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Just had a first scan through, and it all looks pretty sound. Most of the changes I made were cosmetic and didn't affect the material content of the article much; I hope they've made some of the sections a little clearer. I'll have a closer look at the sources and content later on, but I'm happy to let it stand as is for now. Good job! A q uilina 01:55, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
For these reasons :
The violence was particular intensive in the suburb of Glodwick and to a slightly lesser extent in Westwood. needs rephrasing.The main riots occurred in the Glodwick area of the town which is a multi-ethnic district of Oldham and home to a large community of people of Pakistani heritage. needs referencing.Here, up to 500 Asian youths (particularly of Pakistani and Bangladeshi heritage) were involved., needs referencing.On Saturday, 26 May, the (somewhat ironically titled) Live and Let Live pub, which was occupied at the time, was pelted with bricks, stones and petrol bombs. would be NPOV should the text in parenthesis be removed.- A section on the history or the lead up to the rioting is missing.
Some other parts are still missing citationsand POVness. Lincher 06:45, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
- --Thanks for the feedback, I'll try to make these amendments personally, and score out tasks as they are completed, however other users are also encouraged to help. Thanks again, Jhamez84 11:57, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
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I've tried to fix the issues provided above about the article failing GA criteria. I've fixed the vast majority (which were mainly citation/referencing problems), and have scored them out respectively. However, two points still remain as indicated above. I've messaged User:Lincher about this, and he wanted more reference to predicitions and rate-hate murders; I feel this is not appropriate for this article - as it is meant to document the Riots themselves, rather than an entire history of race crime in Oldham.
Lincher also stated that the article still has POV content. As I've written this article on an almost solo basis I think this is quite possible, so I will seek a peer review. If any reviewer or editor would like to contribute further to the article, please do, or discuss possibilities and suggestions below. It would be much appreciated. Thank you, Jhamez 84 23:15, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- The article is not yet illustrated. I know from my own attempts to improve the Bradford Riot article that it is likely that most images of the riot itself are of unsuitable copyright status. I have settled for the moment with taking a picture myself of some of the still visible damage. "a lack of images does not in itself prevent an article from achieving Good Article status" but have you considered this? MGSpiller 14:03, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
- Personally, I think that the article should have some images.... most taken of the riots themselves are copyright (mainly from BBC websites and such), and only a few exist. I could try to create some graphs or maps should I not find a suitable image, but I'll look at licencing and perhaps photographs of the area first. I'm trying to use the 1992 Los Angeles riots as a guide for this article also- which does have images.
- It's a fair point, and I agree with it. If the article fails GA for this I think it would be fair, but the nomination will at least generate interest and reviewers who could improve the wording for the time being.
Why Oldham Riots not Oldham riots? Not a proper noun is it? BobFromBrockley ( talk) 16:46, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
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- I don't know how one changes article titles. Can someone do this? BobFromBrockley ( talk) 10:36, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks from someone of Pakistani extraction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.58.66.194 ( talk) 14:54, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
Why "Oldham race riots" and not simply "Oldham riots"? There were several other factors in the riots, as the article makes clear, including class, generation, religion and neighbourhood/territoriality. BobFromBrockley ( talk) 11:25, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
- I agree. This was not a 'race riot'. Since how long South Asian Muslim considered a 'race'? Anyway, the ' race' concept is a social construct which is very popular in the USA, but its usage otherwise is discouraged even there ( see AAA statement) and I see no reason to use it here. I suggest renaming it to either to "Oldham riots", "Oldham ethnic riots", or "Oldham Violence". Cheers. FonsScientiae ( talk) 22:02, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
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Chrissymad why this unexplained revert of the edit by Ted_cantle? Seems like his edit made article more accurate? BobFromBrockley ( talk) 15:11, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
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- Oh I see. Not sure how I didn't manage to read that. But his edit did make it more accurate no? BobFromBrockley ( talk) 15:55, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
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I thought the riot started when members of the National Front held a rally there. Or am I thinking of a different riot in England? --------- User:DanTD ( talk) 19:23, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
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Just had a first scan through, and it all looks pretty sound. Most of the changes I made were cosmetic and didn't affect the material content of the article much; I hope they've made some of the sections a little clearer. I'll have a closer look at the sources and content later on, but I'm happy to let it stand as is for now. Good job! A q uilina 01:55, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
For these reasons :
The violence was particular intensive in the suburb of Glodwick and to a slightly lesser extent in Westwood. needs rephrasing.The main riots occurred in the Glodwick area of the town which is a multi-ethnic district of Oldham and home to a large community of people of Pakistani heritage. needs referencing.Here, up to 500 Asian youths (particularly of Pakistani and Bangladeshi heritage) were involved., needs referencing.On Saturday, 26 May, the (somewhat ironically titled) Live and Let Live pub, which was occupied at the time, was pelted with bricks, stones and petrol bombs. would be NPOV should the text in parenthesis be removed.- A section on the history or the lead up to the rioting is missing.
Some other parts are still missing citationsand POVness. Lincher 06:45, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
- --Thanks for the feedback, I'll try to make these amendments personally, and score out tasks as they are completed, however other users are also encouraged to help. Thanks again, Jhamez84 11:57, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Renomination
I've tried to fix the issues provided above about the article failing GA criteria. I've fixed the vast majority (which were mainly citation/referencing problems), and have scored them out respectively. However, two points still remain as indicated above. I've messaged User:Lincher about this, and he wanted more reference to predicitions and rate-hate murders; I feel this is not appropriate for this article - as it is meant to document the Riots themselves, rather than an entire history of race crime in Oldham.
Lincher also stated that the article still has POV content. As I've written this article on an almost solo basis I think this is quite possible, so I will seek a peer review. If any reviewer or editor would like to contribute further to the article, please do, or discuss possibilities and suggestions below. It would be much appreciated. Thank you, Jhamez 84 23:15, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- The article is not yet illustrated. I know from my own attempts to improve the Bradford Riot article that it is likely that most images of the riot itself are of unsuitable copyright status. I have settled for the moment with taking a picture myself of some of the still visible damage. "a lack of images does not in itself prevent an article from achieving Good Article status" but have you considered this? MGSpiller 14:03, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
- Personally, I think that the article should have some images.... most taken of the riots themselves are copyright (mainly from BBC websites and such), and only a few exist. I could try to create some graphs or maps should I not find a suitable image, but I'll look at licencing and perhaps photographs of the area first. I'm trying to use the 1992 Los Angeles riots as a guide for this article also- which does have images.
- It's a fair point, and I agree with it. If the article fails GA for this I think it would be fair, but the nomination will at least generate interest and reviewers who could improve the wording for the time being.
Why Oldham Riots not Oldham riots? Not a proper noun is it? BobFromBrockley ( talk) 16:46, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
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Talk 17:16, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
- I don't know how one changes article titles. Can someone do this? BobFromBrockley ( talk) 10:36, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks from someone of Pakistani extraction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.58.66.194 ( talk) 14:54, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
Why "Oldham race riots" and not simply "Oldham riots"? There were several other factors in the riots, as the article makes clear, including class, generation, religion and neighbourhood/territoriality. BobFromBrockley ( talk) 11:25, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
- I agree. This was not a 'race riot'. Since how long South Asian Muslim considered a 'race'? Anyway, the ' race' concept is a social construct which is very popular in the USA, but its usage otherwise is discouraged even there ( see AAA statement) and I see no reason to use it here. I suggest renaming it to either to "Oldham riots", "Oldham ethnic riots", or "Oldham Violence". Cheers. FonsScientiae ( talk) 22:02, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
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Chrissymad why this unexplained revert of the edit by Ted_cantle? Seems like his edit made article more accurate? BobFromBrockley ( talk) 15:11, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
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- Oh I see. Not sure how I didn't manage to read that. But his edit did make it more accurate no? BobFromBrockley ( talk) 15:55, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
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I thought the riot started when members of the National Front held a rally there. Or am I thinking of a different riot in England? --------- User:DanTD ( talk) 19:23, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
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