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Strictly speaking, this wasn't the first World Cup. It was the first FIFA World Cup. Sir Thomas Lipton organised an international tournament, in the early 1900's which was also dubbed the The Sir Thomas Lipton Trophy or "The Lipton Crown of Italy World Cup" (websites differ on the name), so I'm not sure whether the words "World Cup" were used contemporaneously.
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http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/congress/9/worldcup.htm http://www.west-auckland.wear-valley-web.co.uk/history/WorldCup.htm http://www.rsssf.com/tablesl/lipton-trophy.html
Thomas Lipton Cup couldn't be First World Cup in modern terms as it was club competition.
AlexCzech 11:51, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
Strictly speaking that was very euro-centric...The Lipton Trophy was played between club on 1909, the Torneo Internazionale Stampa Sportiva was played on 1908 also by clubs...but the Copa Lipton (yes, the same name) was played on South America from 1905 to 1992 between Argentina and Uruguay, so, national teams! They also play the Newton Cup from 1906...and to clubs, the first international competition was the Tie Cup, played from 1900 with clubs from both sides of the Río de la Plata... 181.29.116.218 ( talk) 19:20, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Football World Cup 1930 → 1930 FIFA World Cup – following the consensus of naming the World Cup articles as FIFA World Cup in Wikipedia, and consistency of naming the major international football tournaments.
Discuss here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Competitions#Requested move of Football World Cup articles. -- Pkchan 10:44, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
What is the point of this section? It was a knockout tournament! I'll remove unless anyone has a good reason to keep it. Guinnog 07:17, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
The rankings were used by FIFA to determine seeds in recent years. The tables from 1978 to present are valid and for consistency we can include the ones from 1930-1974 as well. For that matter FIFA has ranked the early tournaments anyway and a document with those rankings can be found here http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/releases/en/fwc_origin_en.pdf Libro0 17:08, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
The best reason I can think of is the fact that they are now official. It would be a good addition to the articles. In fact I am not sure why they aren't included. Libro0 ( talk) 02:37, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Strange, the Spanish wikipedia claims that the third-place match was planned but that Yugoslavia refused to play in protest against partial refereeing in their semifinal. Can anyone confirm or disprove this?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.244.139.218 ( talk • contribs) 08:03, June 23, 2006.
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.politika.rs%2Frubrike%2FSport%2Fsportske-price%2FMedalja-iz-doma-Hadzijevih-svedochi-da-smo-bili-treci-na-Mundijalu.sr.html&sl=auto&tl=en -- Fixblor 9:58, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
Here's the proof - a 3rd place cup in their hands: http://www.blic.rs/Vesti/Reportaza/172669/Kada-su-fudbaleri-primili-prve-plate Also, form reliable resources, the 2nd goal for Urugai (when result was 1:1) in semifinal was scored after policeman returned the ball into the game from goal-out :)! Same source sais there was NO 3rd place match - Yugoslavia (Serbian players only) was 3rd by agreement because Uruguay took the 1st place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.2.112.62 ( talk) 20:21, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
For the Chile-Mexico game on 16 July, FIFA says the first two goals were scored by Subiabre for Chile. RSSSF says they were scored by Vidal and an own goal by Rosas of Mexico. Which is it? \ Fnarf999 \ talk \ contribs \ 00:35, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Likewise in the Argentina-Chile game of 22 July, FIFA says the Chile goal was scored by Subiabre, while RSSSF says Arellano. There appear to be a LOT of these inconsistencies in the Wikipedia data; it makes sorting out who's who and what's what very difficult if not impossible. RSSSF is considered by some to be authoritative. What's Wikipolicy here? \ Fnarf999 \ talk \ contribs \ 00:43, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
And again: Romania-Peru, 14 July: FIFA says the first goal was scored by Desu, RSSSF says Stanciu. \ Fnarf999 \ talk \ contribs \ 01:13, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I understand that, but RSSSF isn't just some dude with a website; it's pretty serious. And these are dramatic differences. Whether or not FIFA is a reliable fact-checker of 1930 events is open to SOME question. I'd like someone with knowledge of this situation to weigh in before just changing it all wholesale.\ Fnarf999 \ talk \ contribs \ 01:13, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Another one: was the second USA goal on 17 July an own goal by González of Paraguay (RSSSF) or a regular goal by Tom Florie (FIFA), or a goal by Bert Patenaude (widely believed but disproven)? \ Fnarf999 \ talk \ contribs \ 01:13, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
OK, I found this, from FIFA World Cup goalscorers: "In earlier tournaments, FIFA match reports are known to be inaccurate, so Cris Freddi's book Complete Book of the World Cup 2006 is used as the most authentic known publication." Hmm.\ Fnarf999 \ talk \ contribs \ 01:13, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, I'm not going to make any changes until I read Freddi's book. I assume that the figures for RSSSF, Freddi, and Wikipedia are in agreement, though with the number of errors I'm finding, I wonder. \ Fnarf999 \ talk \ contribs \ 01:13, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
The more I read about RSSSF, the more I'm inclined to just take them for it, as they HAVE done the research. However, their authoritativeness is undermined by some egregious misspellings of players' names, which is another area where Wikipedia is in a dire condition. RSSSF's official statistics report for 1930, at www.rsssf.com/tables/30full.html, lists "Prequinho", "Scopello" and "Sousa" in the Scorer's List, despite spelling them correctly (Preguinho, Scopelli, Souza or Souza-Ferriera) in the game summaries.
Names are a big issue with me -- it is VERY DIFFICULT to tell players apart when they are customarily referred to in four or five different ways, as is common with Brazilian, Portuguese, Spanish, and Mexican players especially. The non-Latin-character-set players can be problematic as well. There are also players with similar but different names who in some places are receiving credit for each other's goals and stuff. I've also noticed that MANY redlinked players actually DO have pages, just under another version of their name. Man, this needs some serious effort to clean up.
I can't believe that the most popular game in the world has its most basic facts in doubt -- in baseball, by contrast, the most mundane statistical details of players from the 1870s are minutely recorded. Well, I guess you could call it an opportunity.... \ Fnarf999 \ talk \ contribs \ 18:19, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Groups in the 1930 and subsequent world cups were not called "A", "B", "C", "D"; they were called by ordinal or roman numbers, as in "Groups 1-4" or "I-IV", or "First-Fourth", as far as I know. Letters were used for the first time in 1974, when the first round groups were called "1-4" and the second round groups "A" and "B". According to Oceano's "Enciclopedia Mundial del Futbol", Vol. 1, "El Libro del Mundial" by Eduardo Arias ( ISBN 958-02-0853-0), and the fifaworldcup.com site's " Previous world cups" section (under "Results"), this is how the gropus were called in the world cups:
Tournament | Group "names" |
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1930 FIFA World Cup | Groups "I-IV" |
1934 FIFA World Cup | No groups |
1950 FIFA World Cup
1954 FIFA World Cup |
Groups "I-IV" |
1974 FIFA World Cup | 1st Round: Groups "I-IV"
2nd Round: Groups "A", "B" |
1982 FIFA World Cup | 1st Round: Groups "I-VI"
2nd Round: Groups "A-D" |
1986 FIFA World Cup | Groups "A-F" |
1998 FIFA World Cup | Groups "A-H" |
This is an often ignored detail and it might be very trivial, but I think it would be worth it to make the change to help achieve greater accuracy. - ChaChaFut 00:20, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Has anyone got any information on the World Cup referees for the first tournament? Am looking to fill in some biographical details and enter some category. Please check my Jean Langenus entry for ideas. One of the people I am most interested in finding out about is Thomas Balway. Further information on him would be most appreciated.
I reverted an edit that pit an "Awards" subheading as I think it is excessive to create an extra subheading just for a box with a flag in it. Oldelpaso 17:13, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Please address the one issue below and let me know...
Jazznutuva 08:46, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Laurent's memories are fuzzy when he affirms that it was snowing in the match France v Mexico. It never snows in Montevideo. I added a phrase that pointed this out, but it was removed. I think it should be stated that, even though Laurent did say that, it wasn't like that. I'm not sure which is the best way to point this out, though. Opinions? Ipsumesse ( talk) 12:26, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
"The US team, which contained one ex-professional of British origin,[14] and some international migrants along with mostly natural-born players, were reputedly dubbed "the shot-putters" by an unnamed source in the French contingent"
Can we delete those sentences? The make up of no other team is discussed, and it seems rather silly to comment on the US team as if it was anything special. I don't think this is the proper article for that. Farkeld ( talk) 10:01, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
I am reassessing this articles GA status as part of the WP:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force/Sweeps process. Jezhotwells ( talk) 18:57, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Quick fail criteria assessment
No problems found when checking against quick fail criteria. Proceeding to substantive review. Jezhotwells ( talk) 19:01, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
I concur with this. if you look at the pages for the individual players, 10 were born in the US, 5 in Scotland, and 1 in the UK. Of the foreign-born players only 3 played overseas--and one of those did so after starting his career in the US. Also, almost all of the foreign born players came over to the US as youth. Glanville is not known for his neutrality. At the least, replacing "migrants" with "immigrants" would be preferable and more neutral. Kgilbert78 ( talk) 16:02, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
A few years ago, FIFA seem to have decided that the USA finished third and Yugoslavia fourth. Does anyone have the details of when and why this was done? first remember it in this press release for the 2006 World Cup giving full rankings for all previous World Cups. Was it just somebody updating the website who decided to fit a square peg into a round hole, or was there an official announcement, as there have been when, say, goals are reassigned or squad players awarded medals? It's not good enough for this and other articles simply to cite FIFA saying that USA were third and Yugoslavia fourth; an explanation for the discrepancy is required. jnestorius( talk) 10:29, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
There is no point in speculating about how much thought went into FIFA's decision to escalate this one factoid from a statistical footnote to the general website. Since it has their imprimatur, Wikipedia must abide. However, there is nothing to prevent us putting a footnote against references to this 3rd-4th statistic at the relevant mentions on Wikipedia, to explain the anomaly. jnestorius( talk) 12:23, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi Oldelpaso, I thought it better to leave some comments here rather than clutter up the main FAC. Hope they help:
Hope these help. The Rambling Man ( talk) 16:02, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
For example, why is Chile ranked above Brazil? Chile had more points from the group stage, but also played one extra game. Is this from some official FIFA source? Grover cleveland ( talk) 17:09, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps mentioning that Yugoslavia squad consisted only of Serbian players could be a useful addition to the Participants section. Prior to the World Cup Yugoslav national championships between 1926 and 1930 were all won by clubs from Croatia ( Građanski Zagreb, Hajduk Split and Concordia Zagreb) and players from those clubs were regularly included in Yugoslavia squads for the 1924 and 1928 Olympics as well as various international friendlies. However, due to political circumstances at the time of the January 6th Dictatorship (which lasted between 1929 and 1934), the Football Association of Yugoslavia moved its headquarters from Zagreb (where it had been originally founded in 1919) in Croatia to Yugoslavia's capital Belgrade in Serbia in May 1930, two months before the 1930 World Cup. In protest, Croatian clubs decided to boycott the national team and in response the Belgrade-based football federation sent a team which consisted of players from Serbian clubs (mostly based in or near Belgrade) plus three Serbian players who played in France. Therefore their win against Brazil was seen as a remarkable achievement at home as many players who had made the World Cup squad were seen as second string players. On the other hand, despite the fact that Croatian clubs had dominated Yugoslav football in the late 1920s, not a single Croat had appeared in the 1930 World Cup (and neither did the Slovenian Maksimilijan Mihelčić who was at the time the Yugoslav national team's first choice goalkeeper). If others agree with including something about this in the article, I could look up references to back this up. Timbouctou ( talk) 03:46, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
Am I right to think the tournament was not officially called the "World Cup" at the time, but rather the "World Championship"? It's common to use the name of a trophy as a metonym for the competition, but I think the official naming history is something like this:
Year | Tournament official name | Trophy official name |
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1930 | World Football Championship | World Cup |
1946 | World Football Championship | Coupe Jules Rimet |
1974 | FIFA World Cup | FIFA World Cup |
The posters and logos of tournaments are as follows:
Year | Poster Main title | Other titles |
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1930 | 1er Campeonato Mundial de Football | |
1934 | Campionato Mondiale di Calcio | Coppa del Mondo·Coupe du Monde·World's Cup·Weltmeistersschaft·Copa del Mundo |
1938 | Coupe du Monde | |
1950 | IV Campeonato Mundial de Futebol | Taça Jules Rimet |
1954 | Championnat du Monde De Football | |
1958 | Coupe Jules Rimet | |
1962 | Campeonato Mundial de Futbol / World Football Championship / Championnat Mondial de Football | Coupe Jules Rimet |
1966 | World Cup | |
1970 | IX football world championship | |
1974 | Fußball-Weltmeisterschaft 1974 / FIFA World Cup 1974 / Coupe du Monde de la FIFA 1974 / Copa Mondiale de la FIFA 1974 | |
1978 | XI Campeonato Mundial de Fútbol |
Of course I'm not suggesting the article should be moved to "1930 World football championship" or the like, but if the former official name was something other than "World Cup" then it ought to be given in the lede. jnestorius( talk) 16:23, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
Nop jnestorius, you can see the medals "Coupe du Monde" https://media.elobservador.com.uy/adjuntos/181/imagenes/007/478/0007478052.jpg Also in all argentine newspapers of that time are called Copa del Mundo or Mundial 181.29.116.218 ( talk) 21:13, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
WOuld it make sense to state in the attribute what country Laurent is from? I don't know who he is and had to look him up to see why he would be quoted there. COuld something like this be added "member of the French team" or was he the by chance the Captain and we could say, "Captain of French team"? Rhodesisland ( talk) 23:24, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Alaska didn't become a state until 1959. Grover cleveland ( talk) 06:49, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
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in which place did the first worldcup played? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.199.162.163 ( talk) 13:49, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
There have been a few edits recently about the third/fourth place issue, putting Yugoslavia third. This is a murky area, but all the points of view are explained and attributed in the Third and fourth place section. If changes are to occur anywhere, it should be in that section that it is done. In terms of the actual third and fourth positions in the infobox etc, if we are to separate the USA and Yugoslavia, it is FIFA's tournament, so it is their ranking that we use.
There is also a slow burning edit was as to the exact flag and name used for Yugoslavia. I suggest the editors involved discuss it here instead of just switching it back and forth. Oldelpaso ( talk) 20:17, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Bronze Medal from Montevideo proves that Yugoslavia was 3rd. Its real since sing on medal is written in Spanish and year is 1930. There isn't better evidence than this is real medal. Snake bgd 20:42, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Here is translation form the text form Newspaper: "Bronze Medal, unique in-house, is the legacy of Dr. Kosta and it testifies to the success of most of our football. This is proof that we were third, although most states for decades that we have completed the distribution of the seats, and Fifa's website today says: 3 place the United States, 4th Yugoslavia. So it was after all - 3rd Yugoslavia, 4th United States - and one of the explanations for such an order is that we lost in the semifinals of the World Cup and that is why we have the advantage over the Americans." Snake bgd 20:45, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Newspapers form 1930. On July 31 1930, page 9, title translated form Serbian (Uruguay is third time World champion; Yugoslavia takes third place). Also on August 1 1930, page 8, both national teams Yugoslavia and USA made deal, main title form newspaper is (Bloody clashes in Argentina over lost game), subtitle (Why we didn't play against USA). Snake bgd 21:29, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
The medals are evidence of what FIFA did in 1930. We are responsible for reporting the case as it is known in 2013. The truth in 2013 is that FIFA reports third place as having been credited uniquely to the US. We might individually believe that it is unreasonable of FIFA to have made such a conclusion 56 years after the event, but we cannot as encyclopaedic editors pretend that they did not. Kevin McE ( talk) 00:12, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
The "bronze" medals where given to all the captains of the NO finalist teams, look the Chile's captain one: https://i0.wp.com/magiccity.soccer/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/1930-medal.png (Was the captain of the first 2 matches, don't play on the last match) 181.29.116.218 ( talk) 21:27, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
The other issue mentioned by the OP is that of the flag. It seems counter-intuitive to represent the country by its naval flag in a realm that clearly has no direct connection to maritime forces. I will restore the KoY flag, and ask that compelling reason for the naval flag be presented before any restoration of that variant.
Kevin McE (
talk) 18:37, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
The Uruguayan media was also impressed by the Peruvian performance. See [2]. The current structure of the paragraph places Peru in bad light, making it seem as if the Peruvians were happy to lose. The pride comes in the style and form of play shown by the Peruvian team, lauded both in Peru and Uruguay.-- MarshalN20 | Talk 00:54, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
Why is there used flag of Argentina without sun? It's not symbol of Argentina. Actual flag of Argentina was used before 1930 World Cup Aight 2009 ( talk) 20:02, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
Can someone add Yugoslavia to the participant map? 1.126.255.253 ( talk) 02:23, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
I see both the reports and goalscoring data is missed from the main page, remaining only in the groups' articles. I think that info is too important for remaining hidden in another article, and it should be brought back. Besides, it's a bit incoherent to use different game-formats for the Group Phase and the Knockout Stages. Ipsumesse ( talk) 23:02, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Why was "not" played the Third Place Match? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.88.217.93 ( talk) 07:34, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Because this match was "not" established until 1934, for the only time in the history. Twillihero Grumicker ( Messages) 20:03, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
Is the fact that Bolivia's match versus Yugoslavia was the only one played by the Bolivians against non-South American opposition until 1972 not notable enough? 1982vdven ( talk) 17:05, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
First I would like to point out, that FIFA cannot be the ultimate source for everything. In numerous debates I was told that per Wikipedia:Identifying and using independent sources, the neutral, independent sources like newspapers can be better than what some organization has to say about itself on its webpage. So, why are we making exception here?
Second, the "proof" for USA 3rd place is Florie's medal, but Yugoslavia players got the exact same medal, seen here by Marjanović: http://sport.blic.rs/fudbal/svetski-fudbal/mocnici-vole-da-menjaju-fudbal-od-tirketa-i-mose-pa-do-mundijala-sa-48-reprezentacija/mtb6svt
Third: Yugoslavia has that other bronze medal that USA don't have, seen in many many sources:
Fourth, contemporary newspaper sources from 1930 indicate that Yugoslavia was third, that their anthem was played etc. and also explain why, there are also many, I'll put just one: http://digitalna.nb.rs/wb/NBS/novine/vreme/1930/08/01#page/7/mode/1up
So, there are no indications for USA third place except self published FIFA statements, that aren't supported by any relevant, contemporary or independent sources. Therefore I propose to put Yugoslavia in third place. Linhart ( talk) 10:41, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
All the captains of the non-finalist teams received "bronze" medals, not only those from the USA and Yugoslavia, as example the medal of the Chile's captain: https://i0.wp.com/magiccity.soccer/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/1930-medal.png 181.29.116.218 ( talk) 21:31, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
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This article fails criterion 2b of the featured article criteria: appropriate structure. There are too many one sentence/single paragraph sections. I can see that the structure matches that chosen for all FIFA World Cup articles, of which none except this one are featured articles. So, there is a decision to be made: keep the same structure here as the other articles and list the article for potential demotion, or change the structure of this article so that it is inconsistent with the others but consistent with the featured article criteria. Whether to change the other articles to match the featured structure is a decision that would need to be made across articles not just this one. DrKay ( talk) 15:52, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
The start time of the Yugoslavia v Brazil match was 14:45 (local), not 12:45 http://www.digitalna.nb.rs/wb/NBS/novine/vreme/1930/07/16#page/7/mode/1up Eu-football-info ( talk) 06:10, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
The Participating countries graphic is quite unclear what it is trying to represent the key references a number (including a very large 5-13 category) but no mention of what this is actually describing. I suggest it either needs to be removed, or updated to be more clear on what the numbers are supposed to represent. Fulner ( talk) 16:52, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
In the article there is no mention of Bulgaria, which was not among the 13 participating nations. But it may actually have been due to participate.
In a discussion in 2016, I said I personally wasn't aware of such a thing. However, today the official FIFA World Cup page on Facebook shared a poster of the 1930 World Cup that displays a total of 14 flags, including Bulgaria's.
This 2014 article by 24 chasa tells of the same poster. It says, among other things, that Bulgaria was one of the invited teams, but had to decline because the players couldn't get long enough leaves from work, and only then the invitation was instead given to Yugoslavia, which, boycotted by the Croats and composed only of players of two Belgrade clubs, went on to finish third, the best result in its history.
Although this implies that only one of Bulgaria and Yugoslavia was due to participate at any given time, a red-blue-white tricolour is depicted in the poster as well.
Meanwhile, the Bulgaria national football team article still has an unsourced section on the 1930 World Cup, which states, in its entirety, "Bulgaria's first qualification to a World Cup was for the first World Cup in 1930 in Uruguay. The national team had to cancel their entry due to flight delays caused by tropical storms and hurricanes on the Atlantic Ocean. Their original group stage opponents were set as Brazil, Yugoslavia and Bolivia."
I think that, if the credibility of such a thing can be established, Bulgaria should be mentioned as an invited non-participating team. -- Theurgist ( talk) 23:13, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
Shouldn't the flag of Yugoslavia in the infobox be changed? This was in 1930, before the communist government which pushed in the flag with the red star in the middle. It's kind of a minor thing, and I was going to change it myself, but it said to discuss this on the talk page. Fernsong ( talk) 23:26, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
Assessing as part of the ongoing FA sweeps at WP:URFA/2020. This article contains uncited statements, and uses a self-published source in a few spots (I've tagged the self-published spots). With these sourcing issues, this article currently does not meet WP:FACR and may require a featured article review. Hog Farm Talk 22:42, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
I have doubts that Egypt has lost the boat or even that it is registered in the championship, I have never been able to find any document or newspaper of the time that supports it, I think that this should be eliminated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eduardo5890 ( talk • contribs) 06:08, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
https://koraapedia.com/%d9%85%d8%b5%d8%b1-%d9%81%d9%8a-%d8%aa%d8%b5%d9%81%d9%8a%d8%a7%d8%aa-%d8%a7%d9%84%d9%85%d9%88%d9%86%d8%af%d9%8a%d8%a7%d9%84-%d8%ac1/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eduardo5890 ( talk • contribs) 20:21, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
The USA didn’t win. Uruguay did. Somedev123Gtg ( talk) 12:33, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
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Strictly speaking, this wasn't the first World Cup. It was the first FIFA World Cup. Sir Thomas Lipton organised an international tournament, in the early 1900's which was also dubbed the The Sir Thomas Lipton Trophy or "The Lipton Crown of Italy World Cup" (websites differ on the name), so I'm not sure whether the words "World Cup" were used contemporaneously.
See:
http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/congress/9/worldcup.htm http://www.west-auckland.wear-valley-web.co.uk/history/WorldCup.htm http://www.rsssf.com/tablesl/lipton-trophy.html
Thomas Lipton Cup couldn't be First World Cup in modern terms as it was club competition.
AlexCzech 11:51, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
Strictly speaking that was very euro-centric...The Lipton Trophy was played between club on 1909, the Torneo Internazionale Stampa Sportiva was played on 1908 also by clubs...but the Copa Lipton (yes, the same name) was played on South America from 1905 to 1992 between Argentina and Uruguay, so, national teams! They also play the Newton Cup from 1906...and to clubs, the first international competition was the Tie Cup, played from 1900 with clubs from both sides of the Río de la Plata... 181.29.116.218 ( talk) 19:20, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Football World Cup 1930 → 1930 FIFA World Cup – following the consensus of naming the World Cup articles as FIFA World Cup in Wikipedia, and consistency of naming the major international football tournaments.
Discuss here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Competitions#Requested move of Football World Cup articles. -- Pkchan 10:44, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
What is the point of this section? It was a knockout tournament! I'll remove unless anyone has a good reason to keep it. Guinnog 07:17, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
The rankings were used by FIFA to determine seeds in recent years. The tables from 1978 to present are valid and for consistency we can include the ones from 1930-1974 as well. For that matter FIFA has ranked the early tournaments anyway and a document with those rankings can be found here http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/releases/en/fwc_origin_en.pdf Libro0 17:08, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
The best reason I can think of is the fact that they are now official. It would be a good addition to the articles. In fact I am not sure why they aren't included. Libro0 ( talk) 02:37, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Strange, the Spanish wikipedia claims that the third-place match was planned but that Yugoslavia refused to play in protest against partial refereeing in their semifinal. Can anyone confirm or disprove this?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.244.139.218 ( talk • contribs) 08:03, June 23, 2006.
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.politika.rs%2Frubrike%2FSport%2Fsportske-price%2FMedalja-iz-doma-Hadzijevih-svedochi-da-smo-bili-treci-na-Mundijalu.sr.html&sl=auto&tl=en -- Fixblor 9:58, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
Here's the proof - a 3rd place cup in their hands: http://www.blic.rs/Vesti/Reportaza/172669/Kada-su-fudbaleri-primili-prve-plate Also, form reliable resources, the 2nd goal for Urugai (when result was 1:1) in semifinal was scored after policeman returned the ball into the game from goal-out :)! Same source sais there was NO 3rd place match - Yugoslavia (Serbian players only) was 3rd by agreement because Uruguay took the 1st place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.2.112.62 ( talk) 20:21, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
For the Chile-Mexico game on 16 July, FIFA says the first two goals were scored by Subiabre for Chile. RSSSF says they were scored by Vidal and an own goal by Rosas of Mexico. Which is it? \ Fnarf999 \ talk \ contribs \ 00:35, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Likewise in the Argentina-Chile game of 22 July, FIFA says the Chile goal was scored by Subiabre, while RSSSF says Arellano. There appear to be a LOT of these inconsistencies in the Wikipedia data; it makes sorting out who's who and what's what very difficult if not impossible. RSSSF is considered by some to be authoritative. What's Wikipolicy here? \ Fnarf999 \ talk \ contribs \ 00:43, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
And again: Romania-Peru, 14 July: FIFA says the first goal was scored by Desu, RSSSF says Stanciu. \ Fnarf999 \ talk \ contribs \ 01:13, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I understand that, but RSSSF isn't just some dude with a website; it's pretty serious. And these are dramatic differences. Whether or not FIFA is a reliable fact-checker of 1930 events is open to SOME question. I'd like someone with knowledge of this situation to weigh in before just changing it all wholesale.\ Fnarf999 \ talk \ contribs \ 01:13, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Another one: was the second USA goal on 17 July an own goal by González of Paraguay (RSSSF) or a regular goal by Tom Florie (FIFA), or a goal by Bert Patenaude (widely believed but disproven)? \ Fnarf999 \ talk \ contribs \ 01:13, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
OK, I found this, from FIFA World Cup goalscorers: "In earlier tournaments, FIFA match reports are known to be inaccurate, so Cris Freddi's book Complete Book of the World Cup 2006 is used as the most authentic known publication." Hmm.\ Fnarf999 \ talk \ contribs \ 01:13, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, I'm not going to make any changes until I read Freddi's book. I assume that the figures for RSSSF, Freddi, and Wikipedia are in agreement, though with the number of errors I'm finding, I wonder. \ Fnarf999 \ talk \ contribs \ 01:13, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
The more I read about RSSSF, the more I'm inclined to just take them for it, as they HAVE done the research. However, their authoritativeness is undermined by some egregious misspellings of players' names, which is another area where Wikipedia is in a dire condition. RSSSF's official statistics report for 1930, at www.rsssf.com/tables/30full.html, lists "Prequinho", "Scopello" and "Sousa" in the Scorer's List, despite spelling them correctly (Preguinho, Scopelli, Souza or Souza-Ferriera) in the game summaries.
Names are a big issue with me -- it is VERY DIFFICULT to tell players apart when they are customarily referred to in four or five different ways, as is common with Brazilian, Portuguese, Spanish, and Mexican players especially. The non-Latin-character-set players can be problematic as well. There are also players with similar but different names who in some places are receiving credit for each other's goals and stuff. I've also noticed that MANY redlinked players actually DO have pages, just under another version of their name. Man, this needs some serious effort to clean up.
I can't believe that the most popular game in the world has its most basic facts in doubt -- in baseball, by contrast, the most mundane statistical details of players from the 1870s are minutely recorded. Well, I guess you could call it an opportunity.... \ Fnarf999 \ talk \ contribs \ 18:19, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Groups in the 1930 and subsequent world cups were not called "A", "B", "C", "D"; they were called by ordinal or roman numbers, as in "Groups 1-4" or "I-IV", or "First-Fourth", as far as I know. Letters were used for the first time in 1974, when the first round groups were called "1-4" and the second round groups "A" and "B". According to Oceano's "Enciclopedia Mundial del Futbol", Vol. 1, "El Libro del Mundial" by Eduardo Arias ( ISBN 958-02-0853-0), and the fifaworldcup.com site's " Previous world cups" section (under "Results"), this is how the gropus were called in the world cups:
Tournament | Group "names" |
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1930 FIFA World Cup | Groups "I-IV" |
1934 FIFA World Cup | No groups |
1950 FIFA World Cup
1954 FIFA World Cup |
Groups "I-IV" |
1974 FIFA World Cup | 1st Round: Groups "I-IV"
2nd Round: Groups "A", "B" |
1982 FIFA World Cup | 1st Round: Groups "I-VI"
2nd Round: Groups "A-D" |
1986 FIFA World Cup | Groups "A-F" |
1998 FIFA World Cup | Groups "A-H" |
This is an often ignored detail and it might be very trivial, but I think it would be worth it to make the change to help achieve greater accuracy. - ChaChaFut 00:20, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Has anyone got any information on the World Cup referees for the first tournament? Am looking to fill in some biographical details and enter some category. Please check my Jean Langenus entry for ideas. One of the people I am most interested in finding out about is Thomas Balway. Further information on him would be most appreciated.
I reverted an edit that pit an "Awards" subheading as I think it is excessive to create an extra subheading just for a box with a flag in it. Oldelpaso 17:13, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Please address the one issue below and let me know...
Jazznutuva 08:46, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Laurent's memories are fuzzy when he affirms that it was snowing in the match France v Mexico. It never snows in Montevideo. I added a phrase that pointed this out, but it was removed. I think it should be stated that, even though Laurent did say that, it wasn't like that. I'm not sure which is the best way to point this out, though. Opinions? Ipsumesse ( talk) 12:26, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
"The US team, which contained one ex-professional of British origin,[14] and some international migrants along with mostly natural-born players, were reputedly dubbed "the shot-putters" by an unnamed source in the French contingent"
Can we delete those sentences? The make up of no other team is discussed, and it seems rather silly to comment on the US team as if it was anything special. I don't think this is the proper article for that. Farkeld ( talk) 10:01, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
I am reassessing this articles GA status as part of the WP:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force/Sweeps process. Jezhotwells ( talk) 18:57, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Quick fail criteria assessment
No problems found when checking against quick fail criteria. Proceeding to substantive review. Jezhotwells ( talk) 19:01, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
I concur with this. if you look at the pages for the individual players, 10 were born in the US, 5 in Scotland, and 1 in the UK. Of the foreign-born players only 3 played overseas--and one of those did so after starting his career in the US. Also, almost all of the foreign born players came over to the US as youth. Glanville is not known for his neutrality. At the least, replacing "migrants" with "immigrants" would be preferable and more neutral. Kgilbert78 ( talk) 16:02, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
A few years ago, FIFA seem to have decided that the USA finished third and Yugoslavia fourth. Does anyone have the details of when and why this was done? first remember it in this press release for the 2006 World Cup giving full rankings for all previous World Cups. Was it just somebody updating the website who decided to fit a square peg into a round hole, or was there an official announcement, as there have been when, say, goals are reassigned or squad players awarded medals? It's not good enough for this and other articles simply to cite FIFA saying that USA were third and Yugoslavia fourth; an explanation for the discrepancy is required. jnestorius( talk) 10:29, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
There is no point in speculating about how much thought went into FIFA's decision to escalate this one factoid from a statistical footnote to the general website. Since it has their imprimatur, Wikipedia must abide. However, there is nothing to prevent us putting a footnote against references to this 3rd-4th statistic at the relevant mentions on Wikipedia, to explain the anomaly. jnestorius( talk) 12:23, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi Oldelpaso, I thought it better to leave some comments here rather than clutter up the main FAC. Hope they help:
Hope these help. The Rambling Man ( talk) 16:02, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
For example, why is Chile ranked above Brazil? Chile had more points from the group stage, but also played one extra game. Is this from some official FIFA source? Grover cleveland ( talk) 17:09, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps mentioning that Yugoslavia squad consisted only of Serbian players could be a useful addition to the Participants section. Prior to the World Cup Yugoslav national championships between 1926 and 1930 were all won by clubs from Croatia ( Građanski Zagreb, Hajduk Split and Concordia Zagreb) and players from those clubs were regularly included in Yugoslavia squads for the 1924 and 1928 Olympics as well as various international friendlies. However, due to political circumstances at the time of the January 6th Dictatorship (which lasted between 1929 and 1934), the Football Association of Yugoslavia moved its headquarters from Zagreb (where it had been originally founded in 1919) in Croatia to Yugoslavia's capital Belgrade in Serbia in May 1930, two months before the 1930 World Cup. In protest, Croatian clubs decided to boycott the national team and in response the Belgrade-based football federation sent a team which consisted of players from Serbian clubs (mostly based in or near Belgrade) plus three Serbian players who played in France. Therefore their win against Brazil was seen as a remarkable achievement at home as many players who had made the World Cup squad were seen as second string players. On the other hand, despite the fact that Croatian clubs had dominated Yugoslav football in the late 1920s, not a single Croat had appeared in the 1930 World Cup (and neither did the Slovenian Maksimilijan Mihelčić who was at the time the Yugoslav national team's first choice goalkeeper). If others agree with including something about this in the article, I could look up references to back this up. Timbouctou ( talk) 03:46, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
Am I right to think the tournament was not officially called the "World Cup" at the time, but rather the "World Championship"? It's common to use the name of a trophy as a metonym for the competition, but I think the official naming history is something like this:
Year | Tournament official name | Trophy official name |
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1930 | World Football Championship | World Cup |
1946 | World Football Championship | Coupe Jules Rimet |
1974 | FIFA World Cup | FIFA World Cup |
The posters and logos of tournaments are as follows:
Year | Poster Main title | Other titles |
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1930 | 1er Campeonato Mundial de Football | |
1934 | Campionato Mondiale di Calcio | Coppa del Mondo·Coupe du Monde·World's Cup·Weltmeistersschaft·Copa del Mundo |
1938 | Coupe du Monde | |
1950 | IV Campeonato Mundial de Futebol | Taça Jules Rimet |
1954 | Championnat du Monde De Football | |
1958 | Coupe Jules Rimet | |
1962 | Campeonato Mundial de Futbol / World Football Championship / Championnat Mondial de Football | Coupe Jules Rimet |
1966 | World Cup | |
1970 | IX football world championship | |
1974 | Fußball-Weltmeisterschaft 1974 / FIFA World Cup 1974 / Coupe du Monde de la FIFA 1974 / Copa Mondiale de la FIFA 1974 | |
1978 | XI Campeonato Mundial de Fútbol |
Of course I'm not suggesting the article should be moved to "1930 World football championship" or the like, but if the former official name was something other than "World Cup" then it ought to be given in the lede. jnestorius( talk) 16:23, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
Nop jnestorius, you can see the medals "Coupe du Monde" https://media.elobservador.com.uy/adjuntos/181/imagenes/007/478/0007478052.jpg Also in all argentine newspapers of that time are called Copa del Mundo or Mundial 181.29.116.218 ( talk) 21:13, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
WOuld it make sense to state in the attribute what country Laurent is from? I don't know who he is and had to look him up to see why he would be quoted there. COuld something like this be added "member of the French team" or was he the by chance the Captain and we could say, "Captain of French team"? Rhodesisland ( talk) 23:24, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Alaska didn't become a state until 1959. Grover cleveland ( talk) 06:49, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
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in which place did the first worldcup played? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.199.162.163 ( talk) 13:49, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
There have been a few edits recently about the third/fourth place issue, putting Yugoslavia third. This is a murky area, but all the points of view are explained and attributed in the Third and fourth place section. If changes are to occur anywhere, it should be in that section that it is done. In terms of the actual third and fourth positions in the infobox etc, if we are to separate the USA and Yugoslavia, it is FIFA's tournament, so it is their ranking that we use.
There is also a slow burning edit was as to the exact flag and name used for Yugoslavia. I suggest the editors involved discuss it here instead of just switching it back and forth. Oldelpaso ( talk) 20:17, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Bronze Medal from Montevideo proves that Yugoslavia was 3rd. Its real since sing on medal is written in Spanish and year is 1930. There isn't better evidence than this is real medal. Snake bgd 20:42, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Here is translation form the text form Newspaper: "Bronze Medal, unique in-house, is the legacy of Dr. Kosta and it testifies to the success of most of our football. This is proof that we were third, although most states for decades that we have completed the distribution of the seats, and Fifa's website today says: 3 place the United States, 4th Yugoslavia. So it was after all - 3rd Yugoslavia, 4th United States - and one of the explanations for such an order is that we lost in the semifinals of the World Cup and that is why we have the advantage over the Americans." Snake bgd 20:45, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Newspapers form 1930. On July 31 1930, page 9, title translated form Serbian (Uruguay is third time World champion; Yugoslavia takes third place). Also on August 1 1930, page 8, both national teams Yugoslavia and USA made deal, main title form newspaper is (Bloody clashes in Argentina over lost game), subtitle (Why we didn't play against USA). Snake bgd 21:29, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
The medals are evidence of what FIFA did in 1930. We are responsible for reporting the case as it is known in 2013. The truth in 2013 is that FIFA reports third place as having been credited uniquely to the US. We might individually believe that it is unreasonable of FIFA to have made such a conclusion 56 years after the event, but we cannot as encyclopaedic editors pretend that they did not. Kevin McE ( talk) 00:12, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
The "bronze" medals where given to all the captains of the NO finalist teams, look the Chile's captain one: https://i0.wp.com/magiccity.soccer/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/1930-medal.png (Was the captain of the first 2 matches, don't play on the last match) 181.29.116.218 ( talk) 21:27, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
The other issue mentioned by the OP is that of the flag. It seems counter-intuitive to represent the country by its naval flag in a realm that clearly has no direct connection to maritime forces. I will restore the KoY flag, and ask that compelling reason for the naval flag be presented before any restoration of that variant.
Kevin McE (
talk) 18:37, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
The Uruguayan media was also impressed by the Peruvian performance. See [2]. The current structure of the paragraph places Peru in bad light, making it seem as if the Peruvians were happy to lose. The pride comes in the style and form of play shown by the Peruvian team, lauded both in Peru and Uruguay.-- MarshalN20 | Talk 00:54, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
Why is there used flag of Argentina without sun? It's not symbol of Argentina. Actual flag of Argentina was used before 1930 World Cup Aight 2009 ( talk) 20:02, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
Can someone add Yugoslavia to the participant map? 1.126.255.253 ( talk) 02:23, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
I see both the reports and goalscoring data is missed from the main page, remaining only in the groups' articles. I think that info is too important for remaining hidden in another article, and it should be brought back. Besides, it's a bit incoherent to use different game-formats for the Group Phase and the Knockout Stages. Ipsumesse ( talk) 23:02, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Why was "not" played the Third Place Match? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.88.217.93 ( talk) 07:34, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Because this match was "not" established until 1934, for the only time in the history. Twillihero Grumicker ( Messages) 20:03, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
Is the fact that Bolivia's match versus Yugoslavia was the only one played by the Bolivians against non-South American opposition until 1972 not notable enough? 1982vdven ( talk) 17:05, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
First I would like to point out, that FIFA cannot be the ultimate source for everything. In numerous debates I was told that per Wikipedia:Identifying and using independent sources, the neutral, independent sources like newspapers can be better than what some organization has to say about itself on its webpage. So, why are we making exception here?
Second, the "proof" for USA 3rd place is Florie's medal, but Yugoslavia players got the exact same medal, seen here by Marjanović: http://sport.blic.rs/fudbal/svetski-fudbal/mocnici-vole-da-menjaju-fudbal-od-tirketa-i-mose-pa-do-mundijala-sa-48-reprezentacija/mtb6svt
Third: Yugoslavia has that other bronze medal that USA don't have, seen in many many sources:
Fourth, contemporary newspaper sources from 1930 indicate that Yugoslavia was third, that their anthem was played etc. and also explain why, there are also many, I'll put just one: http://digitalna.nb.rs/wb/NBS/novine/vreme/1930/08/01#page/7/mode/1up
So, there are no indications for USA third place except self published FIFA statements, that aren't supported by any relevant, contemporary or independent sources. Therefore I propose to put Yugoslavia in third place. Linhart ( talk) 10:41, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
All the captains of the non-finalist teams received "bronze" medals, not only those from the USA and Yugoslavia, as example the medal of the Chile's captain: https://i0.wp.com/magiccity.soccer/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/1930-medal.png 181.29.116.218 ( talk) 21:31, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
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This article fails criterion 2b of the featured article criteria: appropriate structure. There are too many one sentence/single paragraph sections. I can see that the structure matches that chosen for all FIFA World Cup articles, of which none except this one are featured articles. So, there is a decision to be made: keep the same structure here as the other articles and list the article for potential demotion, or change the structure of this article so that it is inconsistent with the others but consistent with the featured article criteria. Whether to change the other articles to match the featured structure is a decision that would need to be made across articles not just this one. DrKay ( talk) 15:52, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
The start time of the Yugoslavia v Brazil match was 14:45 (local), not 12:45 http://www.digitalna.nb.rs/wb/NBS/novine/vreme/1930/07/16#page/7/mode/1up Eu-football-info ( talk) 06:10, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
The Participating countries graphic is quite unclear what it is trying to represent the key references a number (including a very large 5-13 category) but no mention of what this is actually describing. I suggest it either needs to be removed, or updated to be more clear on what the numbers are supposed to represent. Fulner ( talk) 16:52, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
In the article there is no mention of Bulgaria, which was not among the 13 participating nations. But it may actually have been due to participate.
In a discussion in 2016, I said I personally wasn't aware of such a thing. However, today the official FIFA World Cup page on Facebook shared a poster of the 1930 World Cup that displays a total of 14 flags, including Bulgaria's.
This 2014 article by 24 chasa tells of the same poster. It says, among other things, that Bulgaria was one of the invited teams, but had to decline because the players couldn't get long enough leaves from work, and only then the invitation was instead given to Yugoslavia, which, boycotted by the Croats and composed only of players of two Belgrade clubs, went on to finish third, the best result in its history.
Although this implies that only one of Bulgaria and Yugoslavia was due to participate at any given time, a red-blue-white tricolour is depicted in the poster as well.
Meanwhile, the Bulgaria national football team article still has an unsourced section on the 1930 World Cup, which states, in its entirety, "Bulgaria's first qualification to a World Cup was for the first World Cup in 1930 in Uruguay. The national team had to cancel their entry due to flight delays caused by tropical storms and hurricanes on the Atlantic Ocean. Their original group stage opponents were set as Brazil, Yugoslavia and Bolivia."
I think that, if the credibility of such a thing can be established, Bulgaria should be mentioned as an invited non-participating team. -- Theurgist ( talk) 23:13, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
Shouldn't the flag of Yugoslavia in the infobox be changed? This was in 1930, before the communist government which pushed in the flag with the red star in the middle. It's kind of a minor thing, and I was going to change it myself, but it said to discuss this on the talk page. Fernsong ( talk) 23:26, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
Assessing as part of the ongoing FA sweeps at WP:URFA/2020. This article contains uncited statements, and uses a self-published source in a few spots (I've tagged the self-published spots). With these sourcing issues, this article currently does not meet WP:FACR and may require a featured article review. Hog Farm Talk 22:42, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
I have doubts that Egypt has lost the boat or even that it is registered in the championship, I have never been able to find any document or newspaper of the time that supports it, I think that this should be eliminated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eduardo5890 ( talk • contribs) 06:08, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
https://koraapedia.com/%d9%85%d8%b5%d8%b1-%d9%81%d9%8a-%d8%aa%d8%b5%d9%81%d9%8a%d8%a7%d8%aa-%d8%a7%d9%84%d9%85%d9%88%d9%86%d8%af%d9%8a%d8%a7%d9%84-%d8%ac1/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eduardo5890 ( talk • contribs) 20:21, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
The USA didn’t win. Uruguay did. Somedev123Gtg ( talk) 12:33, 16 April 2023 (UTC)