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Just to clarify because the source is in Spanish. Basically they are saying that due to the results registered in the US Open, they are now qualified to the Masters Cup. I think they imply that it is now mathematically not possible for them to fall off the top 20. -- Scuac ( talk) 13:49, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
I have added a good deal of text, pics, and references, reviewing the qualifications of each player and team, and some lines about Nadal and Erlich's withdrawals. When the tournament will start, I'll start a Review section for the singles and the doubles, written in the same fashion as the Day by day accounts of the Grand Slam articles of this year. The goal is to bring the article to GA, and, why not, FA status after it is finished (my reference being FA sport articles like 2005 United States Grand Prix or 2008 Orange Bowl).
About the pictures: Wikipedia Commons is not full with 2008 pictures of tennis players, and there are even less tennis doubles pictures available – and I realize that the del Potro and Nestor pics date from 2007, but it's better than nothing. It is probably foolish to expect pictures from the actual tournament will pop up, considering there are none for the previous editions, but if new photos (of del Potro, Murray, Tsonga, Zimonjic, the Bryans & al.) could be uploaded, it would probably be a valuable addition for the article.
-- Oxford St. ( talk) 21:02, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
It is very good text, but I don't know why put pictures? What that pictures have with the 2008 Tennis Masters Cup? -- Göran S ( talk) 21:18, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
A quality body of prose for a year-end tournament, quite a turn up...and I think old photos are okay (maybe even preferable if of a better quality) in any sort of qualification/background section. Do the ATP now archive their links? I remember having problems accessing old stories a while back.
I would like to do something similar (elevating to GA or FA) with 2008 U.S. Open (tennis) article at some point; I realize it has its problems, but the (re)sources are there. Yohan euan o4 ( talk) 13:22, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Sunday: I've added another section about the singles alternates (I'm not sure who are the doubles alternates yet), and I have started the Competition/Day by day section, which I intend to separate, like the individual draw pages in two sections: Round robin and Finals. The trick now is to find pictures of the actual tournament - these are the first I spotted on Flickr, but only one or two photos could be used, and you frankly can't see the players (and of course the author would have to agree to relicensing). -- Oxford St. ( talk) 19:51, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
These are things that I will put in to be clarified while I make some copy-edits. Dabomb87 ( talk) 22:26, 17 November 2008 (UTC) Let me propose some clarifications: -- Oxford St. ( talk) 12:26, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
One thing that will need to change is that the references will need to be in one of the {{citation}} formats, either {{citation}}, {{cite web}}, {{cite news}}, {{cite book}}, etc.-- User:2008Olympian chitchat seemywork 01:11, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
1. {{cite news}} is for newspapers, {{cite web}} is for websites.
2. "Author" refers to an actual person, not the website that it comes from, that would fill the "work" category.--
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Firstly, let me say that I am very impressed with this article you've written here, and I think it deserves to become our first tournament GA/FA. Best of luck with that.
But I feel that there's something that needs to be addressed here, namely, how content is split between a tournament article and its event articles (so in this case, between 2008 Tennis Masters Cup and 2008 Tennis Masters Cup - Singles/ 2008 Tennis Masters Cup - Doubles). Precedent seems consistently to be to put all description of proceedings in the tournament article, and then leave the event articles as just seedings/draws. As a result, the event articles seem to me to be more like Lists at the moment. Do you think that, with a little bit of summary added to the event articles, we could get them to FL status? And have them refer to the tournament article via a hat-tip, for a full description of proceedings - rst20xx ( talk) 13:50, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, Dabomb87 says on his talk page we should split the article, Yohan euan o4 thinks we shouldn't though the article is indeed quite long, Rst20xx would favor a reorganization, but highlights the fact that subarticles would be themselves too long - I guess the best thing would be to wait for the GA review, or the FA review, and see what is advised from editors outside the Tennis Project. -- Oxford St. ( talk) 15:30, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I'll be reviewing this. Before I go further, congratulations on producing such an attractive and thorough article so soon after the event.
I'll follow my usual approach of dealing with "high-level" issues like coverage and structure before the nitty-gritty, and leave the lead until any issues wiht the main content have been resolved. -- Philcha ( talk) 11:07, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
I see some discussion at Talk:2008 Tennis Masters Cup of which details should go in which articles, the other articles concerned being 2008 Tennis Masters Cup - Singles and 2008 Tennis Masters Cup - Doubles. I do not regard the "What should go in what article" debate as evidence of an edit war, since the tone of all participants is reasonable and friendly, and they all concerned with how best to present the subject than with POV-pushing (PS don't get wound up about this, it simply deals with the "no edit war" item in the GA checklist). -- Philcha ( talk) 12:00, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
However looking at the size of 2008 Tennis Masters Cup I think that, per WP:SUMMARY, 2008 Tennis Masters Cup - Singles and 2008 Tennis Masters Cup - Doubles should do a lot of the heavy lifting instead of being bare results tables. That will enable this article to deal with additional matters like: how the venue was selected (is it as murky a process as the selection of sites for Olympic Games?); whether the venue already existed, had a major upgrade for the event or was specifically built for the event; and why the event was held in China when China had already got the 2008 Olympics; and any issues that came up with the running of the event (e.g. scheduling problems, for example to fit in with US TV schedules, which is a perennial issue at the US Open and IIRC the Australian). -- Philcha ( talk) 12:00, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Off the top of my head, I suggest a suitable structure for both 2008 Tennis Masters Cup - Singles and 2008 Tennis Masters Cup - Doubles would be:
I'd build up 2008 Tennis Masters Cup - Singles and 2008 Tennis Masters Cup - Doubles as much as possible before starting to reduce / remove coverage in 2008 Tennis Masters Cup. -- Philcha ( talk) 12:00, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
I know I'm asking a lot, and I'm willing to be fairly patient. In the upside, you already have very nearly enough material for 3 GAs, provided the references stand up. Hopefully you can get 3 GAs for the price of 1 around the end of Jan 2009. -- Philcha ( talk) 12:00, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Is anybody doing anything about this? If I don't see a response in the next 4 days I will have to assess this as "failed GA". -- Philcha ( talk) 20:57, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
*sigh* :( rst20xx ( talk) 12:32, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
- - - - - - please put GA review commments / response above this line - - - - - -
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Just to clarify because the source is in Spanish. Basically they are saying that due to the results registered in the US Open, they are now qualified to the Masters Cup. I think they imply that it is now mathematically not possible for them to fall off the top 20. -- Scuac ( talk) 13:49, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
I have added a good deal of text, pics, and references, reviewing the qualifications of each player and team, and some lines about Nadal and Erlich's withdrawals. When the tournament will start, I'll start a Review section for the singles and the doubles, written in the same fashion as the Day by day accounts of the Grand Slam articles of this year. The goal is to bring the article to GA, and, why not, FA status after it is finished (my reference being FA sport articles like 2005 United States Grand Prix or 2008 Orange Bowl).
About the pictures: Wikipedia Commons is not full with 2008 pictures of tennis players, and there are even less tennis doubles pictures available – and I realize that the del Potro and Nestor pics date from 2007, but it's better than nothing. It is probably foolish to expect pictures from the actual tournament will pop up, considering there are none for the previous editions, but if new photos (of del Potro, Murray, Tsonga, Zimonjic, the Bryans & al.) could be uploaded, it would probably be a valuable addition for the article.
-- Oxford St. ( talk) 21:02, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
It is very good text, but I don't know why put pictures? What that pictures have with the 2008 Tennis Masters Cup? -- Göran S ( talk) 21:18, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
A quality body of prose for a year-end tournament, quite a turn up...and I think old photos are okay (maybe even preferable if of a better quality) in any sort of qualification/background section. Do the ATP now archive their links? I remember having problems accessing old stories a while back.
I would like to do something similar (elevating to GA or FA) with 2008 U.S. Open (tennis) article at some point; I realize it has its problems, but the (re)sources are there. Yohan euan o4 ( talk) 13:22, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Sunday: I've added another section about the singles alternates (I'm not sure who are the doubles alternates yet), and I have started the Competition/Day by day section, which I intend to separate, like the individual draw pages in two sections: Round robin and Finals. The trick now is to find pictures of the actual tournament - these are the first I spotted on Flickr, but only one or two photos could be used, and you frankly can't see the players (and of course the author would have to agree to relicensing). -- Oxford St. ( talk) 19:51, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
These are things that I will put in to be clarified while I make some copy-edits. Dabomb87 ( talk) 22:26, 17 November 2008 (UTC) Let me propose some clarifications: -- Oxford St. ( talk) 12:26, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
One thing that will need to change is that the references will need to be in one of the {{citation}} formats, either {{citation}}, {{cite web}}, {{cite news}}, {{cite book}}, etc.-- User:2008Olympian chitchat seemywork 01:11, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
1. {{cite news}} is for newspapers, {{cite web}} is for websites.
2. "Author" refers to an actual person, not the website that it comes from, that would fill the "work" category.--
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Firstly, let me say that I am very impressed with this article you've written here, and I think it deserves to become our first tournament GA/FA. Best of luck with that.
But I feel that there's something that needs to be addressed here, namely, how content is split between a tournament article and its event articles (so in this case, between 2008 Tennis Masters Cup and 2008 Tennis Masters Cup - Singles/ 2008 Tennis Masters Cup - Doubles). Precedent seems consistently to be to put all description of proceedings in the tournament article, and then leave the event articles as just seedings/draws. As a result, the event articles seem to me to be more like Lists at the moment. Do you think that, with a little bit of summary added to the event articles, we could get them to FL status? And have them refer to the tournament article via a hat-tip, for a full description of proceedings - rst20xx ( talk) 13:50, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, Dabomb87 says on his talk page we should split the article, Yohan euan o4 thinks we shouldn't though the article is indeed quite long, Rst20xx would favor a reorganization, but highlights the fact that subarticles would be themselves too long - I guess the best thing would be to wait for the GA review, or the FA review, and see what is advised from editors outside the Tennis Project. -- Oxford St. ( talk) 15:30, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I'll be reviewing this. Before I go further, congratulations on producing such an attractive and thorough article so soon after the event.
I'll follow my usual approach of dealing with "high-level" issues like coverage and structure before the nitty-gritty, and leave the lead until any issues wiht the main content have been resolved. -- Philcha ( talk) 11:07, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
I see some discussion at Talk:2008 Tennis Masters Cup of which details should go in which articles, the other articles concerned being 2008 Tennis Masters Cup - Singles and 2008 Tennis Masters Cup - Doubles. I do not regard the "What should go in what article" debate as evidence of an edit war, since the tone of all participants is reasonable and friendly, and they all concerned with how best to present the subject than with POV-pushing (PS don't get wound up about this, it simply deals with the "no edit war" item in the GA checklist). -- Philcha ( talk) 12:00, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
However looking at the size of 2008 Tennis Masters Cup I think that, per WP:SUMMARY, 2008 Tennis Masters Cup - Singles and 2008 Tennis Masters Cup - Doubles should do a lot of the heavy lifting instead of being bare results tables. That will enable this article to deal with additional matters like: how the venue was selected (is it as murky a process as the selection of sites for Olympic Games?); whether the venue already existed, had a major upgrade for the event or was specifically built for the event; and why the event was held in China when China had already got the 2008 Olympics; and any issues that came up with the running of the event (e.g. scheduling problems, for example to fit in with US TV schedules, which is a perennial issue at the US Open and IIRC the Australian). -- Philcha ( talk) 12:00, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Off the top of my head, I suggest a suitable structure for both 2008 Tennis Masters Cup - Singles and 2008 Tennis Masters Cup - Doubles would be:
I'd build up 2008 Tennis Masters Cup - Singles and 2008 Tennis Masters Cup - Doubles as much as possible before starting to reduce / remove coverage in 2008 Tennis Masters Cup. -- Philcha ( talk) 12:00, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
I know I'm asking a lot, and I'm willing to be fairly patient. In the upside, you already have very nearly enough material for 3 GAs, provided the references stand up. Hopefully you can get 3 GAs for the price of 1 around the end of Jan 2009. -- Philcha ( talk) 12:00, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Is anybody doing anything about this? If I don't see a response in the next 4 days I will have to assess this as "failed GA". -- Philcha ( talk) 20:57, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
*sigh* :( rst20xx ( talk) 12:32, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
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