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I added the "Societal Response" Section along with the information and citations that go with it. -- Mhubbe2 ( talk) 23:39, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
Citations missing for the entire overview section, the first paragraph for the "Previous floods" section, and the first paragraph for the "Impacts" section. -- Mhubbe2 ( talk) 23:39, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
This article is quite Manitoba-centric -- quite inappropriate considering most of the damage was done in Grand Forks. Unfortunately, I don't have much direct knowledge of the floods, so this is going to take a bit of research. Care to help? -- Alexwcovington 16:08, 12 May 2004 (UTC)
I don't think it's style to use the definite article in the title. - Montréalais 17:27, 12 May 2004 (UTC)
I'm not very happy with the title of this article. It seems a little confusing to have a comma in a title. Would "Red River Flood of 1997" be better? -- MatthewUND 06:17, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
I think it's fine either way. Subsurd 07:35, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
Ugh, now it's too North Dakota-centric. -- AtomicCactus 07:42, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
This statement needs clarification: “There was overabundant snowfall the past winter. A total of 98.6 inches (250 cm) of snow accumulated.”
In what city was this number? Does “accumulation” mean the snow that was on the ground at the end of winter or the total snowfall over the winter? My recollection is that for Fargo the previous record snowfall for a winter was 89.9 inches, and then Fargo got about 120 inches of snowfall in the winter of 1996-97, exceeding the previous record by a third. This is my unresearched recollection.
Olivia
I'd think it would be informative to provide a table of the final river crest levels for each major city along the river. In light of the current flooding of the Red in 2006, I've seen incorrect information pop up in current news reports comparing this year's flood to 1997 (GF's crest of 54 feet in 1997 was recently used to incorrectly contrast against Fargo's projected crest of 37.5 feet for this year). -- Djamund 04 Apr 2006
I think that's a good idea. I wouldn't mind seeing a Fargo-Moorhead section either. Subsurd 18:36, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
As I remember, one of the problems involved the river flowing from south to north. The land in the south thawed earlier (naturally), but the water couldn't drain easily because further north the river was still choked with ice.
The arial photo below the photo of the river gaudge seems to not be from 1997. The Blue Moose Bar and Grill building is not in the photo- at the time of the 1997 flood it was located just south of DeMers Ave between Opticare and the dike. The Pillsbary Bridge still has rails and ties on it. At the time of the flood, the bridge had been converted to a pedestrian bridge, with a fence lineing the sides. - JWGreen 13:37, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Correct
I was there and suffered through ALL of it.
There was over 100 inches of snow ON THE GROUND. We had a blizzard. The temperature rose above freezing, then it rained.
Fargo got hit first - being south of Grand Forks some 75 miles, they experienced overland flooding first as a result of the frozen ground not being able to absorb the melting snow and rain runoff. The water literally ran across I-29 towards the river.
All the bridges spanning the river at Grand Forks dammed the river ice and contributed to the rising waters.
They dropped soot at dynamited the ice to no avail.
Prior to the main dykes breaking that Friday night we were sandbagging to 35 feet - the figure they said would be the crest. (makeshift signs appeared after the flooding stating "35 feet my ass")
The damage was unbelievable. Because Grand Forks is in a bend of the river - the water flowed through town (path of least resistance). In that water was everything you could imagine - animals, fuel oil, diesel,gas, and sewage. Dumpsters became lethal as they plowed through fences and into homes.
Along the river neighborhoods on both sides were picnic tables in tress, and decks ripped free and travelling towards Canada.
I have a video I made the Wednesday after the crest. I worked at UND and rode an Oskosh snow plow into town to help retrieve computers at the federal building downtown. Even 4 days after the crest, the water was high enough to come into the back end of the snow plow as we slowly drove into town and back. Anyone wanting a DVD e-mail me and I will send it along with a written narrative. I now live in Sioux Falls SD, and what a difference 310 miles makes. As I write this the town of Fargo is struggling with a flood of even greater magnitude with hopes the dykes hold and they do not lose all. Time will tell. MSgtUSAFret ( talk) 16:36, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
I plan on bringing the article up to Good article status in the next few weeks. I'm planning on using sources from two books I got at my campus's library and will search for online sources after that. If there are any errors, please correct them, and the article may be changed quite a bit as I create new sections for the information I find. -- Nehrams2020 23:39, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
As far as getting this to GA status, I think this article is well on its way. One thing that I think could be confusing is that, although parts of the article deal with the flood in Canada, most of the article is focused on the flood in the U.S. - namely in Grand Forks. Many of the sections (Origins, Preparations, Donations and damages, Criticism and blame, Recovery, Future flood prevention, and Cultural references) really only deal with the flood in Grand Forks. If I was unfamiliar with the events of 1997, I think I might find that a bit confusing. -- MatthewUND( talk) 23:29, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
I have split the article and removed information from this page so it isn't duplicated in the two daughter articles. I'll continue to work on 1997 Red River Flood in the United States and bring it to GAN hopefully within the week. -- Nehrams2020 22:52, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
I just placed the merge tempalte without being aware of teh above discussion; I suppose of this had been "in the United States" I might not have noticed; but I see no reason for them to be separate, other than the bulk of inforamtion. Flood-control efforts were bi-national and it's hard to talk about the one without talking also about the other; rather than breaking this on "national" lines I think the river is a single "organism" and this was one event, not two..... Skookum1 ( talk) 16:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm in favour of the merge, as discussion of either needs to over-lap. Also un-mentioned in the devastation in Grand Forks as compared to Canadian towns/Winnipeg is the differing methods of Crest calculation. At the time, in ND, the average of the expected range was announced as the expected crest. In MB, the highest point of the range was used. This tended to result in better preperations, north of the US/Canada border —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.126.163.20 ( talk) 20:17, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
There is no citation listed for the closing sentence in the Prior Flood section “Homes not damaged in that flood were incorrectly assumed to be safe from a future flood.” I am researching the potential for catastrophic floods. One section looks into the perceptions held by the general populations regarding risk. A citation for your closing sentence would be helpful to my research. Thank You. Rharmon1200 ( talk) 18:09, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
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I added the "Societal Response" Section along with the information and citations that go with it. -- Mhubbe2 ( talk) 23:39, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
Citations missing for the entire overview section, the first paragraph for the "Previous floods" section, and the first paragraph for the "Impacts" section. -- Mhubbe2 ( talk) 23:39, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
This article is quite Manitoba-centric -- quite inappropriate considering most of the damage was done in Grand Forks. Unfortunately, I don't have much direct knowledge of the floods, so this is going to take a bit of research. Care to help? -- Alexwcovington 16:08, 12 May 2004 (UTC)
I don't think it's style to use the definite article in the title. - Montréalais 17:27, 12 May 2004 (UTC)
I'm not very happy with the title of this article. It seems a little confusing to have a comma in a title. Would "Red River Flood of 1997" be better? -- MatthewUND 06:17, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
I think it's fine either way. Subsurd 07:35, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
Ugh, now it's too North Dakota-centric. -- AtomicCactus 07:42, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
This statement needs clarification: “There was overabundant snowfall the past winter. A total of 98.6 inches (250 cm) of snow accumulated.”
In what city was this number? Does “accumulation” mean the snow that was on the ground at the end of winter or the total snowfall over the winter? My recollection is that for Fargo the previous record snowfall for a winter was 89.9 inches, and then Fargo got about 120 inches of snowfall in the winter of 1996-97, exceeding the previous record by a third. This is my unresearched recollection.
Olivia
I'd think it would be informative to provide a table of the final river crest levels for each major city along the river. In light of the current flooding of the Red in 2006, I've seen incorrect information pop up in current news reports comparing this year's flood to 1997 (GF's crest of 54 feet in 1997 was recently used to incorrectly contrast against Fargo's projected crest of 37.5 feet for this year). -- Djamund 04 Apr 2006
I think that's a good idea. I wouldn't mind seeing a Fargo-Moorhead section either. Subsurd 18:36, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
As I remember, one of the problems involved the river flowing from south to north. The land in the south thawed earlier (naturally), but the water couldn't drain easily because further north the river was still choked with ice.
The arial photo below the photo of the river gaudge seems to not be from 1997. The Blue Moose Bar and Grill building is not in the photo- at the time of the 1997 flood it was located just south of DeMers Ave between Opticare and the dike. The Pillsbary Bridge still has rails and ties on it. At the time of the flood, the bridge had been converted to a pedestrian bridge, with a fence lineing the sides. - JWGreen 13:37, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Correct
I was there and suffered through ALL of it.
There was over 100 inches of snow ON THE GROUND. We had a blizzard. The temperature rose above freezing, then it rained.
Fargo got hit first - being south of Grand Forks some 75 miles, they experienced overland flooding first as a result of the frozen ground not being able to absorb the melting snow and rain runoff. The water literally ran across I-29 towards the river.
All the bridges spanning the river at Grand Forks dammed the river ice and contributed to the rising waters.
They dropped soot at dynamited the ice to no avail.
Prior to the main dykes breaking that Friday night we were sandbagging to 35 feet - the figure they said would be the crest. (makeshift signs appeared after the flooding stating "35 feet my ass")
The damage was unbelievable. Because Grand Forks is in a bend of the river - the water flowed through town (path of least resistance). In that water was everything you could imagine - animals, fuel oil, diesel,gas, and sewage. Dumpsters became lethal as they plowed through fences and into homes.
Along the river neighborhoods on both sides were picnic tables in tress, and decks ripped free and travelling towards Canada.
I have a video I made the Wednesday after the crest. I worked at UND and rode an Oskosh snow plow into town to help retrieve computers at the federal building downtown. Even 4 days after the crest, the water was high enough to come into the back end of the snow plow as we slowly drove into town and back. Anyone wanting a DVD e-mail me and I will send it along with a written narrative. I now live in Sioux Falls SD, and what a difference 310 miles makes. As I write this the town of Fargo is struggling with a flood of even greater magnitude with hopes the dykes hold and they do not lose all. Time will tell. MSgtUSAFret ( talk) 16:36, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
I plan on bringing the article up to Good article status in the next few weeks. I'm planning on using sources from two books I got at my campus's library and will search for online sources after that. If there are any errors, please correct them, and the article may be changed quite a bit as I create new sections for the information I find. -- Nehrams2020 23:39, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
As far as getting this to GA status, I think this article is well on its way. One thing that I think could be confusing is that, although parts of the article deal with the flood in Canada, most of the article is focused on the flood in the U.S. - namely in Grand Forks. Many of the sections (Origins, Preparations, Donations and damages, Criticism and blame, Recovery, Future flood prevention, and Cultural references) really only deal with the flood in Grand Forks. If I was unfamiliar with the events of 1997, I think I might find that a bit confusing. -- MatthewUND( talk) 23:29, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
I have split the article and removed information from this page so it isn't duplicated in the two daughter articles. I'll continue to work on 1997 Red River Flood in the United States and bring it to GAN hopefully within the week. -- Nehrams2020 22:52, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
I just placed the merge tempalte without being aware of teh above discussion; I suppose of this had been "in the United States" I might not have noticed; but I see no reason for them to be separate, other than the bulk of inforamtion. Flood-control efforts were bi-national and it's hard to talk about the one without talking also about the other; rather than breaking this on "national" lines I think the river is a single "organism" and this was one event, not two..... Skookum1 ( talk) 16:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm in favour of the merge, as discussion of either needs to over-lap. Also un-mentioned in the devastation in Grand Forks as compared to Canadian towns/Winnipeg is the differing methods of Crest calculation. At the time, in ND, the average of the expected range was announced as the expected crest. In MB, the highest point of the range was used. This tended to result in better preperations, north of the US/Canada border —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.126.163.20 ( talk) 20:17, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
There is no citation listed for the closing sentence in the Prior Flood section “Homes not damaged in that flood were incorrectly assumed to be safe from a future flood.” I am researching the potential for catastrophic floods. One section looks into the perceptions held by the general populations regarding risk. A citation for your closing sentence would be helpful to my research. Thank You. Rharmon1200 ( talk) 18:09, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
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@ Nikkimaria If you don't know yet, Infobox flood is now deprecated, and process in currently underway to replace it with Infobox weather event. Yes, it's not really a significant change, but for me, it's still necessary. It's likely if someone in the future wants to upgrade this article to GA for example, they'll definitely wanted this article to use the newer template. Just a small, harmless update; all data in the old template will be retained. PEACE SEARCHΞR [Talk] 00:56, 17 September 2023 (UTC) PEACE SEARCHΞR [Talk] 00:56, 17 September 2023 (UTC)