion, this needs to be pointed out.
Just a heads up. I have never commented on this site before so let me know if I'm breaking any rules.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:fcc8:ad81:6500:d56:a81c:e1a3:500f ( talk • contribs) 17:50, February 7, 2020 (UTC)
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The results are yet to be known with a thin razor margin separating the two leading candidates, with Sanders in the lead with the popular vote, and Buttigieg in the lead with the SDEs although the New York Times predict a Sanders victory overall with 97% in [1]
The Associated Press cannot declare a winner. Please include this.
The results are yet to be known with a thin razor margin separating the two leading candidates, with Sanders in the lead with the popular vote, and Buttigieg in the lead with the SDEs although the New York Times predict a Sanders victory overall with 97% in [2] However, the Assoicated Press reported on February 6 that no winner can be declared due to the technical problems. [3] 2601:447:4100:C120:9904:D520:EFA1:D5D0 ( talk) 01:06, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
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Incomplete results seem to be appearing in various websites for the national delegates. Could we add a reference for these results before adding them in the article? What is the mechanism to announce final national delegate results? I have seen various numbers here, but none add up to 41. Homo logos ( talk) 19:15, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
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Pete Buttigieg has NOT explicitly claimed an electoral victory with regards to his internal data.
The internal data released by the Bernie Sanders campaign includes the tally of his own votes and delegate share along with those of the other candidates which shows him winning.
The only data released by the Buttigieg campaign are his own numbers. This absolutely does not “show him winning” as is erroneously claimed in the Results section of the page. (If anything, it raises some suspicions).
I recommend the line
“During the delay in the release of final results, the campaigns of Pete Buttigieg and Bernie Sanders... ...that Klobuchar either exceeded or equaled the number of votes that Joe Biden received.”
be replaced by something by the lines of
“During the delay in the release of final results, the campaigns of Pete Buttigieg and Bernie Sanders both released incomplete results taken by their respective precinct captains, respectively showing a higher-than-projected vote share for Buttigieg and an electoral win for Sanders, leading both to claim victory. Also during the delay, Amy Klobuchar's campaign manager, Justin Buoen, claimed that Klobuchar either exceeded or equaled the number of votes that Joe Biden received.”
GGLLFFP ( talk) 04:55, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
"During the delay in the release of final results, the campaigns of Pete Buttigieg and Bernie Sanders both released incomplete results taken by their respective precinct captains, the former publishing his own numbers and the latter those of the entire field."
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I would like to update the photo on search results to be the popular vote count winner, Bernie Sanders. Zbassham ( talk) 00:07, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
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In the polling section, the Data for Progress poll contains a note that Data for Progress endorsed Elizabeth Warren. This is not accurate, Data for Progress has not and will not endorse in the race. Please remove this reference as it is incorrect. Jasnonaz ( talk) 23:36, 7 February 2020 (UTC)