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Stuart Scheller was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 25 September 2021 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into 2020–2021 U.S. troop withdrawal from Afghanistan. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here. |
Good morning Juno, just want to make sure you're aware of Withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan. Do you think we need a separate article for events in 2021? -- Cerebellum ( talk) 10:34, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
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– I am requesting a move of several articles that will reduce the number of words, avoid the use of an acronym, and fall in line with the names of other articles involving US withdrawal, such as:
If those articles were not enough for examples, there is a related article entitled Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan, which is not entitled Withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan. I think this move would be sensible, but since several articles are involved, I think a discussion is necessary before taking action. Jay Coop · Talk · Contributions 21:36, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
If the Department of Defense ends up keeping 950 troops in Afghanistan they have not actually withdrawn from the country and this article should refelect that. 136.33.177.173 ( talk) 05:31, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:
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I've created a page for the ongoing civilian evacuation operation. I'll let others decide if that merits an article on it's own or should be merged and expanded as a section to this article. It looks like historically, the civilian evacuation operations of a military withdrawal have been notable on their own (refer to the See Also on that page for a few examples). The article is currently a draft: Draft:Operation Allies Rescue. If it is approved I suggest adding a new header here such as"2.3 Civilian evacuation" and linking that operation there. _ morde t .. 04:42, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
2021 NATO withdrawal from Afghanistan— Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.112.165.59 ( talk) 03:18, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Afghan withdrawal. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 August 24#Afghan withdrawal until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. -- Tamzin cetacean needed (she/they) 23:14, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Stuart Scheller. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 October 10#Stuart Scheller until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Elli ( talk | contribs) 03:41, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
The section indicates Mr Scheller was "asking for his superiors to take responsibility for murdering innocents for profit" - the usage of the word profit here is questionable. There are, of course, various mechanisms by which someone can profit from an action (success itself being one). However the first hand usage would imply monetary or other form of corruption which I don't believe, and the references don't indicate, was an accusation Scheller was making? Should this be reworded? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C8:8988:4601:D441:54CC:4989:5833 ( talk) 10:54, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
The reaction section contains two headings - "Domestic" and "International". For the "Domestic" section, given that there are probably three locations at play - that of the reader, the USA and Afghanistan, would it not be better, given the section's content for this to say "USA" or "United States" rather than "Domestic"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C8:8988:4601:D441:54CC:4989:5833 ( talk) 10:57, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I propose merging U.S. Forces Afghanistan Forward into Withdrawal of United States troops from Afghanistan (2020–2021). I think the content in the former can easily be explained in the context of latter, and a merger would not cause any article-size or weighting problems in latter. Phillip Samuel ( talk) 07:06, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
It has been reported that because of the hasty withdrawal, "billions" worth of equipment was left behind and there have been calls for better accounting of military assets related to withdrawals. Should this be added to the main page with it's own section? Tepkunset ( talk) 18:15, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestion RopeTricks, I think it is great idea! Tepkunset ( talk) 15:44, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
How about... Equipment Loss Reports have been made by a US Senator, and former Afghanistan war veteran, Jim Banks that because of the withdrawal the Taliban now have access to over $85 billion worth of US equipment. Including 75,000 vehicles, over 200 airplanes and helicopters , 600,000 small arms and light weapons [1]. A more detailed breakdown can be found on the 2021 Taliban offensive#Equipment losses page. Tepkunset ( talk) 17:31, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
This entire page has been hijacked. It has a Neo-con point of view, and is mostly opinions and not facts. Unsupported statements by a politician should not be a source. The equipment left behind was provided to the Afghan government to protect their people. The Afghan Army simply quit, and the Taliban took all the equipment. The value of the equipment needs to be verified by an independent non-political source. Most of the equipment could not be evacuated anyway, because Afghanistan is a land locked country surrounded by countries hostile to the Western nations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.39.110.90 ( talk) 17:32, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
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Events in Afghanistan continue to unfold. While the Taliban made commitments regarding ruling in exchange for unfreezing their assets they have reneged on many of these pledges. LGBT and women in particular have suffered greatly over the decision to remove all support for the Ghani government and the Taliban’s rise to power. These events are a direct result of the decision to remove American troops and shouldn’t there be mention of the subsequent happenings since August 2021? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.233.44 ( talk) 04:06, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
It was Taliban victory similar to how the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan was a Mujahideen victory. Behsbsue ( talk) 19:05, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
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The contents of the US Forces Afghanistan Forward page were merged into 2020–2021 U.S. troop withdrawal from Afghanistan on 14 August 2022. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page. |
Stuart Scheller was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 25 September 2021 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into 2020–2021 U.S. troop withdrawal from Afghanistan. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here. |
Good morning Juno, just want to make sure you're aware of Withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan. Do you think we need a separate article for events in 2021? -- Cerebellum ( talk) 10:34, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
It was proposed in this section that multiple pages be
renamed and moved.
result: Links:
current log •
target log
This is template {{
subst:Requested move/end}} |
– I am requesting a move of several articles that will reduce the number of words, avoid the use of an acronym, and fall in line with the names of other articles involving US withdrawal, such as:
If those articles were not enough for examples, there is a related article entitled Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan, which is not entitled Withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan. I think this move would be sensible, but since several articles are involved, I think a discussion is necessary before taking action. Jay Coop · Talk · Contributions 21:36, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
If the Department of Defense ends up keeping 950 troops in Afghanistan they have not actually withdrawn from the country and this article should refelect that. 136.33.177.173 ( talk) 05:31, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:
You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 20:24, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
I've created a page for the ongoing civilian evacuation operation. I'll let others decide if that merits an article on it's own or should be merged and expanded as a section to this article. It looks like historically, the civilian evacuation operations of a military withdrawal have been notable on their own (refer to the See Also on that page for a few examples). The article is currently a draft: Draft:Operation Allies Rescue. If it is approved I suggest adding a new header here such as"2.3 Civilian evacuation" and linking that operation there. _ morde t .. 04:42, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
2021 NATO withdrawal from Afghanistan— Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.112.165.59 ( talk) 03:18, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Afghan withdrawal. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 August 24#Afghan withdrawal until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. -- Tamzin cetacean needed (she/they) 23:14, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Stuart Scheller. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 October 10#Stuart Scheller until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Elli ( talk | contribs) 03:41, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
The section indicates Mr Scheller was "asking for his superiors to take responsibility for murdering innocents for profit" - the usage of the word profit here is questionable. There are, of course, various mechanisms by which someone can profit from an action (success itself being one). However the first hand usage would imply monetary or other form of corruption which I don't believe, and the references don't indicate, was an accusation Scheller was making? Should this be reworded? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C8:8988:4601:D441:54CC:4989:5833 ( talk) 10:54, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
The reaction section contains two headings - "Domestic" and "International". For the "Domestic" section, given that there are probably three locations at play - that of the reader, the USA and Afghanistan, would it not be better, given the section's content for this to say "USA" or "United States" rather than "Domestic"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C8:8988:4601:D441:54CC:4989:5833 ( talk) 10:57, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I propose merging U.S. Forces Afghanistan Forward into Withdrawal of United States troops from Afghanistan (2020–2021). I think the content in the former can easily be explained in the context of latter, and a merger would not cause any article-size or weighting problems in latter. Phillip Samuel ( talk) 07:06, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
It has been reported that because of the hasty withdrawal, "billions" worth of equipment was left behind and there have been calls for better accounting of military assets related to withdrawals. Should this be added to the main page with it's own section? Tepkunset ( talk) 18:15, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestion RopeTricks, I think it is great idea! Tepkunset ( talk) 15:44, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
How about... Equipment Loss Reports have been made by a US Senator, and former Afghanistan war veteran, Jim Banks that because of the withdrawal the Taliban now have access to over $85 billion worth of US equipment. Including 75,000 vehicles, over 200 airplanes and helicopters , 600,000 small arms and light weapons [1]. A more detailed breakdown can be found on the 2021 Taliban offensive#Equipment losses page. Tepkunset ( talk) 17:31, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
This entire page has been hijacked. It has a Neo-con point of view, and is mostly opinions and not facts. Unsupported statements by a politician should not be a source. The equipment left behind was provided to the Afghan government to protect their people. The Afghan Army simply quit, and the Taliban took all the equipment. The value of the equipment needs to be verified by an independent non-political source. Most of the equipment could not be evacuated anyway, because Afghanistan is a land locked country surrounded by countries hostile to the Western nations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.39.110.90 ( talk) 17:32, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
References
Events in Afghanistan continue to unfold. While the Taliban made commitments regarding ruling in exchange for unfreezing their assets they have reneged on many of these pledges. LGBT and women in particular have suffered greatly over the decision to remove all support for the Ghani government and the Taliban’s rise to power. These events are a direct result of the decision to remove American troops and shouldn’t there be mention of the subsequent happenings since August 2021? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.233.44 ( talk) 04:06, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
It was Taliban victory similar to how the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan was a Mujahideen victory. Behsbsue ( talk) 19:05, 10 October 2023 (UTC)