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A few sources seem to call it a predecessor to the T formation and single wing, but I don't find any great source. Help is appreciated. Cake ( talk) 16:39, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
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1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. | The lead discusses the team's place in history, but this information isn't discussed in the article itself (perhaps in a "Legacy" section?) Also, there's a discussion of the "jump shift" which appears nowhere else in the article. | |
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Review in progress. I've also flagged an issue with the Wake Forest section on the talk page which will need to be resolved. Mackensen (talk) 17:39, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for your quick attention on everything; this has been an interesting review for me. You've won me over completely on lineups--I hadn't considered how important they were in this era. Once you've finished your review I'll go through the sources again and then hopefully we can resolve 2b. After that it's just images, which won't take long. This is looking really, really good. Mackensen (talk) 23:39, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
Passing now. Thank you for all your hard work on this. All the best, Mackensen (talk) 05:06, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
All the sources I've read so far place the Wake Forest game on the same day as the Furman game, not the day after. Mackensen (talk) 17:37, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
The 1918 Blue Print yearbrook lists 18 lettermen. The only discrepancy between that list and the list in this article is that the Blue Print does not include Pup Phillips. The cited source is hard on the eyes, but it doesn't seem to mention lettermen. It was also published on November 4, 1917, but the football banquet (again, per the year book) took place on December 8. Mackensen (talk) 21:49, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
Is there a way to make it so when the table's header is colored (e. g. List of Florida Gators starting quarterbacks), the sorting arrows can still be seen? They seem to work if they were just visible. At this time GT was just gold and white, and it is difficult to read as is. Cake ( talk) 23:19, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
I tracked down the obituary and copied the language. However, I am still unsure whether it means to say "Strupper was deaf, and due to his deafness, he was acquainted with sign language, and so called the team's hand signals instead of the quarterback;" or "Strupper was deaf, and due to his deafness, he could not hear the quarterback's spoken signals, and so he spoke them instead." Both were used, and though Heisman's story in the article gives credence to the latter view (shifts also usually require speaking (the rhythm for the shift of the Notre Dame Box goes "1-2 let's go" for Charlie Bachman), and Heisman is even credited with the invention of saying "hike" or "hep" or "hut" to signal snapping the ball), I can also show you Heisman saying Strupper couldn't enunciate well enough to be a quarterback. Cake ( talk) 12:07, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
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A few sources seem to call it a predecessor to the T formation and single wing, but I don't find any great source. Help is appreciated. Cake ( talk) 16:39, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
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Review in progress. I've also flagged an issue with the Wake Forest section on the talk page which will need to be resolved. Mackensen (talk) 17:39, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for your quick attention on everything; this has been an interesting review for me. You've won me over completely on lineups--I hadn't considered how important they were in this era. Once you've finished your review I'll go through the sources again and then hopefully we can resolve 2b. After that it's just images, which won't take long. This is looking really, really good. Mackensen (talk) 23:39, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
Passing now. Thank you for all your hard work on this. All the best, Mackensen (talk) 05:06, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
All the sources I've read so far place the Wake Forest game on the same day as the Furman game, not the day after. Mackensen (talk) 17:37, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
The 1918 Blue Print yearbrook lists 18 lettermen. The only discrepancy between that list and the list in this article is that the Blue Print does not include Pup Phillips. The cited source is hard on the eyes, but it doesn't seem to mention lettermen. It was also published on November 4, 1917, but the football banquet (again, per the year book) took place on December 8. Mackensen (talk) 21:49, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
Is there a way to make it so when the table's header is colored (e. g. List of Florida Gators starting quarterbacks), the sorting arrows can still be seen? They seem to work if they were just visible. At this time GT was just gold and white, and it is difficult to read as is. Cake ( talk) 23:19, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
I tracked down the obituary and copied the language. However, I am still unsure whether it means to say "Strupper was deaf, and due to his deafness, he was acquainted with sign language, and so called the team's hand signals instead of the quarterback;" or "Strupper was deaf, and due to his deafness, he could not hear the quarterback's spoken signals, and so he spoke them instead." Both were used, and though Heisman's story in the article gives credence to the latter view (shifts also usually require speaking (the rhythm for the shift of the Notre Dame Box goes "1-2 let's go" for Charlie Bachman), and Heisman is even credited with the invention of saying "hike" or "hep" or "hut" to signal snapping the ball), I can also show you Heisman saying Strupper couldn't enunciate well enough to be a quarterback. Cake ( talk) 12:07, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
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