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Are you sure? It contradicts much of what is said about the candidates' support in the paragraphs immediately above. Do you have a single source for those figures, or is it a compilation? –Hajor 02:13, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Your most recent changes have addressed most of my concerns; I'm still a bit worried about listing Panama and SK&N under Insulza, precisely because they (and Peru) are where the (first round) battle is going to be fought. If Insulza doesn't get 18 on the first attempt, the 2nd round between him and Derbez is when it'll get interesting. The Mexican press is already discussing replacements for Derbez. Do they announce how the individual votes were cast, or is it a secret ballot? –Hajor 04:24, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Obvious solution: readmit Cuba. Deciding vote; problem solved. –Hajor 20:25, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hmm... how about dividing them all up into blocs: Caricom; Andean Comm'ty and Mercosur (or combine as SACN?); NAFTA; Central American Parliament / Common Market. Overlaps? Guyana & Suriname are more Caricom than SACN. Any others? –Hajor 21:52, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Breakdown:
I think that works. I was just worried about singling out the Caricoms for highlighting, NPOV and all that. –Hajor 00:20, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
In recent edits Paraguay was moved from Derbez undeclared to Insulza declared and Grenada moved from Insulza undeclared to Derbez declared. I haven't read about these changes in the press. Can someone point to a source for this or I'll have to revert it. Thanks. — Cantus… ☎ 20:27, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)
(spanish) LeandroManuel 13 Apr
(Message left on User talk:Hajor by 128.187.0.165 ( talk · contribs), copied here as an invitation for comments by the community at large.)
Needless to say, I disagree most strenuously with that position, and will continue to revert any deletion of those External Links, unless a strong community consensus emerges against me. The quality of, for example, today's article from El Mercurio is unparalleled by anything I have seen in the English-language press and it deserves inclusion. The Anglophone press has simply not been covering this story to the extent that the Latin American world has.
Were the Chinese url that anon cites to be included in an article of enormous interest to a part of the world where Chinese is predominantly spoken, I would not presume to delete it. After anon's first deletion of the urls, I classified them by language -- English links and Spanish links under each of the subheads -- and trimmed several of the more obsolete ones. That is as much of a compromise as I am prepared to offer at this point. As this news story evolves, if the English-speaking press begins to cover the story in any dept, and after the next round of elections comes and goes, the need to include foreign-language material will be less pressing, and most, if not all, of the Spanish links can be removed. –Hajor 04:00, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Well all I can say is read this. It's plain and simple M. bandana 07:35, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Just for the record, es:Your links are now here, where they belong was redirected to es:Elección de 2005 del Secretario General de la OEA and the redirect deleted. The article was then listed for deletion, on the grounds that los artículos de Wikipedia no son meras colecciones de enlaces -- "wikipedia articles are not just collections of links", here and on w:es, it would appear. –Hajor 16:32, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Does this mean we can move the Dom Rep up to "Insulza, declared"? –Hajor 12:58, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I put it back to the way it was at the end of the first-round vote: the only subsequent change was Haiti, and leaving it at the 17:17 split is probably of more interest to the historical record. –Hajor 20:08, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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Are you sure? It contradicts much of what is said about the candidates' support in the paragraphs immediately above. Do you have a single source for those figures, or is it a compilation? –Hajor 02:13, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Your most recent changes have addressed most of my concerns; I'm still a bit worried about listing Panama and SK&N under Insulza, precisely because they (and Peru) are where the (first round) battle is going to be fought. If Insulza doesn't get 18 on the first attempt, the 2nd round between him and Derbez is when it'll get interesting. The Mexican press is already discussing replacements for Derbez. Do they announce how the individual votes were cast, or is it a secret ballot? –Hajor 04:24, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Obvious solution: readmit Cuba. Deciding vote; problem solved. –Hajor 20:25, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hmm... how about dividing them all up into blocs: Caricom; Andean Comm'ty and Mercosur (or combine as SACN?); NAFTA; Central American Parliament / Common Market. Overlaps? Guyana & Suriname are more Caricom than SACN. Any others? –Hajor 21:52, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Breakdown:
I think that works. I was just worried about singling out the Caricoms for highlighting, NPOV and all that. –Hajor 00:20, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
In recent edits Paraguay was moved from Derbez undeclared to Insulza declared and Grenada moved from Insulza undeclared to Derbez declared. I haven't read about these changes in the press. Can someone point to a source for this or I'll have to revert it. Thanks. — Cantus… ☎ 20:27, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)
(spanish) LeandroManuel 13 Apr
(Message left on User talk:Hajor by 128.187.0.165 ( talk · contribs), copied here as an invitation for comments by the community at large.)
Needless to say, I disagree most strenuously with that position, and will continue to revert any deletion of those External Links, unless a strong community consensus emerges against me. The quality of, for example, today's article from El Mercurio is unparalleled by anything I have seen in the English-language press and it deserves inclusion. The Anglophone press has simply not been covering this story to the extent that the Latin American world has.
Were the Chinese url that anon cites to be included in an article of enormous interest to a part of the world where Chinese is predominantly spoken, I would not presume to delete it. After anon's first deletion of the urls, I classified them by language -- English links and Spanish links under each of the subheads -- and trimmed several of the more obsolete ones. That is as much of a compromise as I am prepared to offer at this point. As this news story evolves, if the English-speaking press begins to cover the story in any dept, and after the next round of elections comes and goes, the need to include foreign-language material will be less pressing, and most, if not all, of the Spanish links can be removed. –Hajor 04:00, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Well all I can say is read this. It's plain and simple M. bandana 07:35, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Just for the record, es:Your links are now here, where they belong was redirected to es:Elección de 2005 del Secretario General de la OEA and the redirect deleted. The article was then listed for deletion, on the grounds that los artículos de Wikipedia no son meras colecciones de enlaces -- "wikipedia articles are not just collections of links", here and on w:es, it would appear. –Hajor 16:32, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Does this mean we can move the Dom Rep up to "Insulza, declared"? –Hajor 12:58, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I put it back to the way it was at the end of the first-round vote: the only subsequent change was Haiti, and leaving it at the 17:17 split is probably of more interest to the historical record. –Hajor 20:08, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)