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BetacommandBot 11:03, 27 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Oldfield

I'm genuinely curious as to which part of the record Mike Oldfield objected to, because it is very different in style to Tubular Bells. I assume Oldfield argued that the tinkly main melody was too similar to the "grand piano... and tubular bells" section at the end of side one Bells, but is there a proper reference to attest this? - Ashley Pomeroy ( talk) 22:55, 13 August 2008 (UTC) reply

  • As a long-term Oldfield fan, I have often heard this claimed (it does indeed relate to the main melody's relationship to the "announcing of the instruments" section). In fact some version claim that it was an unauthorised sample which is clearly not true. However, in all this time I have never once seen any official claim to confirm it. In fact, the record for the recording at the Performing Right Society (who would ensure the correct division in royalties) lists the writers as Paul Hardcastle, William D Couturie and Jonas McCord. To clarify the accuracy of this, it lists the writers of Whatever (Oasis song) as Noel Thomas Gallagher and Neil James Innes, after he famously managed to get added to the rights, although on official releases the song is still credited just to Gallagher. In short - I am of the opinion that this is enough to convincingly prove this to be a long standing rumour with no actual truth to it. As such I'm going to take it out of the article. Speednik ( talk) 20:32, 24 September 2008 (UTC) reply
      • As a casual reader I was a little confused as to why Mike Oldfield suddenly appeared in the credits and assumed he had some sort of production role. A note in the main article would make things a bit clearer. 86.131.223.106 ( talk) 01:13, 2 January 2014 (UTC) reply

19 age dispute

The average age at death is not the same as the average age of a combat soldier. Also what was the average conscription age of the Vietnamese soldiers and average age of death? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.100.41.139 ( talk) 08:33, 14 November 2009 (UTC) reply

I'm not sure of the relevance of your comment. The words are:
In World War II the average age of the combat soldier was twenty-six
In Vietnam he was nineteen
My inkling is that it means the average age of soldiers on the battlefield at any given time. But it doesn't seem to me that either the current version or the version of the article from the time of your comment confused the average age of a soldier with the average age at death, so it isn't clear what point you're making.... — Smjg ( talk) 19:44, 9 October 2016 (UTC) reply

Content

Apparently mixed in:

  1. Documentary commentary by Peter Thomas
  2. "I wasn't really sure what was going on" - from an unknown source (possibly an interview with a soldier from the documentary) -
  3. News commentary - from an unknown source (possibly recycled the documentary, and in turn from a news source)

1 is covered well, 2 is cited as "The song incorporated bits of interviews from soldiers as well" despite being only one sentence fragment. The source also makes the same mistake, making it not a very RS in this context. 3 isn't mentioned at all.

This needs improving. I will fix up the plurality issue, but the rest needs some careful research.

Rich  Farmbrough, 21:08, 12 June 2011 (UTC). reply

Style

The track was also notable at the time for the "scratching" effect, similar to that of Max Headroom a few years later. However I don't have cites for this, merely my fallible memory. Rich  Farmbrough, 21:08, 12 June 2011 (UTC). reply

First HipHop Number 1 in UK Pop Charts

Surely it needs mentioning that this was the first hiphop (as in the whole scene, b-boy tracks, breakbeats, electro, grafitti rather than just rappin) number one in the pop charts.After all it was hiphop fans who initially put it in the charts after hearing for weeks on the London pirates. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.176.105.141 ( talk) 13:50, 30 November 2011 (UTC) I did not know that it was a hip-hop song. Vorbee ( talk) 16:57, 28 May 2018 (UTC) reply

Sampling

Does anyone know for certain what instrument(s) were used to perform the sampling? Fairlight CMI would have been a possibility; I don't know for sure what else was on the market at the time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.157.54.144 ( talk) 02:51, 10 April 2012 (UTC) reply

According to this: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2012/sep/24/19-paul-hardcastle-ken-grunbaum it is an EMU Emulator. 80.6.99.67 ( talk) 11:00, 29 August 2017 (UTC) reply

Removed unsourced material

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  • Hardcastle was later unsuccessfully sued by ABC for his unauthorized use of samples from the documentary. citation needed

Happy editing, Hiding T 07:21, 25 September 2012 (UTC) reply

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Fair use rationale for Image:19us45.jpg

Image:19us45.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot 11:03, 27 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Oldfield

I'm genuinely curious as to which part of the record Mike Oldfield objected to, because it is very different in style to Tubular Bells. I assume Oldfield argued that the tinkly main melody was too similar to the "grand piano... and tubular bells" section at the end of side one Bells, but is there a proper reference to attest this? - Ashley Pomeroy ( talk) 22:55, 13 August 2008 (UTC) reply

  • As a long-term Oldfield fan, I have often heard this claimed (it does indeed relate to the main melody's relationship to the "announcing of the instruments" section). In fact some version claim that it was an unauthorised sample which is clearly not true. However, in all this time I have never once seen any official claim to confirm it. In fact, the record for the recording at the Performing Right Society (who would ensure the correct division in royalties) lists the writers as Paul Hardcastle, William D Couturie and Jonas McCord. To clarify the accuracy of this, it lists the writers of Whatever (Oasis song) as Noel Thomas Gallagher and Neil James Innes, after he famously managed to get added to the rights, although on official releases the song is still credited just to Gallagher. In short - I am of the opinion that this is enough to convincingly prove this to be a long standing rumour with no actual truth to it. As such I'm going to take it out of the article. Speednik ( talk) 20:32, 24 September 2008 (UTC) reply
      • As a casual reader I was a little confused as to why Mike Oldfield suddenly appeared in the credits and assumed he had some sort of production role. A note in the main article would make things a bit clearer. 86.131.223.106 ( talk) 01:13, 2 January 2014 (UTC) reply

19 age dispute

The average age at death is not the same as the average age of a combat soldier. Also what was the average conscription age of the Vietnamese soldiers and average age of death? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.100.41.139 ( talk) 08:33, 14 November 2009 (UTC) reply

I'm not sure of the relevance of your comment. The words are:
In World War II the average age of the combat soldier was twenty-six
In Vietnam he was nineteen
My inkling is that it means the average age of soldiers on the battlefield at any given time. But it doesn't seem to me that either the current version or the version of the article from the time of your comment confused the average age of a soldier with the average age at death, so it isn't clear what point you're making.... — Smjg ( talk) 19:44, 9 October 2016 (UTC) reply

Content

Apparently mixed in:

  1. Documentary commentary by Peter Thomas
  2. "I wasn't really sure what was going on" - from an unknown source (possibly an interview with a soldier from the documentary) -
  3. News commentary - from an unknown source (possibly recycled the documentary, and in turn from a news source)

1 is covered well, 2 is cited as "The song incorporated bits of interviews from soldiers as well" despite being only one sentence fragment. The source also makes the same mistake, making it not a very RS in this context. 3 isn't mentioned at all.

This needs improving. I will fix up the plurality issue, but the rest needs some careful research.

Rich  Farmbrough, 21:08, 12 June 2011 (UTC). reply

Style

The track was also notable at the time for the "scratching" effect, similar to that of Max Headroom a few years later. However I don't have cites for this, merely my fallible memory. Rich  Farmbrough, 21:08, 12 June 2011 (UTC). reply

First HipHop Number 1 in UK Pop Charts

Surely it needs mentioning that this was the first hiphop (as in the whole scene, b-boy tracks, breakbeats, electro, grafitti rather than just rappin) number one in the pop charts.After all it was hiphop fans who initially put it in the charts after hearing for weeks on the London pirates. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.176.105.141 ( talk) 13:50, 30 November 2011 (UTC) I did not know that it was a hip-hop song. Vorbee ( talk) 16:57, 28 May 2018 (UTC) reply

Sampling

Does anyone know for certain what instrument(s) were used to perform the sampling? Fairlight CMI would have been a possibility; I don't know for sure what else was on the market at the time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.157.54.144 ( talk) 02:51, 10 April 2012 (UTC) reply

According to this: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2012/sep/24/19-paul-hardcastle-ken-grunbaum it is an EMU Emulator. 80.6.99.67 ( talk) 11:00, 29 August 2017 (UTC) reply

Removed unsourced material

I've removed the following from the article for being unsourced for a lengthy period of time:

  • Hardcastle was later unsuccessfully sued by ABC for his unauthorized use of samples from the documentary. citation needed

Happy editing, Hiding T 07:21, 25 September 2012 (UTC) reply

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