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The article has passed Sections 3), 4) and 5). Corrections are needed on Sections 1), 2) and 6).
Overall, the assessment is ON HOLD.
The assessment is, as follows :
1) Written Quality
- The Flood in Greater Grand Falls section - No contractions allowed in Wikipedia. Replace "didn't" and "couldn't".
- Fixed by JWGreen.
- Downtown Grand Forks fire section - rewrite the split infinitive "to immediately begin"
- Fixed by JWGreen.
- Donation and damages section - replace "didn't"
- Fixed by JWGreen.
2) Factual Accuracy
Lead :
- Superlatives are discouraged on Wikipedia. Give a reference for the claim ." it was the most severe flood of the river since 1826".
- Moved the statement to "The flood in Greater Grand Forks", since it appears the claim was only related to the Grand Forks area (according to the source). -- Nehrams2020 ( talk) 00:05, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
- Give a reference for " none so greatly as in Grand Forks,,,,,," Rewrite both senteces so as to remove superlatives.
- I reworded it somewhat, let me know if it needs to be changed further. For a reference, I don't think that one is needed since the rest of the article's sources show the extensive damage in the the region. -- Nehrams2020 ( talk) 00:05, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
- Federal and state response and assistance section - Add and reference a sentence explaining why "the bill was initially vetoed by Clinton" Add President to Clinton.
- Fixed, the information has been expanded from the source; didn't include it initially. -- Nehrams2020 ( talk) 00:05, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
- Future Flood Prevention section - name the other communities in the sentence "has been used as a model by other communities,,,,,"
- Put in hidden comment until another source can be found, since current source links to an unrelated article, and the past article requires a payment to read the article. --
Nehrams2020 (
talk) 00:05, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
- Readded and included information about GF's efforts with an adopted city. -- Nehrams2020 ( talk) 08:36, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
- Put in hidden comment until another source can be found, since current source links to an unrelated article, and the past article requires a payment to read the article. --
Nehrams2020 (
talk) 00:05, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
- The most salient fact about the article - one that leaps at a reader - is the claim in the Infobox that the flood caused $3.5 billion damage and "0 fatalities". The lack of fatalities can only be explained by efficient evacuation procedures. However, the evacuation procedures are scattered throughout the article. Bring them all together in a new section entitled "Evacuation procedures". Include and reference any complaints of the evacuation procedures.
- Will work on this later this weekend. --
Nehrams2020 (
talk) 00:05, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
- I created a new evacuations section and included all relevant information, and also added some more. I couldn't find any direct criticism of the evacuation itself, but I did include a quote about the anger over the incorrect prediction of the height of flooding which impacted peoples' decisions to evacuate. -- Nehrams2020 ( talk) 08:36, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
- Will work on this later this weekend. --
Nehrams2020 (
talk) 00:05, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
3) Coverage - Article is broad in scope and stays focused on the topic.
4) Neutrality - Article is written without bias to any particular side.
5) Stability - Article is stable with no major edit wars.
6) Photos
- For a reader unfamiliar with the geography of the area, use this image in the article, Image:Redrivernorthmap.png. This image is aready used in the Red River article but it is needed in this article too, for the sake of completeness.
- Fixed by JWGreen.
The corrections specified above must be done within seven days. Contact me when they have been and I shall re-assess.
Tovojolo ( talk) 22:39, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
- I believe that the above issues have been addressed, thanks to JWGreen for assisting. Please mention if there are any issues that need to be addressed further. -- Nehrams2020 ( talk) 08:36, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
I note that the corrections, that were required, have been carried out, I am, therefore, pleased to announce that the article has achieved GA Status.
Congratulations,
Tovojolo ( talk) 18:08, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for the quick review and for everybody that helped to bring the article up to GA status. Please add it to your watchlist to keep an eye on vandalism and ensuring all new information is properly sourced. -- Nehrams2020 ( talk) 23:30, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Proposed merge with 1997 Red River flood
- Oppose. There's lots of detail here that would excessively lengthen the 1997 Red River flood article. Parts of this article redundant with 1997 Red River flood could be trimmed out of here. -- Wtshymanski ( talk) 15:12, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose. For the amount of information present for the "in the U.S." article, I believe it is justified to have its own article. If you look at some major hurricanes, you can see separate articles for the impact of the storm on different states or regions (examples include: Effects of Hurricane Dennis in Mississippi, Effects of Hurricane Dennis in Georgia, Effects of Hurricane Noel in the United States, Effects of Hurricane Wilma in Florida, or Effects of Hurricane Wilma in The Bahamas) Due to the amount of information for "in Canada", it may possibly be merged back into the original article (and possibly split off again when there is significant expansion on it in the future). However, I think "in the U.S." should remain separate due to its current size/coverage. -- Nehrams2020 ( talk) 20:04, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose. The information here is too detailed for the main article, and as Nehrams2020 mentioned, there is precedent for pages such as this. – Juliancolton | Talk 21:15, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
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There has been an on-going controversy on the capitalization of words in a title that normally are not capitalized. This article is listed as a "good article" so this needs to be addressed for correctness and consistency. With few exceptions the word flood is not capitalized throughout Wikipedia as evidenced at [[Category:Floods]] and [[Category:Floods in the United States]]. Otr500 ( talk) 08:29, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
- Wikipedia policy:
- Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Titles#Capitalization states, "However, for names of Wikipedia articles and of section headings in articles and pages, generally only the first word and all proper names are capitalized in titles.". Wikipedia:Article titles#Article title format states, "Use lowercase, except for proper names". This supposedly narrows the criteria to determining if a word is part of such a "proper noun" or named as such as provided by reliable sources as the common name.
- I am always a proponent of using the common name when possible (exceptions for avoiding ambiguity) otherwise policy and title consistency should be followed. Otr500 ( talk) 09:44, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
- Consensus shows that there will be no objections to me submitting this for a name change. Otr500 ( talk) 00:22, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
- I agree. I'll do it. — Anomalocaris ( talk) 09:27, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
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The article has passed Sections 3), 4) and 5). Corrections are needed on Sections 1), 2) and 6).
Overall, the assessment is ON HOLD.
The assessment is, as follows :
1) Written Quality
- The Flood in Greater Grand Falls section - No contractions allowed in Wikipedia. Replace "didn't" and "couldn't".
- Fixed by JWGreen.
- Downtown Grand Forks fire section - rewrite the split infinitive "to immediately begin"
- Fixed by JWGreen.
- Donation and damages section - replace "didn't"
- Fixed by JWGreen.
2) Factual Accuracy
Lead :
- Superlatives are discouraged on Wikipedia. Give a reference for the claim ." it was the most severe flood of the river since 1826".
- Moved the statement to "The flood in Greater Grand Forks", since it appears the claim was only related to the Grand Forks area (according to the source). -- Nehrams2020 ( talk) 00:05, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
- Give a reference for " none so greatly as in Grand Forks,,,,,," Rewrite both senteces so as to remove superlatives.
- I reworded it somewhat, let me know if it needs to be changed further. For a reference, I don't think that one is needed since the rest of the article's sources show the extensive damage in the the region. -- Nehrams2020 ( talk) 00:05, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
- Federal and state response and assistance section - Add and reference a sentence explaining why "the bill was initially vetoed by Clinton" Add President to Clinton.
- Fixed, the information has been expanded from the source; didn't include it initially. -- Nehrams2020 ( talk) 00:05, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
- Future Flood Prevention section - name the other communities in the sentence "has been used as a model by other communities,,,,,"
- Put in hidden comment until another source can be found, since current source links to an unrelated article, and the past article requires a payment to read the article. --
Nehrams2020 (
talk) 00:05, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
- Readded and included information about GF's efforts with an adopted city. -- Nehrams2020 ( talk) 08:36, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
- Put in hidden comment until another source can be found, since current source links to an unrelated article, and the past article requires a payment to read the article. --
Nehrams2020 (
talk) 00:05, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
- The most salient fact about the article - one that leaps at a reader - is the claim in the Infobox that the flood caused $3.5 billion damage and "0 fatalities". The lack of fatalities can only be explained by efficient evacuation procedures. However, the evacuation procedures are scattered throughout the article. Bring them all together in a new section entitled "Evacuation procedures". Include and reference any complaints of the evacuation procedures.
- Will work on this later this weekend. --
Nehrams2020 (
talk) 00:05, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
- I created a new evacuations section and included all relevant information, and also added some more. I couldn't find any direct criticism of the evacuation itself, but I did include a quote about the anger over the incorrect prediction of the height of flooding which impacted peoples' decisions to evacuate. -- Nehrams2020 ( talk) 08:36, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
- Will work on this later this weekend. --
Nehrams2020 (
talk) 00:05, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
3) Coverage - Article is broad in scope and stays focused on the topic.
4) Neutrality - Article is written without bias to any particular side.
5) Stability - Article is stable with no major edit wars.
6) Photos
- For a reader unfamiliar with the geography of the area, use this image in the article, Image:Redrivernorthmap.png. This image is aready used in the Red River article but it is needed in this article too, for the sake of completeness.
- Fixed by JWGreen.
The corrections specified above must be done within seven days. Contact me when they have been and I shall re-assess.
Tovojolo ( talk) 22:39, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
- I believe that the above issues have been addressed, thanks to JWGreen for assisting. Please mention if there are any issues that need to be addressed further. -- Nehrams2020 ( talk) 08:36, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
I note that the corrections, that were required, have been carried out, I am, therefore, pleased to announce that the article has achieved GA Status.
Congratulations,
Tovojolo ( talk) 18:08, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for the quick review and for everybody that helped to bring the article up to GA status. Please add it to your watchlist to keep an eye on vandalism and ensuring all new information is properly sourced. -- Nehrams2020 ( talk) 23:30, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Proposed merge with 1997 Red River flood
- Oppose. There's lots of detail here that would excessively lengthen the 1997 Red River flood article. Parts of this article redundant with 1997 Red River flood could be trimmed out of here. -- Wtshymanski ( talk) 15:12, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose. For the amount of information present for the "in the U.S." article, I believe it is justified to have its own article. If you look at some major hurricanes, you can see separate articles for the impact of the storm on different states or regions (examples include: Effects of Hurricane Dennis in Mississippi, Effects of Hurricane Dennis in Georgia, Effects of Hurricane Noel in the United States, Effects of Hurricane Wilma in Florida, or Effects of Hurricane Wilma in The Bahamas) Due to the amount of information for "in Canada", it may possibly be merged back into the original article (and possibly split off again when there is significant expansion on it in the future). However, I think "in the U.S." should remain separate due to its current size/coverage. -- Nehrams2020 ( talk) 20:04, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose. The information here is too detailed for the main article, and as Nehrams2020 mentioned, there is precedent for pages such as this. – Juliancolton | Talk 21:15, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
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There has been an on-going controversy on the capitalization of words in a title that normally are not capitalized. This article is listed as a "good article" so this needs to be addressed for correctness and consistency. With few exceptions the word flood is not capitalized throughout Wikipedia as evidenced at [[Category:Floods]] and [[Category:Floods in the United States]]. Otr500 ( talk) 08:29, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
- Wikipedia policy:
- Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Titles#Capitalization states, "However, for names of Wikipedia articles and of section headings in articles and pages, generally only the first word and all proper names are capitalized in titles.". Wikipedia:Article titles#Article title format states, "Use lowercase, except for proper names". This supposedly narrows the criteria to determining if a word is part of such a "proper noun" or named as such as provided by reliable sources as the common name.
- I am always a proponent of using the common name when possible (exceptions for avoiding ambiguity) otherwise policy and title consistency should be followed. Otr500 ( talk) 09:44, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
- Consensus shows that there will be no objections to me submitting this for a name change. Otr500 ( talk) 00:22, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
- I agree. I'll do it. — Anomalocaris ( talk) 09:27, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
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