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It shows that the 1st Can Div was deactivated in 1958, yet I wore the red rectangle on my uniform in 1965-1966, when a member of 1 Can Sig Regt. 1 Can Sig Regt was the Divisional signals Regiment for 1 Canadian Infantry Division, so we wore the insignia.

...from the article. Perhaps someone might look into the dates in question? Jkelly 04:46, 29 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Official sources cite 1958 - see the booklet by DND that is cited here. The posting from the 1 Cdn Signals Regt would represent original research. If a solid reference can be cited, that would be optimal. Michael Dorosh 04:53, 29 July 2006 (UTC) reply
[1] gives closed 1958, but interestingly [2] ("History Of 1st Canadian Division Headquarters And Signal Regiment") implies that it remained in existence after the division dissolved
...the unit was re-established as 1st Canadian Infantry Divisional Signal Regiment in Camp Borden in 1952. In 1958, the Regiment moved to its new home in Kingston. Since 1952, the Regiment has contributed to all of Canada's UN and NATO commitments as well as numerous operations both in Canada and overseas. On December 21st, 1989, the Regiment was officially re-named 1st Canadian Division Headquarters and Signal Regiment...
but this is somewhat unclear. From [3]:
On 1 September 1958 4 CIBG Signal Troop, 3 RCHA Signal Troop and 1 Canadian Infantry Division Signal Regiment were disbanded.
On 1 June, 1961 General Order 704 redesignated 5 Signal Squadron as "1 Signal Unit" (order was actually dated 2 October but action was effective 1 June).
and then [4]:
On 15 August 1963 General Order 769 redesignated 1 Signal Unit as "1st Canadian Signal Regiment" (the order was actually dated 30 March 1964 but was effective from 15 August 1963).
So 1 Sig Regt did exist then, but the division didn't. Perhaps the patch was worn as a quirk of the uniform, as the last remaining organic unit of the division, or something? Shimgray | talk | 15:12, 29 July 2006 (UTC) reply

It's all problematical, since the re-activated Div was 1 Cdn Div (or 1 Can Div) not 1 Cdn Inf Div. Why should the postwar 1 Cdn Div be under the 1 Cdn Inf Div page and not the (WW1) 1 Cdn Div page? (I write this as a former 1 Cdn Div historian.) The Red Patch continued to be worn by 1CDHSR (including Div HQ)/1 Int Coy through the 90s, by the way. -- NetNus ( talk) 21:24, 12 July 2008 (UTC) reply


Anybody notice that the 5th division is missing from the list at the bottom of the article? (its one of those auto generated lists, I'm not sure how to fix it; it isn't a problem with this particular page per se Feldercarb ( talk) 14:22, 15 June 2009 (UTC) reply

I think it must be because it was originally a navigation box for Canadian infantry divisions - but 4th Armoured is there so either the heading should be changed from infantry divs to field divs and 5th added or 4th should be removed. I have done the former. I'm not closely associated with Canadian milhist so hope I haven't done something stupid (ie it was supposed to be infantry divs only). Stephen Kirrage talk - contribs 16:28, 15 June 2009 (UTC) reply
makes sense to me Feldercarb ( talk) 03:00, 17 June 2009 (UTC) reply


Order of Battle -- I assume this is from sometime in WWII? (The other division articles usually have a date for the OOB)

Dumb question - the brigades are composed of regiments? or battalions? Feldercarb ( talk) 03:00, 17 June 2009 (UTC) reply

This can be vey confusing for non Brits or certain CW people. A British, Canadian, Indian etc brigade is made up, generally, of 3 battalions. These battalions are drawn from various regiments i.e.:
(example)
What needs to be remember and is often confusing is that "Regiment" are not part of the operational structure in the Canadian Forces, they are only protocolar. Batallions of each Regiment are distinct unit under the Order of Battle of the CF. (Note that is only true for infantry regiments as they are the only ones with more than one battalion) Amqui ( talk) 21:00, 21 January 2011 (UTC) reply

Name

Isn't the name of the Div only "1st Canadian Division" like here. There is three regiments in the div and none of them are infantry. Maybe we need to clean out a bit 1st Canadian Division and 1st Canadian Infantry Division because according to this article in the Maple Leaf this is the same Division from WWI that has been reactivated for WWII, and two times after (plus now). I think we should consider this as a single unit, 1st Canadian Division, that bear a different name (1st Canadian Infantry Division) for a period of a time. Amqui ( talk) 20:57, 21 January 2011 (UTC) reply

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I just removed this comment:

It shows that the 1st Can Div was deactivated in 1958, yet I wore the red rectangle on my uniform in 1965-1966, when a member of 1 Can Sig Regt. 1 Can Sig Regt was the Divisional signals Regiment for 1 Canadian Infantry Division, so we wore the insignia.

...from the article. Perhaps someone might look into the dates in question? Jkelly 04:46, 29 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Official sources cite 1958 - see the booklet by DND that is cited here. The posting from the 1 Cdn Signals Regt would represent original research. If a solid reference can be cited, that would be optimal. Michael Dorosh 04:53, 29 July 2006 (UTC) reply
[1] gives closed 1958, but interestingly [2] ("History Of 1st Canadian Division Headquarters And Signal Regiment") implies that it remained in existence after the division dissolved
...the unit was re-established as 1st Canadian Infantry Divisional Signal Regiment in Camp Borden in 1952. In 1958, the Regiment moved to its new home in Kingston. Since 1952, the Regiment has contributed to all of Canada's UN and NATO commitments as well as numerous operations both in Canada and overseas. On December 21st, 1989, the Regiment was officially re-named 1st Canadian Division Headquarters and Signal Regiment...
but this is somewhat unclear. From [3]:
On 1 September 1958 4 CIBG Signal Troop, 3 RCHA Signal Troop and 1 Canadian Infantry Division Signal Regiment were disbanded.
On 1 June, 1961 General Order 704 redesignated 5 Signal Squadron as "1 Signal Unit" (order was actually dated 2 October but action was effective 1 June).
and then [4]:
On 15 August 1963 General Order 769 redesignated 1 Signal Unit as "1st Canadian Signal Regiment" (the order was actually dated 30 March 1964 but was effective from 15 August 1963).
So 1 Sig Regt did exist then, but the division didn't. Perhaps the patch was worn as a quirk of the uniform, as the last remaining organic unit of the division, or something? Shimgray | talk | 15:12, 29 July 2006 (UTC) reply

It's all problematical, since the re-activated Div was 1 Cdn Div (or 1 Can Div) not 1 Cdn Inf Div. Why should the postwar 1 Cdn Div be under the 1 Cdn Inf Div page and not the (WW1) 1 Cdn Div page? (I write this as a former 1 Cdn Div historian.) The Red Patch continued to be worn by 1CDHSR (including Div HQ)/1 Int Coy through the 90s, by the way. -- NetNus ( talk) 21:24, 12 July 2008 (UTC) reply


Anybody notice that the 5th division is missing from the list at the bottom of the article? (its one of those auto generated lists, I'm not sure how to fix it; it isn't a problem with this particular page per se Feldercarb ( talk) 14:22, 15 June 2009 (UTC) reply

I think it must be because it was originally a navigation box for Canadian infantry divisions - but 4th Armoured is there so either the heading should be changed from infantry divs to field divs and 5th added or 4th should be removed. I have done the former. I'm not closely associated with Canadian milhist so hope I haven't done something stupid (ie it was supposed to be infantry divs only). Stephen Kirrage talk - contribs 16:28, 15 June 2009 (UTC) reply
makes sense to me Feldercarb ( talk) 03:00, 17 June 2009 (UTC) reply


Order of Battle -- I assume this is from sometime in WWII? (The other division articles usually have a date for the OOB)

Dumb question - the brigades are composed of regiments? or battalions? Feldercarb ( talk) 03:00, 17 June 2009 (UTC) reply

This can be vey confusing for non Brits or certain CW people. A British, Canadian, Indian etc brigade is made up, generally, of 3 battalions. These battalions are drawn from various regiments i.e.:
(example)
What needs to be remember and is often confusing is that "Regiment" are not part of the operational structure in the Canadian Forces, they are only protocolar. Batallions of each Regiment are distinct unit under the Order of Battle of the CF. (Note that is only true for infantry regiments as they are the only ones with more than one battalion) Amqui ( talk) 21:00, 21 January 2011 (UTC) reply

Name

Isn't the name of the Div only "1st Canadian Division" like here. There is three regiments in the div and none of them are infantry. Maybe we need to clean out a bit 1st Canadian Division and 1st Canadian Infantry Division because according to this article in the Maple Leaf this is the same Division from WWI that has been reactivated for WWII, and two times after (plus now). I think we should consider this as a single unit, 1st Canadian Division, that bear a different name (1st Canadian Infantry Division) for a period of a time. Amqui ( talk) 20:57, 21 January 2011 (UTC) reply

Dead link

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Retrieved from " https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk:1st_Canadian_Infantry_Division&oldid=1196340041"

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