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On 30 August 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to 1988 Hyderabad killings. The result of the discussion was Moved to 1988 killings in Hyderabad, Sindh. |
I'm trying to find if this event is really called "massacre" in RS, but it seems more RS call it as "Black Friday" or simply describe the events without a name. As such, the "massacre" in the title seems POV. Requesting Mar4d, Bookku etc for input. VR talk 00:40, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Moved to 1988 killings in Hyderabad, Sindh. With considerations to the previous discussion that had taken place just a day before this RM is opened, there is a consensus to move the page. However, as raised by several participants, the proposed title will confuse and astonish readers, thus moving to the alternate proposed title. ( closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky ( talk) 02:06, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
1988 Hyderabad, Sindh massacre → 1988 Hyderabad killings – As discussed in the section above, the current name is a WP:POVNAME. "Killings" was suggested as least POV. VR talk 03:51, 30 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky ( talk) 15:31, 11 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 17:39, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
First of all, it couldn't have happened during the Zia regime because Zia was assassinated on August 17, 1988.
Which brings us to the second issue, it couldn't have happened in September 1988 because it would mean the caretaker govt did it. It's in no historical reference if it was such a case. It's well known that this operation was against MQM but MQM participated in the 1988 elections under the name of "haq parast group".
Thirdly, now that it's evident that this couldn't be done by a dead dictator or the caretaker govt, it most certainly was done during the first Benazir govt. Which makes sense because MQM had a falling out with the PPP govt in 1989 after spending a year in the coalition govt in Sindh. In May 1990 there was a notorious search operation carried out by the same govt in Hyderabad's "Pucca Qilla" ( [1] https://tribune.com.pk/story/1420945/mqm-observes-27th-anniversary-pucca-qila-tragedy) so a logical conclusion would be September 1990 instead of September 1988. 2400:ADC1:194:EA00:C52E:70FE:341:E471 ( talk) 13:40, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
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On 30 August 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to 1988 Hyderabad killings. The result of the discussion was Moved to 1988 killings in Hyderabad, Sindh. |
I'm trying to find if this event is really called "massacre" in RS, but it seems more RS call it as "Black Friday" or simply describe the events without a name. As such, the "massacre" in the title seems POV. Requesting Mar4d, Bookku etc for input. VR talk 00:40, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Moved to 1988 killings in Hyderabad, Sindh. With considerations to the previous discussion that had taken place just a day before this RM is opened, there is a consensus to move the page. However, as raised by several participants, the proposed title will confuse and astonish readers, thus moving to the alternate proposed title. ( closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky ( talk) 02:06, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
1988 Hyderabad, Sindh massacre → 1988 Hyderabad killings – As discussed in the section above, the current name is a WP:POVNAME. "Killings" was suggested as least POV. VR talk 03:51, 30 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky ( talk) 15:31, 11 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 17:39, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
First of all, it couldn't have happened during the Zia regime because Zia was assassinated on August 17, 1988.
Which brings us to the second issue, it couldn't have happened in September 1988 because it would mean the caretaker govt did it. It's in no historical reference if it was such a case. It's well known that this operation was against MQM but MQM participated in the 1988 elections under the name of "haq parast group".
Thirdly, now that it's evident that this couldn't be done by a dead dictator or the caretaker govt, it most certainly was done during the first Benazir govt. Which makes sense because MQM had a falling out with the PPP govt in 1989 after spending a year in the coalition govt in Sindh. In May 1990 there was a notorious search operation carried out by the same govt in Hyderabad's "Pucca Qilla" ( [1] https://tribune.com.pk/story/1420945/mqm-observes-27th-anniversary-pucca-qila-tragedy) so a logical conclusion would be September 1990 instead of September 1988. 2400:ADC1:194:EA00:C52E:70FE:341:E471 ( talk) 13:40, 25 January 2023 (UTC)