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Before we get too far into a conversation about key systems, someone is going to ask "Who are you? And what do you really know about key systems?"
I was a telephone systems superintendent in the USAF. I started as a telephone technician in 1966 and retired in 1992. I personally engineered and installed WECo key systems from 1967 until 1983. In '83 I became so senior in the organization that my boss wouldn't let me work on equipment any longer--he needed me shuffling paperwork. During my technician days, I installed easily over 200 key systems. Most with about 20-100 users. The largest had 1204 key phones on it. I installed and relocated 1A, 1A1, 1A2, and 6A systems. I maintained these as well as WECo 102 and 302 systems. I installed and maintained 501, 502, 564, 2564, 565, 2565, 630, 631, 830, and 831 model phones and call directors and a small number of Call Commanders, the 100 button phones. I hold the USAF equivalent of two patents related to telephone subscriber equipment.
I stumbled upon the wiki pages on key equipment today and realized how little accurate information is available about these systems. I will attempt to reorganize the listings and get accurate info on each. Sadly, it appears there are few accurate Internet web pages covering this subject, and I may have to refer to Bell Systems Technical Data which is out of print. I will try to attach pdf files for those references.
Should anyone have questions about my information, I will be happy to answer them. I can be reached at
m.carl[at-sign]charter.net
Thanks,
mc 24.217.76.217 ( talk) 22:03, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
All right; I just found out that Wikimedia Commons accepts PDF files, so that won't be a problem. Just create an account there as you did here in Wikipedia, upload the PDF there and then link to it from here. If you tell me the Commons filename I already know how to link it, having used the same process for photographs. Anyway it isn't difficult, so PDFs are not a problem if you've got good relevant ones. Me, I hate that format, but if that's what you've got, that's what we use.
That leaves the question, now many articles of what size? No, there isn't any lower limit to WP:STUB length, but what's bad about creating a cluster of tiny articles is that they make a topic difficult to understand and write, forcing the reader to jump from article to article and forcing the author to repeat background information for those readers who aren't jumping around. Now, once you've added enough good material for half a dozen real articles, that's not a problem. "Enough" generally means a few sections, each with a few paragraphs of a few sentences of a couple dozen well chosen words. Right now we don't have that, even in the current article, so we're pretty far from the point that splitting it would improve it. So, seems to me it might be better first to widen the scope of the current article with a section about each type. When the sections become big enough, they can be hived off into separate articles according to WP:SUMMARY style.
But, all that is based on my not knowing what material you've got. If you are ready to make not just a stub at first about each type, but a full article right away about each, then go right ahead. As for my qualifications, none on this topic. As my personal page implies, I'm an old crossbar guy who never cut down the wires in an Amphenol connector. However, I've edited a bunch of articles and have gone through many of the possible difficulties in article creation. Jim.henderson ( talk) 05:17, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Had a delay in getting copies of the Bell Practices--I now have them! I concur with your approach to create a series of smaller web pages. I would suggest a master page titled "key systems" which would provide a generaic discussion on the technology from 1A on up. It would also permit folks with expertise on Automatic electric systems to add 10A1 and those AE systems which I have no experience with. And it would allow transition into the newer electronic key systems which are in use today. It also allows us to separate out key telephone instruments which can be a subject of their own.
Over this weekend I will draft a proposed hierarchy for the subject of telephony and post it here.
BTW, can you point me to guidance and how to edit, so that I can do it the proper way as opposed to my current modus operandi of doing it how I think it is done? CMSgt Carl ( talk) 12:18, 26 April 2008 (UTC)Mike Carl
Every item in the Deployment section is marked "citation needed" or "original research?". As a longtime radio station engineer and key system installer I know for a fact each thing said is true, but I have no idea where to find acceptable citations. This has to be a common problem with material that is learned only by specialized experience. Radio Sharon ( talk) 20:49, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
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Before we get too far into a conversation about key systems, someone is going to ask "Who are you? And what do you really know about key systems?"
I was a telephone systems superintendent in the USAF. I started as a telephone technician in 1966 and retired in 1992. I personally engineered and installed WECo key systems from 1967 until 1983. In '83 I became so senior in the organization that my boss wouldn't let me work on equipment any longer--he needed me shuffling paperwork. During my technician days, I installed easily over 200 key systems. Most with about 20-100 users. The largest had 1204 key phones on it. I installed and relocated 1A, 1A1, 1A2, and 6A systems. I maintained these as well as WECo 102 and 302 systems. I installed and maintained 501, 502, 564, 2564, 565, 2565, 630, 631, 830, and 831 model phones and call directors and a small number of Call Commanders, the 100 button phones. I hold the USAF equivalent of two patents related to telephone subscriber equipment.
I stumbled upon the wiki pages on key equipment today and realized how little accurate information is available about these systems. I will attempt to reorganize the listings and get accurate info on each. Sadly, it appears there are few accurate Internet web pages covering this subject, and I may have to refer to Bell Systems Technical Data which is out of print. I will try to attach pdf files for those references.
Should anyone have questions about my information, I will be happy to answer them. I can be reached at
m.carl[at-sign]charter.net
Thanks,
mc 24.217.76.217 ( talk) 22:03, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
All right; I just found out that Wikimedia Commons accepts PDF files, so that won't be a problem. Just create an account there as you did here in Wikipedia, upload the PDF there and then link to it from here. If you tell me the Commons filename I already know how to link it, having used the same process for photographs. Anyway it isn't difficult, so PDFs are not a problem if you've got good relevant ones. Me, I hate that format, but if that's what you've got, that's what we use.
That leaves the question, now many articles of what size? No, there isn't any lower limit to WP:STUB length, but what's bad about creating a cluster of tiny articles is that they make a topic difficult to understand and write, forcing the reader to jump from article to article and forcing the author to repeat background information for those readers who aren't jumping around. Now, once you've added enough good material for half a dozen real articles, that's not a problem. "Enough" generally means a few sections, each with a few paragraphs of a few sentences of a couple dozen well chosen words. Right now we don't have that, even in the current article, so we're pretty far from the point that splitting it would improve it. So, seems to me it might be better first to widen the scope of the current article with a section about each type. When the sections become big enough, they can be hived off into separate articles according to WP:SUMMARY style.
But, all that is based on my not knowing what material you've got. If you are ready to make not just a stub at first about each type, but a full article right away about each, then go right ahead. As for my qualifications, none on this topic. As my personal page implies, I'm an old crossbar guy who never cut down the wires in an Amphenol connector. However, I've edited a bunch of articles and have gone through many of the possible difficulties in article creation. Jim.henderson ( talk) 05:17, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Had a delay in getting copies of the Bell Practices--I now have them! I concur with your approach to create a series of smaller web pages. I would suggest a master page titled "key systems" which would provide a generaic discussion on the technology from 1A on up. It would also permit folks with expertise on Automatic electric systems to add 10A1 and those AE systems which I have no experience with. And it would allow transition into the newer electronic key systems which are in use today. It also allows us to separate out key telephone instruments which can be a subject of their own.
Over this weekend I will draft a proposed hierarchy for the subject of telephony and post it here.
BTW, can you point me to guidance and how to edit, so that I can do it the proper way as opposed to my current modus operandi of doing it how I think it is done? CMSgt Carl ( talk) 12:18, 26 April 2008 (UTC)Mike Carl
Every item in the Deployment section is marked "citation needed" or "original research?". As a longtime radio station engineer and key system installer I know for a fact each thing said is true, but I have no idea where to find acceptable citations. This has to be a common problem with material that is learned only by specialized experience. Radio Sharon ( talk) 20:49, 24 March 2014 (UTC)