Happy to be challenged on, or discuss, any of my review comments. I'll make what I consider to be uncontroversial minor edits as I got through. (Note: I've made one edit to the article previously - to disambiguate a link.) Regards,
BennyOnTheLoose (
talk) 19:38, 2 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Copyvio and plagiarism?
Earwig's Copyvio Detector shows 6.5%. I checked through all matches of 1% or above and have no concerns.
Looking at
WP:CAPLENGTH I believe that adding captions showing when the pictures were taken is optional, but as these pictures are 19 and 25 years after the final, it could be considered (e.g. "Davis in 2010").
I've added a small caption. They did exist before, but the formatting stopped them from being displayed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski(
talk •
contribs) 18:28, 7 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Consider adding something to the box to show that the stats are as at the time of the final. Whilst this will be obvious for ages, it's not so obvious for world rankings, and as we know (it's covered under "Legacy" here), Davis went on to win a further three world titles as well as being runner-up in 1986.
Some of the info in the pic boxes is not exactly sourced in the article.(e.g. championships/finals (not quite sourced in the match report section, which is less specific); ages; Taylor's seeding.)
I have sourced these items/added to the body. If anything is missing let me know. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski(
talk •
contribs) 18:28, 7 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Road to the final
"Australian" but no other nationalities mentioned. I think it can probably be omitted as the table which includes nationalities is just below.
"Davis was strong favourite going into the tournament .." - doesn't this belong in "Road to the final"?
I've spaced this as the Road being for the preceding rounds, whilst the match report covers the prior meetings to this match in particular (which is what this sentence leads into.) Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski(
talk •
contribs) 18:28, 7 September 2020 (UTC)reply
The final frame
Might be worth mentioning what happened on the blue and pink - article currently goes from Taylor potting brown to it being decided on the black.
Hmm, none of my sources (other than the video), really cover this. Should I just cite the video? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski(
talk •
contribs) 16:12, 8 September 2020 (UTC)reply
I'm not sure that it would be obvious to a reader not familiar with snooker that the numbers in brackets next to the frame scores are breaks. (I had a go at a final table for
1981 World Snooker Championship, but that probably has its own issues.)
'"around the angles"' / '"cocked hat" shot' should probably be explained.
I've linked it. I'm not sure what else you can say. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski(
talk •
contribs) 18:28, 7 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Note: I was expecting a bit more under legacy, but actually having looked at a few snooker books, this section covers it as is. (The books basically all refer to it as "the greatest" snooker match, but not linked to any info about effects on participation in the sport, prize money, international appeal etc.)
References
22 and 23 (ESPN) seem to be the same source so could be combined.
The first BBC link requires registration, and I guess may not be available outside the UK. I'm not sure whether it passes
WP:ELREG. Should this be kept?
For me, the second BBC link causes a .ram file to download rather than opening a site.
"played on the weekend of 27–28 April" consider reword to cover off the overspill into the early hours of Monday mentioned in the following paragraph.
I think we already cover this with the timed finish. We don't do this on tournamnent articles, so I'd rather not set a precident. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski(
talk •
contribs) 15:56, 8 September 2020 (UTC)reply
"reaching the zenith of its popularity" - I don't think this is included in the main article.
"the eighth year of the BBC's coverage" looks uncited.
I couldn't find a suitable place to shoehorn it in, so I've (regretfully) cited in the lede. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski(
talk •
contribs) 15:56, 8 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Is it worth futureproofing the last para slightly by adding some "As of 2020 .." or equivalent statements?
Initial comments above,
Lee Vilenski. Nothing major, but I may have some further comments later, after looking over some sources again. Thanks for your work on this.
BennyOnTheLoose (
talk) 11:57, 7 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Happy to be challenged on, or discuss, any of my review comments. I'll make what I consider to be uncontroversial minor edits as I got through. (Note: I've made one edit to the article previously - to disambiguate a link.) Regards,
BennyOnTheLoose (
talk) 19:38, 2 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Copyvio and plagiarism?
Earwig's Copyvio Detector shows 6.5%. I checked through all matches of 1% or above and have no concerns.
Looking at
WP:CAPLENGTH I believe that adding captions showing when the pictures were taken is optional, but as these pictures are 19 and 25 years after the final, it could be considered (e.g. "Davis in 2010").
I've added a small caption. They did exist before, but the formatting stopped them from being displayed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski(
talk •
contribs) 18:28, 7 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Consider adding something to the box to show that the stats are as at the time of the final. Whilst this will be obvious for ages, it's not so obvious for world rankings, and as we know (it's covered under "Legacy" here), Davis went on to win a further three world titles as well as being runner-up in 1986.
Some of the info in the pic boxes is not exactly sourced in the article.(e.g. championships/finals (not quite sourced in the match report section, which is less specific); ages; Taylor's seeding.)
I have sourced these items/added to the body. If anything is missing let me know. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski(
talk •
contribs) 18:28, 7 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Road to the final
"Australian" but no other nationalities mentioned. I think it can probably be omitted as the table which includes nationalities is just below.
"Davis was strong favourite going into the tournament .." - doesn't this belong in "Road to the final"?
I've spaced this as the Road being for the preceding rounds, whilst the match report covers the prior meetings to this match in particular (which is what this sentence leads into.) Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski(
talk •
contribs) 18:28, 7 September 2020 (UTC)reply
The final frame
Might be worth mentioning what happened on the blue and pink - article currently goes from Taylor potting brown to it being decided on the black.
Hmm, none of my sources (other than the video), really cover this. Should I just cite the video? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski(
talk •
contribs) 16:12, 8 September 2020 (UTC)reply
I'm not sure that it would be obvious to a reader not familiar with snooker that the numbers in brackets next to the frame scores are breaks. (I had a go at a final table for
1981 World Snooker Championship, but that probably has its own issues.)
'"around the angles"' / '"cocked hat" shot' should probably be explained.
I've linked it. I'm not sure what else you can say. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski(
talk •
contribs) 18:28, 7 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Note: I was expecting a bit more under legacy, but actually having looked at a few snooker books, this section covers it as is. (The books basically all refer to it as "the greatest" snooker match, but not linked to any info about effects on participation in the sport, prize money, international appeal etc.)
References
22 and 23 (ESPN) seem to be the same source so could be combined.
The first BBC link requires registration, and I guess may not be available outside the UK. I'm not sure whether it passes
WP:ELREG. Should this be kept?
For me, the second BBC link causes a .ram file to download rather than opening a site.
"played on the weekend of 27–28 April" consider reword to cover off the overspill into the early hours of Monday mentioned in the following paragraph.
I think we already cover this with the timed finish. We don't do this on tournamnent articles, so I'd rather not set a precident. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski(
talk •
contribs) 15:56, 8 September 2020 (UTC)reply
"reaching the zenith of its popularity" - I don't think this is included in the main article.
"the eighth year of the BBC's coverage" looks uncited.
I couldn't find a suitable place to shoehorn it in, so I've (regretfully) cited in the lede. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski(
talk •
contribs) 15:56, 8 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Is it worth futureproofing the last para slightly by adding some "As of 2020 .." or equivalent statements?
Initial comments above,
Lee Vilenski. Nothing major, but I may have some further comments later, after looking over some sources again. Thanks for your work on this.
BennyOnTheLoose (
talk) 11:57, 7 September 2020 (UTC)reply