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The other article indulges even more in original research such as the title itself and includes copyrighted images -- Tayi Arajakate Talk 09:18, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- Coyrighted Images will be deleted after the required process. The article there is in much better state than this one. Also, most reliable sources are calling this a 'riot'. Even if this page survive the deletion process, the page be will renamed to '2020 Bengaluru riot'. Please free to remove any
WP:OR there. Thank you -
BhaskaraPattelar (
talk) 10:30, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- That article is certainly not in a much better state considering most of it is a mixture of original research or unsourced material. Though now that I see it, you are partly correct that some reliable sources do call it a riot but regardlessly most don't. In any case due to this, the article neither qualifies for prod or csd, and would require a RfC for the issue of naming.
- Note: Most of them quote officials referring to the incident as a riot but don't themselves call it so.
- In addition, "2020 Bengaluru violence" and "2020 Bangalore violence" yields 9.16 million and 9.33 million results respectively while "2020 Bengaluru riots" and "2020 Bangalore riots" yields 0.7 million and 1.66 million results respectively in comparison. Tayi Arajakate Talk 12:13, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Articles with significant coverage Publications Terminology used Riot-hit areas of Bengaluru's Pulakeshinagar resemble war zone Times of India Riot Bangalore riots: India's tech city sees deadly violence over anti-Islam Facebook post DW News Riot Bengaluru violence: Three dead, over 50 cops injured; CRPF deployed to affected areas Indian Express Riot/Violence Congress, BJP, JD(S) condemn Bengaluru riots, say they were planned Deccan Herald Riot Bengaluru riots were planned, will recover damages from rioters: Karnataka govt India Today Riot How two police stations in Bengaluru became targets of mob violence on Tuesday night The News Minute Riot - they use 'riot' and 'riot-like' here Bengaluru mob violence: BJP blames ‘appeasement politics’, SDPI leader arrested The Week Riot
- That said, I am not surprised by the usage of 'violence' to describe this situation, it's after all a more general word than 'riot'.
- Merriam-webster decribes riot as "a violent public disorder".
- Cambridge describe riot as "an occasion when a large number of people behave in a noisy, violent, and uncontrolled way in public, often as a protest"
- So, even this event is clearly a riot by any definition. Also, searching violence and riot on google will result in more hits in favour of violence since violence is a more general term. - BhaskaraPattelar ( talk) 13:17, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- That said, I am not surprised by the usage of 'violence' to describe this situation, it's after all a more general word than 'riot'.
Either of the terms can be used here so it is irrelevant if this can be defined as a riot of not, such a personal conclusion without any secondary sources would be original research anyways. The article title depends on the guidelines of WP:COMMONNAME according to which the "the name that is most commonly used as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources" should be used.
As for the analysis, that's a rather poor one isn't it? For instance, the only time The Week article uses the term riot is while quoting Yediyurappa or the government and itself repeatedly refering to it as "Tuesday night's violence", The News Minute only uses the term riot-like situation once and otherwise repeatedly describes it as "Bengaluru violence", "mob violence", etc, lastly that Indian Express article does not make any mention of the term riot at all in its body (headlines unsupported in the body aren't reliable, see Wikipedia:Headlines). The Deccan Hearld article is a compilation of quotes and reactions to the incidents by political parties, not the actual article of the story ( Bengaluru MLA's house attacked by mob over Facebook post; three dead, two injured; linked in the very article) which in fact makes no use of the term riot. The Times of India article is also a patchwork of quotes which doesn't really call it anything other than in the headlines, it should in any case be avoided as a source in contentious areas.
In any case I've updated the above chart to include the new sources you've presented here which are relevant. Tayi Arajakate Talk 14:28, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- This page should not be speedily but redirected if "riot" is more appropriate than "violence". There's also a pending merger discussion. I have no opinion on what is appropriate, reliable sources are using both "violence" and "riot". -- Signature 10:41, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: For all users which were involved in the discussion, I suggested to discuss it in
Talk:2020 Bangalore Riots because there are a requested move regarding which the title of the article. I believe these RM initially a technical requested, but now because it will be controversial I tell all editors to discuss argument in that talk page.
182.1.10.173 (
talk) 14:31, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- For now I suggest speedy merging and redirecting this article (which is smaller) into the
2020 Bangalore riots and then discussing the naming.
Tayi Arajakate,
BhaskaraPattelar, you are right, though, we should have an RfC for the naming.
SerChevalerie (
talk) 15:26, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
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SerChevalerie, Yeah, looking at that page, it's gotten worse. I'll just merge this into that for the time being.
Tayi Arajakate
Talk 15:29, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
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Tayi Arajakate, move this conversation to that talk page.
SerChevalerie (
talk) 15:30, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- SerChevalerie, BhaskaraPattelar, Eatcha, I've opened up an RfC on the 2020 Bangalore riots page. Tayi Arajakate Talk 16:10, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
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Tayi Arajakate, move this conversation to that talk page.
SerChevalerie (
talk) 15:30, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
-
SerChevalerie, Yeah, looking at that page, it's gotten worse. I'll just merge this into that for the time being.
Tayi Arajakate
Talk 15:29, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- For now I suggest speedy merging and redirecting this article (which is smaller) into the
2020 Bangalore riots and then discussing the naming.
Tayi Arajakate,
BhaskaraPattelar, you are right, though, we should have an RfC for the naming.
SerChevalerie (
talk) 15:26, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
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The other article indulges even more in original research such as the title itself and includes copyrighted images -- Tayi Arajakate Talk 09:18, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- Coyrighted Images will be deleted after the required process. The article there is in much better state than this one. Also, most reliable sources are calling this a 'riot'. Even if this page survive the deletion process, the page be will renamed to '2020 Bengaluru riot'. Please free to remove any
WP:OR there. Thank you -
BhaskaraPattelar (
talk) 10:30, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- That article is certainly not in a much better state considering most of it is a mixture of original research or unsourced material. Though now that I see it, you are partly correct that some reliable sources do call it a riot but regardlessly most don't. In any case due to this, the article neither qualifies for prod or csd, and would require a RfC for the issue of naming.
- Note: Most of them quote officials referring to the incident as a riot but don't themselves call it so.
- In addition, "2020 Bengaluru violence" and "2020 Bangalore violence" yields 9.16 million and 9.33 million results respectively while "2020 Bengaluru riots" and "2020 Bangalore riots" yields 0.7 million and 1.66 million results respectively in comparison. Tayi Arajakate Talk 12:13, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Articles with significant coverage Publications Terminology used Riot-hit areas of Bengaluru's Pulakeshinagar resemble war zone Times of India Riot Bangalore riots: India's tech city sees deadly violence over anti-Islam Facebook post DW News Riot Bengaluru violence: Three dead, over 50 cops injured; CRPF deployed to affected areas Indian Express Riot/Violence Congress, BJP, JD(S) condemn Bengaluru riots, say they were planned Deccan Herald Riot Bengaluru riots were planned, will recover damages from rioters: Karnataka govt India Today Riot How two police stations in Bengaluru became targets of mob violence on Tuesday night The News Minute Riot - they use 'riot' and 'riot-like' here Bengaluru mob violence: BJP blames ‘appeasement politics’, SDPI leader arrested The Week Riot
- That said, I am not surprised by the usage of 'violence' to describe this situation, it's after all a more general word than 'riot'.
- Merriam-webster decribes riot as "a violent public disorder".
- Cambridge describe riot as "an occasion when a large number of people behave in a noisy, violent, and uncontrolled way in public, often as a protest"
- So, even this event is clearly a riot by any definition. Also, searching violence and riot on google will result in more hits in favour of violence since violence is a more general term. - BhaskaraPattelar ( talk) 13:17, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- That said, I am not surprised by the usage of 'violence' to describe this situation, it's after all a more general word than 'riot'.
Either of the terms can be used here so it is irrelevant if this can be defined as a riot of not, such a personal conclusion without any secondary sources would be original research anyways. The article title depends on the guidelines of WP:COMMONNAME according to which the "the name that is most commonly used as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources" should be used.
As for the analysis, that's a rather poor one isn't it? For instance, the only time The Week article uses the term riot is while quoting Yediyurappa or the government and itself repeatedly refering to it as "Tuesday night's violence", The News Minute only uses the term riot-like situation once and otherwise repeatedly describes it as "Bengaluru violence", "mob violence", etc, lastly that Indian Express article does not make any mention of the term riot at all in its body (headlines unsupported in the body aren't reliable, see Wikipedia:Headlines). The Deccan Hearld article is a compilation of quotes and reactions to the incidents by political parties, not the actual article of the story ( Bengaluru MLA's house attacked by mob over Facebook post; three dead, two injured; linked in the very article) which in fact makes no use of the term riot. The Times of India article is also a patchwork of quotes which doesn't really call it anything other than in the headlines, it should in any case be avoided as a source in contentious areas.
In any case I've updated the above chart to include the new sources you've presented here which are relevant. Tayi Arajakate Talk 14:28, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- This page should not be speedily but redirected if "riot" is more appropriate than "violence". There's also a pending merger discussion. I have no opinion on what is appropriate, reliable sources are using both "violence" and "riot". -- Signature 10:41, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: For all users which were involved in the discussion, I suggested to discuss it in
Talk:2020 Bangalore Riots because there are a requested move regarding which the title of the article. I believe these RM initially a technical requested, but now because it will be controversial I tell all editors to discuss argument in that talk page.
182.1.10.173 (
talk) 14:31, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- For now I suggest speedy merging and redirecting this article (which is smaller) into the
2020 Bangalore riots and then discussing the naming.
Tayi Arajakate,
BhaskaraPattelar, you are right, though, we should have an RfC for the naming.
SerChevalerie (
talk) 15:26, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
-
SerChevalerie, Yeah, looking at that page, it's gotten worse. I'll just merge this into that for the time being.
Tayi Arajakate
Talk 15:29, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
-
Tayi Arajakate, move this conversation to that talk page.
SerChevalerie (
talk) 15:30, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- SerChevalerie, BhaskaraPattelar, Eatcha, I've opened up an RfC on the 2020 Bangalore riots page. Tayi Arajakate Talk 16:10, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
-
Tayi Arajakate, move this conversation to that talk page.
SerChevalerie (
talk) 15:30, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
-
SerChevalerie, Yeah, looking at that page, it's gotten worse. I'll just merge this into that for the time being.
Tayi Arajakate
Talk 15:29, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- For now I suggest speedy merging and redirecting this article (which is smaller) into the
2020 Bangalore riots and then discussing the naming.
Tayi Arajakate,
BhaskaraPattelar, you are right, though, we should have an RfC for the naming.
SerChevalerie (
talk) 15:26, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:2020 Bangalore riots which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 18:07, 12 August 2020 (UTC)